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Nessie the Elephant

Nessie the elephant?
By David Lister

Palaeontologist 'solves' the riddle of Loch Ness


SHE has been described as everything from a wave on the surface of Britain’s most famous loch to an overweight eel or a misdirected sturgeon; but after years of conflicting eyewitness accounts, fuzzy black and white photographs and appalling amateur hoaxes, one of Britain’s leading palaeontologists claims that he has finally solved the riddle of the Loch Ness monster.
According to Neil Clark, curator of palaeontology at Glasgow University’s Hunterian Museum, unexplained sightings of a monster in the loch could, in fact, be of an elephant.

Dr Clark, who spent two years investigating the myth, suggested yesterday that the idea for Nessie was dreamt up as a “magnificent piece of marketing” by a circus impresario after he saw one of his elephants bathing in the loch.

In 1933, the same year as the first modern “sighting” of Nessie, Bertram Mills offered £20,000 — £1 million in today’s money — to anyone who could capture the monster for his circus at Olympia, London, sparking international interest.

Mr Clark, who made a name for himself by discovering a 165 million-year-old dinosaur footprint on the Isle of Skye in 2004, said that the legend of the Loch Ness monster was “largely a product of the 20th century”.

He said: “Most sightings occurred after 1933, when the A82 trunk road was completed along the west of Loch Ness. All we have are eyewitness accounts, fuzzy photographs, distant video footage and proven hoaxes.

“Most can be explained by floating logs or waves, but there are a number of unexplained sightings of a creature — elephant grey, with a long neck and humped back — particularly from 1933.

“My research suggests that these were elephants belonging to circuses. Circus fairs visiting Inverness stopped on the banks of Loch Ness to allow their animals to rest.

“When their elephants were allowed to swim in the loch, only the trunk and two humps could be seen: the first hump being the top of the head and the second being the back of the animal.

“The resulting impression would be of an animal with a long neck and two humps — perhaps more if there were more than one elephant in the water. It is not suprising Bertram Mills offered a £20,000 reward to anyone who could capture the monster for his circus. He already had the Loch Ness monster in his circus.”

Dr Clark’s findings are published in March’s Open University Geological Society journal this month. Nessie fans appear unimpressed by the latest attempts to debunk their myth: there were four sightings in 2005 alone.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2072067,00.html
 
Interesting theory, but can all the anomalous or "elephant" sightings be connected to a visiting circus?

Someone ought to have the resources to do this. If we want to take it seriously.

Maybe there's actually a colony of Alien Big Pachyderms in the highlands?
 
Oi! This is Scotland, not Greenland, cheeky! It's not like Inverness is some icy wilderness (well, maybe on a wet Sunday afternoon in November).

Anyway, who's to say it's not an aquatic Mammoth?
 
I have a postcard showing elephants bathing in the sea at Aberystwyth - a photograph captioned "Mixed Bathing at Aberystwyth". They're not in deep enough to judge any Nessie-type appearance, though.
 
Some pics:
bbc.co.uk/nature/reallywild/ ... ant2.shtml
Link dead; no archived version found.


http://www.clappers-inc.com/africa/wild ... ntswim.htm

tinyurl.com/m4wex
Link dead; no archived version found.


Video here
Link dead; website withdrawn for lack of funding.


Other links
http://www.upali.ch/swim_en.html

nkyviews.com/boone/text/boon ... phants.htm
Link dead; archived summary accessible via the Wayback Machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/2008070....com/boone/text/boone_txt_pburg_elephants.htm



And a joke:
Elephants swimming in a pond.

Question: There are 10 elephants swimming in a pond. A boy jumps inside and swims underneath them and counts the number of legs.There are only 36 legs.HOW??

Answer: One elephant was swimming BACKSTROKE!!hahahahahaha!!

[Emp edit: Fixing big link]
 
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I think it's a really cool theory :)

It can't account for all the sightings of course but then not every sighting even agrees on Nessie being the same shape ;)

I'm not to sure of the evidence that circus elephants were given free reign to go swimming off in such a large and deep expanse of water or Weather that is just conjecture on his part that they may have, but if there's real evidence it happened frequently and the elephants were allowed far from their trainers then it sounds like it could explain quite a few of the 30's sightings and the reason there was such a rash of sightings then.

however the reason for the increased sightings could simply have been that the new road meant more people would see the loch and more potential witnesses as the crowds flocked there.
 
In 1933, the same year as the first modern “sighting” of Nessie, Bertram Mills offered £20,000 — £1 million in today’s money — to anyone who could capture the monster for his circus at Olympia, London, sparking international interest.
I don't think I've heard this 'circus' angle before (although elephants have been consdered as explanations of Nessie before (probably on this very thread!))

So, let the research begin!

When and where did Bertram Mills Circus tour in the 30s?
 
Loren Coleman Says:
March 6th, 2006 at 5:18 am
The photo referenced on my posting about this was from Sri Lanka, was of an elephant swimming in water there, was carried in Fortean Times, and directly related to theories being floated about at the time that Lake Monsters such as Nessie could be swimming elephants.

It was as illogical to talk thirty years ago, as it is today, about swimming elephants in Loch Ness being mistaken for Monsters.

THIS IS NEW AT http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-repo ... ant-or-lm/ !! :D [/quote]
 
ruffready said:
Loren Coleman Says:
March 6th, 2006 at 5:18 am
It was as illogical to talk thirty years ago, as it is today, about swimming elephants in Loch Ness being mistaken for Monsters.

How is it illogical?

IMHO it's unwise to dismiss a possibility in such a fashion without some sort of justification (and I couldn't find any on the thread concerned).
 
I remember the Elephant Theory being around when I was a kid, more than thirty years ago. I remember other ideas; giant long-necked seals, giant squid with a tentacle extended, giant otters....
But this is the first time I have heard of a circus connection. Nice one.
 
Hmmmm

I distinctly remember an old Viz book I have knocking around at home with an article 'solving' the loch ness mystery as an elephant. In jest, of course.

It had a picture very similar to that in The Sun today, except that their elephant had webbed feet like a duck.

I wonder if anybody else has noticed the similarity in the articles, particularly anyone at Viz offices?
 
I've always thought this particular nessie pic looked exactly like an elephant trunk.

scotlandvacations.com/images/nessie.jpg
Link is dead. Here's the photo - salvaged from the Wayback Machine:


nessie.jpg
 
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The doc shiels nessie pic?

It's widly thought that Doc's nessie pics were 'art work' (if they are very nice they look too) however doc has never said anything about them being hoaxes in public....
 
Lol, I work at the same place as Dr. Clarke. Plenty of Phone calls over the last couple of days from News networks looking for a story - mainly American for some reason. Mind you, any good publicity is probably a good thing for the Hunterian at the moment. “Magnificent piece of marketing”. Took the words right out of my mouth!
:D

I don't know about his theory. he seems to casually diregard everything prior to 1933 which would be a little odd even if there didn't seem to be a large amount of it - Aren't there even land sightings from earlier dates than this? exactly how common were touring zoos? I grew up in the highlands and never even saw one.. :(
 
That is even worse of an explanation than the one about it being a leftover dinosaur [which makes a little sense].
So right, these elephants get into Loch Ness without being noticed and then swim far out whilst diving a bit and that happened more than once...Come on!!! :roll:
 
I disagree Dingo667.

The article doesn't seek to explain ALL Nessie sightings, only the category that fits the bill. And it's plain that SOME Nessie photos are indistinguishable from photos of a partially submerged Pachyderm.

Excellent detective work IMHO.
 
Some sightings could be explained by saying they were of elephants but without anything more than conjecture the theory is still in the same boat as theories like the dinosaur theory. It's not detective work its just a suggestion that may or may not hold water.

One could say that some sightings might look like an elephant swimming and come up with a theory to explain how and why elephants may have been there very easily but without any more evidence than hearsay or guesswork it's still a theory and not proving let alone solving anything.

If I wanted to make a suggestion that some sightings were of an octopus i could make up a picture and say that it was common practice for fishermen to dump octopi in the loch in the 1930s.

octoness.jpg


To some this would be compelling evidence that the loch ness monster was a big octopus and I just made that up in a few minutes and it's complete nonsense.

One could just as easily produce similar 'proof' that the loch ness monster was a Pokemon:

pikaness.jpg


Note also in that last pic the position of the 'hump' has changed to fit the theory.

It's best to consider theories in my opinion but never take every theory as fact purely on the basis of an explanation and a nice picture.
 
If it is documented fact that Bertram Mills offered a 'reward' in the 1930's for the capture of the 'monster', then this has to be considered as the probable start of the modern myth. Once the idea of a monster in Loch Ness had entered the public consciousness, the idea would tend to colour all subsequent sightings of anything odd in the Loch, however innocent in nature.

However, I haven't been able to find confirmation of this 'reward' on the web so far, but then again good information on the web is also sometimes a tricky beast to pin to down! (Probably the local Scottish papers of the time would be the best place to search.)
 
Mr. and Mrs. John Mackay saw a large animal on the surface of the water of loch Ness on the second of may 1933, and this was reported in the Inverness courier and was apparently the first of the modern sightings to be reported in the newspapers, from what I've read on the net (which could either be right or wrong of course) this sighting predates the reward offer by Bertram Mills who was probably, in my opinion, just trying to cash in on a bizarre news story to get free publicity for his circus. In the event that the monster was caught I dare say Mills would have gladly payed the £20,000 reward for it as he could have probably made 10 times as much exhibiting it or it's stuffed body all over the world.

Similar publicity grabbing attempts have recently been undertaken recently by Magic The Gathering playing cards (in conjunction with Loren Coleman), Bulletin magazines $1.25 reward for a live thylacine and golden palace internet casinos constant purchasing of every odd item that appears on eBay and the national press from virgin Mary toast to naming a monkey species.
 
Adrian Shine seems to think elephants might be a possile explanation for some sightings.

Adrian Shine, project leader for Loch Ness 2000, based at Drumnadrochit, has spent 30 years investigating the loch.

He said: "It is an interesting theory. If an elephant was seen swimming, it would certainly give rise to the image people have of the Loch Ness monster.

"The greatest concentration of sightings did happen in 1933 and 1934, when Bertram Mills' reward was on offer".
The Sunday Mail
 
oll_lewis said:
The doc shiels nessie pic?

It's widly thought that Doc's nessie pics were 'art work' (if they are very nice they look too) however doc has never said anything about them being hoaxes in public....

Doc Shiels has a rather - how shall we put it - "fluid" view of reality vs fiction when it comes to the invocation of cryto-beasts. I hardly think he'd use the word "hoax" but there's certainly no reason to accept these pictures, or anything else he produces, as the genuine article. I seem to remember some analysis was done that showed that waves can actually be seen through the Nessie, suggesting it is of the pasted-on-yay! variety.

Ghostly elephants in the Ness?


Btw, Oll, I love the pikachu as Nessie! I always knew the little bugger was up to something...
 
Kirsanov said:
I don't know about his theory. he seems to casually diregard everything prior to 1933 which would be a little odd even if there didn't seem to be a large amount of it - Aren't there even land sightings from earlier dates than this? exactly how common were touring zoos? I grew up in the highlands and never even saw one.. :(

And how often did the owners of these touring zoos allow their very valuable trained elephants to go swimming unattended in 23 miles worth of Loch?
 
Elephants? It's one of those occasional explanations of Fortean events that seems even less likely than the phenomenon it seeks to explain, isn't it?

Rather like the RSPCA bloke explaining the Cannock Chase crocodile sightings as carp swimming in formation :).

Nonethless, being Fortean, I don't discount it altogether. As Arthur pointed out earlier, it doesn't seek to explain all sightings, just some from roughly the same time.
 
of course speaking of Doc he was on the case long before the curent talk of out of place elephants with theorys that it could be a giant squid.

This is his imaginearing of what his photos shown earlier in this thread are of (from his biographical work, monstrum):

ESnessie1.jpg


Doc himself said of the loch ness monster that he'd seen and photographed the 'shagger' but didn't belived it existed, make of that what you will.
 
*Squints*

I may be wrong, but doesn't that hand-written note on the pic say "elephant squid"? Prophetic, no? Bet Dr Clarke didn't think of that one. :)

I tend to agree with Stu, in that this particular explanation seems almost as unlikely as the idea of an actual monster (or elephant squid). Also, I'm tempted to believe that Dr Clarke isn't actually very familiar with the common pattern of Nessie sighting beyond the popular public plesiosaur perception, if you'll excuse the alliteration. Most witness who see Nessie see it emerge from under the water, and then finally submerge and not appear on the surface again. The vast majority of witnesses would continue scanning the water for some time after a Nessie sighting, in the hope of seeing it surface again. An elephant swimming in the Loch is not going to go down and not come up again unless we're talking about mass elephant drownings here. In which case, Mills probably wanted the cash to recoup his losses.

And Rynner, Mills' offer came after the flurry of reported sighting that re-ignited the modern myth, not before. He was just jumping on the bandwagon (which was no doubt towed by a troupe of diving elephants).

Doc himself said of the loch ness monster that he'd seen and photographed the 'shagger' but didn't belived it existed, make of that what you will.

Without wish to be contentious, I'm afraid I make of it that his pictures are semi-convincing self-serving hoaxes. If he's a personal friend of yours, I apologise :lol:

Personally, I still think Pikachu did it.
 
Mule said
And Rynner, Mills' offer came after the flurry of reported sighting that re-ignited the modern myth, not before.
Did I claim otherwise?

Dr Clark, who spent two years investigating the myth, suggested yesterday that the idea for Nessie was dreamt up as a “magnificent piece of marketing” by a circus impresario after he saw one of his elephants bathing in the loch.

In 1933, the same year as the first modern “sighting” of Nessie, Bertram Mills offered £20,000 — £1 million in today’s money — to anyone who could capture the monster for his circus at Olympia, London, sparking international interest.

Mr Clark, who made a name for himself by discovering a 165 million-year-old dinosaur footprint on the Isle of Skye in 2004, said that the legend of the Loch Ness monster was “largely a product of the 20th century”.

He said: “Most sightings occurred after 1933, when the A82 trunk road was completed along the west of Loch Ness. All we have are eyewitness accounts, fuzzy photographs, distant video footage and proven hoaxes.

“Most can be explained by floating logs or waves, but there are a number of unexplained sightings of a creature — elephant grey, with a long neck and humped back — particularly from 1933.

My research suggests that these were elephants belonging to circuses. Circus fairs visiting Inverness stopped on the banks of Loch Ness to allow their animals to rest.

“When their elephants were allowed to swim in the loch, only the trunk and two humps could be seen: the first hump being the top of the head and the second being the back of the animal.


“The resulting impression would be of an animal with a long neck and two humps — perhaps more if there were more than one elephant in the water. It is not suprising Bertram Mills offered a £20,000 reward to anyone who could capture the monster for his circus. He already had the Loch Ness monster in his circus.”
So we have circus elephants bathing in the loch.
Some people report anomalous monsters (not realising what they really were seeing).
B. Mills, knowing elephants are the probable origin of these reports, sees a chance for a bit of cheap publicity.

Bingo![/quote]
 
Did I claim otherwise?

Actually, you did.

If it is documented fact that Bertram Mills offered a 'reward' in the 1930's for the capture of the 'monster', then this has to be considered as the probable start of the modern myth.

And yes, I had read the original article. My point was that reported Nessie behaviour doesn't seem to describe the behaviour of swimming elephants. I don't buy that valuable circus elephants, even if they were allowed in the water, were ever allowed to swim unsupervised hundreds of yards out into the middle of the loch, or that they had the means to submerge and not reappear (or for that matter, to appear from underwater onto the previously elephant-free surface).

I also see no evidence that Dr Clarke's research amounts to anything more than speculation, nor does it account for any sighting (and there have been plenty) of long necked Nessies after the early thirties. As such, it's not a satisfying explanation for the phenomenon. [/quote]
 
SmirnoffMule said:
Did I claim otherwise?

Actually, you did.

If it is documented fact that Bertram Mills offered a 'reward' in the 1930's for the capture of the 'monster', then this has to be considered as the probable start of the modern myth.
No no no! [Stamps foot.]

You said "Mills' offer came after the flurry of reported sighting that re-ignited the modern myth, not before", and this was what I was not disputing. (You left that part of the exchange out of your quote, you naughty Mule!)

When I said Mills' reward was the probable start of the modern myth, I meant that the massive publicity of it rapidly inflated what might otherwise have remained just a minor local curiosity.
 
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