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The Jonestown Massacre—25 years On

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The People's Temple has got to be one of the most sinister cults to have emerged in a civilised country.

The audio tape relaying the death throws of hundreds of cultists while Jones witters on above the din is seriously disturbing stuff.

What's always intrigued me is, is there anything to support the notion that Jones was done any with by a despairing member of his own cult, and did not in fact commit suicide? And if so, did he ever intend to follow "his people" to the grave, or was he happy to watch them all die before making good his escape?
 
IIRC there was a lot of forensic evidence at the scene which showed that quite a large number of the cultists there had been murdered, rather than simply offing themselves, I was under the impression that Jones was shot by persons unknown.

I've read around this but never directly researched it, so unfortunately I can't give you any decent references.

As a point of interest, Psychic TV made a LP using the recording of Jones' final speach

"It's so simple. There's no convulsions. It's just like stepping onto another plane..."

Cheery stuff.
 
From stuff I read involving the whole "Octopus" cabal deal, The Jonestown situation was actually controlled and monitored by the US government, as an excercise in mass manipulation.
There were alledgedly troops [possibly locals, or US Army Spec. Ops., or CIA] who mopped up any remaining survivors, which could account for the wildly varying death tolls that were announced shortly after the ordeal.
There was supposed to be evidence visible from aerial shots that could only be explained as bodies being dragged from the surrounding jungle and added to the piles, after the fact.

I used to know the Bass player from Psychic TV, or, ermm Temple of Psychic Youth. He filled my head with plenty of nonsense. I can't for the life of me remember his name now. He had moved to the town of Yarmouth, not too far from where I am from. As far as I know he is still there, although he could also be dead at this point, as he did like his opiates!

He did have a lot of opinions about the massacre though...


Trace Mann
 
I saw a special program that dealt with survivors (people who had escaped the cult before the suicide/murders) and it showed how the compund has been almost completely reclaimed by the woods.

I hadn't heard the bit about a government operation that was supposedly in charge of jonestown, but I remember being a kid and hearing about the footage of the senator who was shot down, then the slow unveiling of the footage of the dead over the compund. It's not quite as "real" to me as the Atlanta Child Murders (which we would have tv regularly interuppted by discovery of more bodies) but it made an impression.
 
A few years ago there was a good TV documentary on Jonestown, the most interesting thing that I hadn't heard before was that Jonestown was working out just fine while Jones himself wasn't there, then he fled the US after he got busted for hanging around a mens public toilet, and after that it all went downhill.
 
Here's more on the CIA angle.

From THE 70 GREATEST CONSPIRACIES OF ALL TIME:

On November 18, 1978, in a cleared-out patch of Guyanese jungle, the Reverend Jim Jones ordered the 911 members of his flock to kill themselves by drinking a cyanide potion, and they did.
The cultists were brainwashed by the megalomaniac Jones, who had named their jungle village after himself and held them as virtual slaves, if not living zombies. Jones himself was found dead. He'd shot himself in the head, or someone else had shot him. Square-jaw, jet black hair and sunglasses, looking like a secret service agent on antipsychotic drugs, Jones takes his place alongside Charles Manson in America's iconography of evil.

But was Jones really a lone madman as Americans are so often advised about their villains? Is it plausible that more than nine hundred people took their own lives willingly, simply because he told them to? Or is there another explanation?

Not long after the slaughter in Jonestown, whispers began--strange hints of human experiments in mind control, even genocide, and the lurking presence of the CIA. At the very least. these stories maintained, the U.S. government could have prevented the Jonestown massacre, but instead it did nothing. At worst, Jonestown was a CIA-run concentration camp set up as a dry run for the secret government's attempt to reprogram the American psyche. There are suggestions of parallel "Jonestowns" and that the conspiracy did not end with the deaths in Guyana.

Jim Jones was born May 13, 1931, son of a Ku Klux Klansman in Lynn, Indiana. His mother, he claimed, was a Cherokee Indian. That has never been verified.

An unsupervised child, Jones became fascinated by church work at an early age. By 1963 he had his own congregation in Indianapolis: The People's Temple Full Gospel Church. It was an interracial congregation, something then unheard of in Indiana. Young Jim Jones crusaded tirelessly on behalf of blacks. He also suffered from mysterious fainting spells, heeded advice from extraterrestrials, practiced faith healing, and experienced visions of nuclear holocaust.

Certain that Armageddon was imminent, that Indianapolis itself was to be the target of attack, Jones sought guidance. He found it in the January 1962 issue of Esquire magazine. An article in the occasionally ironic men's mag named the nine safest places in the world to get away from the stresses and anxieties of nuclear confrontation. One of those retreats was Brazil. Intimations of Jones's link to the CIA begin all the way back there.

According to an article in the San Jose Mercury News, Jones's neighbors in Belo Horizonte, Brazil (where he lived before moving to Rio De Janeiro), remembered his claim to be a retired navy man who "received a monthly payment from the U.S. government." They also remembered that Jones--who later claimed that he was forced to sell his services as a gigolo to support his family--"lived like a rich man."

"Some people here believed he was an agent for the American CIA," one neighbor reported.

Neighbors' recollections notwithstanding, Jones's biographer Tim Reiterman says that the Jones family "lived simply" in Brazil, subsisting on rice and beans. When he returned to the United States, shortly after President John F. Kennedy was assassinated, Jones told his followers that he had spent his time in Brazil helping orphans. Eventually, he moved his church to Ukiah, California, then to San Francisco, where it became a fundraising force courted by local politicians.

Before Jones arrived in Brazil, he'd stopped in Georgetown, Guyana. Though his stop there was a quick one, he managed to garner some ink in the local media by publicly charging churches with spreading communism. According to Reiterman, it appeared a calculated attempt to "put himself on the record as an anticommunist."

Fifteen years later, he would tantalize his Jonestown flock with promises to move the People's Temple from Guyana to the Soviet Union. In a 1979 book, one former Jones devotee, Phil Kerns (whose mother and sister died at Jonestown), raises the possibility of a Soviet conspiracy behind Jonestown.

"Jones was a Marxist," Kerns wrote, "who had numerous contacts with officials of both the Cuban and Soviet governments." Among other suspicious facts, Kerns notes that shortly before the massacre two People's Temple members spirited $500,000 out of the cult's colony to the Soviet embassy.

Jones's deputies did meet frequently with Soviet officials--so frequently, in fact, that they became a running joke in Guyana's diplomatic circles. Jones told his followers that the CIA had "infiltrated" Jonestown.

Later, as we'll see, others raised the possibility that Jonestown was the CIA.

The temple's dalliance with the Soviets, however, is a wholly plausible point of contact between the cult and the Agency. Reiterman, a skeptic of the conspiracy theory, points out that "the CIA's presence in socialist Guyana...could be assumed." They certainly would have taken an interest in the temple's Soviet contacts.

Why exactly was Jones interested in the Soviets? He must have known that his professed dream of moving the temple to the U.S.S.R. was only that, a dream. He dropped it quickly in favor of mass suicide (a follower asked Jones, shortly before the suicides, if it weren't possible to forget the whole thing and escape to Russia; Jones said it wasn't). If the CIA had infiltrated the temple, or if the temple was, even in part, a CIA operation, then members' sojourns to the Soviet embassy would have had a more pragmatic purpose.

The CIA was first with news out of Jonestown, reporting the mass suicides. The suicides followed an attack, ordered by Jones, on a party led by Congressman Leo Ryan, in Guyana to investigate alleged human rights abuses at Jonestown. The gunmen struck at Port Kaituma airfield, as the Ryan party was preparing to depart. Ryan was assassinated in the attack. Four others died as well. Several more were shot, including Reiterman, then a reporter for the San Francisco Examiner. Among the wounded was U.S. embassy official Richard Dwyer.

Wounded, but ambulatory.

Did Dwyer stroll back to Jonestown after the airstrip assault? Was he there during the massacre? At one point on a tape recorded as the killings began, Jones's own voice commands, "Get Dwyer out of here!" Reiterman assumes that this was a "mistake" on Jones's part, that Dwyer was not actually there. If he was, however, the implications are chilling.

Dwyer was an agent of the CIA.

For his part, Dwyer neither confirms nor denies that he was a CIA agent, but he was identified in the 1968 edition of Who's Who in the CIA. A month after the
massacre the San Mateo Times, a Bay Area newspaper (hometown paper of Leo Ryan), reported that "State Department officials acknowledge that a CIA agent was dispatched to Jonestown within minutes of the airstrip assault." Dwyer denied to the Times that he was there at the time. According to one report, Dwyer's next stop after Guyana was Grenada.

Nor was Dwyer necessarily the only intelligence-connected character in Guyana. The U.S. ambassador himself, John Burke, later went to work for the "intelligence community staff" of the CIA. Richard McCoy, another embassy official, has acknowledged his counterintelligence work for the U.S. Air Force. The socialist government of Guyana had piqued the interest of U.S. intelligence for years. If there were covert operations going on there, no one should be surprised.

Leo Ryan's aide Joseph Holsinger feared that the CIA might have been running a covert operation there so sinister it would shock even hardened CIA-watchdogs. In 1980 Holsinger, who'd already discovered Dwyer's presence at Jonestown, received a paper from a professor at U.C. Berkeley. Called "The Penal Colony," the paper detailed how the CIA's mind-control program, code-named MK-ULTRA, was not stopped in 1973, as the CIA had told Congress. Instead, the paper reported, it had merely been transferred out of public hospitals and prisons into the more secure confines of religious cults.

Jonestown, Holsinger believed, was one of those cults.

There were large amounts of psychoactive, i.e., mind-control, drugs found on the site of the suicides. Larry Layton, the Jones lieutenant who became the only person charged in any of the killings (he was in the airstrip hit team, and somehow survived the Jonestown massacre), was described as sinking into a "posthypnotic trance" as he sunk ever deeper under Jones's spell. Layton's own father called him "a robot."

Layton's brother-in-law, the man who arranged the lease on Jonestown with the Guyanese government for Jones, was reportedly a mercenary for the CIA-backed UNITA rebels in Angola. Layton's father, according to Holsinger, was the biochemist in charge of chemical warfare for the U.S. Army at its Dugway Proving Ground in Utah.

Jones himself, the supposed Soviet sympathizer, was once a fundraiser for Richard Nixon, around the same time Jones declared himself the reincarnation of both Jesus and Lenin.

Then there was the problem of the bodies. The Jonestown body count jumped by about four hundred within two days after the suicides, leading to speculation that escapees may have been hunted down and killed. In any case, Guyanese coroner Leslie Mootoo testified that as many as seven hundred of the dead appeared to have been forcibly killed, not "suicides" at all.

"I believe that it is possible that Jonestown may have been a mind-control experiment," Holsinger said in a 1980 lecture, "that Leo Ryan's congressional visit pierced that veil and would have resulted in its exposure, and that our government, or its agent the CIA, deemed it necessary to wipe out over nine hundred American citizens to protect the secrecy of the operation. "

The "operation," if there was one, may have continued after the suicides. There have been attempts to repopulate Jonestown with Dominican and Indochinese refugees, backed by the Billy Graham organization. There was a Jonestown doppelganger in Guyana even while Jones was still in business. Self-styled "Rabbi" David Hill, with his eight thousand-member Nation of Israel cult, was powerful enough to earn the nickname "vice prime minister" in his travels through the country.

One final, weird note: A memo that allegedly passed between Jones and People's Temple lawyer Mark Lane (who escaped the massacre) showed the two pondering the relocation of Grace Walden to Jonestown. Walden was a key witness to the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. Lane represented King's accused assassin, James Earl Ray. When the memo turned up, Lane denied that he had discussed moving Walden. (He claims that the memo was part of an "army intelligence coverup" of the King assassination, ostensibly an attempt to discredit him and, through him, Walden.) Most of the People's Temple rank-and-file were black. Most of the leadership was white. Joyce Shaw, a former member, once mused that the mass suicide story was a coverup for "some kind of horrible government experiments, or some sort of sick, racist thing. . . a plan like the Germans' to exterminate blacks."

In 1980, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence announced that there was "no evidence" of CIA involvement at Jonestown.
 
Another grisly reminder of the tragedy.

Jonestown cult member remains found in Delaware

The cremated remains of nine victims of the 1978 mass cult suicide in Jonestown, Guyana, have turned up in a former funeral home in Delaware.

The ashes were discovered in the city of Dover when officials inspected a lot of more than 30 small containers.

Investigators said they did not know why the remains had remained unclaimed.

More than 900 members of the Peoples Temple died when their leader Jim Jones ordered them to take cyanide.

Officials from the Delaware Division of Forensic Science have taken possession of the remains which were discovered at the former Minus Funeral Home in Dover.

"We don't know why they were unclaimed," a spokeswoman with the state Department of Safety and Homeland Security, Kimberly Chandler, told the delawareonline news site.

"What we intend to do is identify family members, reach out to them and make them aware that the remains are available to them."

James Warren "Jim" Jones began his cult, the Peoples Temple, in his native state of Indiana in the 1950s.

In the early 1970s, he moved to San Francisco where he established a free health clinic and drug rehabilitation programme, attracting hundreds of followers.

He became a powerful figure in local politics but allegations of abuse within his cult led him and his followers to relocate to a new home cut from the jungle in the South American country of Guyana in 1977.

Jim Jones faced allegations of abuse within his Peoples Tree cult
On 18 November 1978, his followers shot and killed members of a fact-finding group led by US Congressman Leo Ryan, who had travelled to Guyana to investigate reports of abuse.

The same day, Jones ordered his followers to drink a cyanide-laced grape-flavoured punch. ...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28699128
 
The Leonardo DiCaprio-produced documentary on Jonestown started on BBC 4 tonight. Second part (the really grisly stuff) tomorrow at 9pm. Nothing really new in its information, but interesting to hear from the survivors and Jim Jones' family members. He promised hundreds of people a socialist utopia. He gave them death. There's lots of audio clips of his sermons and loudspeaker proclamations, and his voice sounds absolutely horrible.

Anyway, uncomfortably compelling if you can take it. Oh, and he was a faith healer too. Convinced a lot of people he had God-given powers. But it was all a deception, like the assassination attempt.
 
The Leonardo DiCaprio-produced documentary on Jonestown started on BBC 4 tonight. Second part (the really grisly stuff) tomorrow at 9pm. Nothing really new in its information, but interesting to hear from the survivors and Jim Jones' family members. He promised hundreds of people a socialist utopia. He gave them death. There's lots of audio clips of his sermons and loudspeaker proclamations, and his voice sounds absolutely horrible. Anyway, uncomfortably compelling if you can take it. Oh, and he was a faith healer too. Convinced a lot of people he had God-given powers. But it was all a deception, like the assassination attempt.
There are a lot of conspiracy theories about Jim Jones and Jonestown: link
Most linking events to the CIA and to MKUltra
 
I was just thinking there must be an MKultra link somewhere.
Yeah, what is unclear is exactly what the role of the CIA operatives in Jonestown actually was. Were they infiltrators or in charge of the operation? The more you dig, the more you find disturbing links between South American fascism and the CIA, anti-Cuba ops, drug experiments and other murk. There was a book written in the USSR about Jonestown that you can follow in the wiki link should it interest you. Jonestown could well have been a CIA black site.
 
As far as I can tell from the doc (so far), the authorities considered Jones more dangerous than useful, and he liked to play up his self-invented outlaw status to attract the disenfranchised. I don't think he needed any help from the CIA for his crimes.
 
Yeah, just watched the second part. If there's a grimmer documentary on this year, I don't think I want to see it. But as for the conspiracy, it touched on it, and there are unanswered questions (like what did the Russians have to do with it and what was in those suitcases Jones tried to smuggle out of the massacre to them?), but in the main you had a megalomaniac backed into a corner by both the law and his mania, so he took the worst possible course of action to get out of the situation.

The eyewitness testimony from the handful of survivors strongly indicate that no matter what Jones' paranoia said about the CIA, the fault lay with him and his most fervent cult followers. And what a fault it was.
 
Yeah, just watched the second part. If there's a grimmer documentary on this year, I don't think I want to see it. But as for the conspiracy, it touched on it, and there are unanswered questions (like what did the Russians have to do with it and what was in those suitcases Jones tried to smuggle out of the massacre to them?), but in the main you had a megalomaniac backed into a corner by both the law and his mania, so he took the worst possible course of action to get out of the situation.

The eyewitness testimony from the handful of survivors strongly indicate that no matter what Jones' paranoia said about the CIA, the fault lay with him and his most fervent cult followers. And what a fault it was.

According to the man whose job it was to drive them to the nearest Russian embassy, they were stuffed with dollar bills. It was a fascinating documentary well worth a watch. Many grim details I wasn't aware of & much of it on film or tape from the time.
 
That tape, I can't imagine how bad it must have been for officials to have to listen to the whole thing, a few seconds of those screams were chilling enough.
 
As far as I can tell from the doc (so far), the authorities considered Jones more dangerous than useful, and he liked to play up his self-invented outlaw status to attract the disenfranchised. I don't think he needed any help from the CIA for his crimes.
Okay, then why were there so many CIA operative in his security detail controlling the camp? I believe there were about 4 at least.
 
Okay, then why were there so many CIA operative in his security detail controlling the camp? I believe there were about 4 at least.

I can't tell you, all I know is what I've seen in documentaries and read in articles.
 
I can't tell you, all I know is what I've seen in documentaries and read in articles.
Take this article with a grain of salt or two, it discusses the CIA's involvement with World Vision and Jonestown: (link)
 
Take this article with a grain of salt or two, it discusses the CIA's involvement with World Vision and Jonestown: (link)

Thanks for that - reminds me of the time I used to read up about conspiracy theories, but you eventually realise you're chasing your tail with details that may be completely random or only coincidentally related. I note it says Jonestown is being repopulated: the doc on TV showed the place as it is now, overgrown and abandoned, so that claim looks to be false.

I have no doubt the CIA took an interest, but for all their sins it doesn't take the intelligence agency to persuade an already drug-addled and hopelessly paranoid megalomaniac who has just twigged he's made a terrible mistake he can't come back from, from taking drastic action. If he had had any sense of decency he would just have ended his own life, but he felt the despicable need to take almost a thousand people with him.
 
I note it says Jonestown is being repopulated: the doc on TV showed the place as it is now, overgrown and abandoned, so that claim looks to be false.
This article covers part of the story of what happened to Jonestown after the mass suicide: link
 
Thanks, but it says I have to subscribe to read it!
 
Thanks, but it says I have to subscribe to read it!
FFS really? I didn't have to subscribe to read it. Sry for the inconvenience GNC, idk what's up with that.
 
FFS really? I didn't have to subscribe to read it. Sry for the inconvenience GNC, idk what's up with that.

That's OK! I'm a bit Jonestowned out after the 3hr doc this week, anyway!
 
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