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The MMR Vaccine & Its Alleged Risks

Amazon is effectively aiding the anti-vaxxers.

HOW AMAZON'S ALGORITHMS CURATED A DYSTOPIAN BOOKSTORE

AMONG THE BEST-SELLING books in Amazon’s Epidemiology category are several anti-vaccine tomes. One has a confident-looking doctor on the cover, but the author doesn’t have an MD—a quick Google search reveals that he’s a medical journalist with the “ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute.” Scrolling through a simple keyword search for “vaccine” in Amazon’s top-level Books section reveals anti-vax literature prominently marked as “#1 Best Seller” in categories ranging from Emergency Pediatrics to History of Medicine to Chemistry. The first pro-vaccine book appears 12th in the list. Bluntly named “Vaccines Did Not Cause Rachel’s Autism,” it’s the only pro-vaccine book on the first page of search results. Its author, the pediatrician Peter Hotez, a professor in the Departments of Pediatrics and Molecular Virology & Microbiology at the Baylor College of Medicine , has tweeted numerous times about the amount of abuse and Amazon review brigading that he’s had to fight since it was released.

Over in Amazon’s Oncology category, a book with a Best Seller label suggests juice as an alternative to chemotherapy. For the term “cancer” overall, coordinated review brigading appears to have ensured that “The Truth About Cancer,” a hodgepodge of claims about, among other things, government conspiracies, enjoys 1,684 reviews and front-page placement. A whopping 96 percent of the reviews are 5 stars—a measure that many Amazon customers use as a proxy for quality. However, a glance at Reviewmeta, a site that aims to help customers assess whether reviews are legitimate, suggests that over 1,000 may be suspicious in terms of time frame, language, and reviewer behavior. ...

https://www.wired.com/story/amazon-... NL 030519 (1)&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nl
 
I think the attached short TV report from earlier this year will be of considerable value to anyone genuinely interested in the MMR/Autism link.
Interestingly it touches on the “regressive” element in the way Autism presents in some children as I mentioned in my first post on this topic. (This was noticed by myself and other parents of Autistic children, but seemingly completely missed and/or ignored by the “specialists” at the time)
It also reports on recent (or recently revealed) findings from the US which concur closely with the earlier findings of Paul Shattock in his research at the University of Sunderland in the UK, as mentioned in my second post on this topic.
It also gives a rare glimpse of the types of behaviour which parents of severely Autistic people will recognise (and cope with on a daily basis) but which the media generally seem very reluctant to reflect.
Please let me know what you think.

 
Another outbreak.

Measles is no joke. Anti-vaxxers are dangerously inviting infectious disease back into our society.
NBC:
In the Washington county that is home to one of the nation’s largest measles outbreaks, the effects go far beyond the 71 confirmed cases.​

The Seattle Times reports over 800 students considered exposed to the highly contagious disease in Clark County have been ordered to stay away from classrooms for up to three weeks, disrupting their education.
Since January, field trips, after-school activities and an assembly honoring Martin Luther King Jr. have been canceled or postponed. Some students are doing homework off prepared handouts; others are using school-issued laptops to keep up.​
https://boingboing.net/2019/03/07/measles-outbreak-sends-800-was.html
 
FB promises to fight the anti-vaxxers.

Following backlash over misinformation on its platform, Facebook said Thursday that it will roll out a new plan to help fight the spreading of anti-vaccination conspiracy theories.

“We are working to tackle vaccine misinformation on Facebook by reducing its distribution and providing people with authoritative information on the topic,” Monika Bickert, vice president of Facebook global policy management, wrote in a company blog post.

Bickert said the platform plans to combat anti-vaxxers by lowering the ranking of groups and pages that spread vaccine misinformation on people’s news feed. Facebook will also reject advertisements that include anti-vaccine information and remove targeting options such as “vaccine controversies.” The company won’t display or recommend vaccine misinformation on search and hashtag pages on Instagram, which it owns.

“Leading global health organizations, such as the World Health Organization [WHO] and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention [CDC], have publicly identified verifiable vaccine hoaxes,” Bickert wrote in the blog. “If these vaccine hoaxes appear on Facebook, we will take action against them.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/face...cid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__030819
 
ramonmercado said:
Another outbreak.

Measles is no joke. Anti-vaxxers are dangerously inviting infectious disease back into our society.
NBC:
In the Washington county that is home to one of the nation’s largest measles outbreaks, the effects go far beyond the 71 confirmed cases.​
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The Seattle Times reports over 800 students considered exposed to the highly contagious disease in Clark County have been ordered to stay away from classrooms for up to three weeks, disrupting their education.​
Since January, field trips, after-school activities and an assembly honoring Martin Luther King Jr. have been canceled or postponed. Some students are doing homework off prepared handouts; others are using school-issued laptops to keep up.​
https://boingboing.net/2019/03/07/measles-outbreak-sends-800-was.html
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Read that article in the latest FT only last night.
Sincerely hope none of the imams who have declared the vaccinations to be "haram" are preaching their bullshit in the UK.
 
Positive developments in Italy.

Italian children have been told not to turn up to school unless they can prove they have been properly vaccinated.

The deadline follows months of national debate over compulsory vaccination. Parents risk being fined up to €500 (£425; $560) if they send their unvaccinated children to school. Children under six can be turned away. The new law came amid a surge in measles cases - but Italian officials say vaccination rates have improved since it was introduced.

Under Italy's so-called Lorenzin law - named after the former health minister who introduced it - children must receive a range of mandatory immunisations before attending school. They include vaccinations for chickenpox, polio, measles, mumps, and rubella. Children up to the age of six years will be excluded from nursery and kindergarten without proof of vaccination under the new rules. Those aged between six and 16 cannot be banned from attending school, but their parents face fines if they do not complete the mandatory course of immunisations.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47536981
 
There's an outbreak of mumps at the eldest Coalette's uni...
 
blessmycottonsocks said:
Sincerely hope none of the imams who have declared the vaccinations to be "haram" are preaching their bullshit in the UK.
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“A leading Islamic doctor is urging British Muslims not to vaccinate their children against diseases such as measles, mumps, and rubella because they contain substances making them unlawful for Muslims to take.

Dr Katme, an NHS psychiatrist, said: "If you breastfeed your child for two years - as the Koran says - and you eat Koranic food like olives and black seed, and you do ablution each time you pray, then you will have a strong defence system." “

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...to-refuse-un-islamic-vaccinations-434027.html

“Thousands of Muslim children not being vaccinated against the flu after Kirklees imams reject NHS nasal spray.”

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/thousands-muslim-children-not-being-8000201

maximus otter
 
maximus otter said:
“A leading Islamic doctor is urging British Muslims not to vaccinate their children against diseases such as measles, mumps, and rubella because they contain substances making them unlawful for Muslims to take.
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this is just awful. Stupid stupid stupid.

And yes, I follow the food restrictions of my faith. I just don't believe:

*that god wants me to challenge him over "I'm following all the rules so you have to screw up your natural laws and make a miracle just for me"

* that god wants me to ignore the brains and science facilitated by god's structures and gifts when they are so obviously "good"

* that god wants me to die of something I can stop

*that god will not understand if I mess up to nobody's harm but my own by believing the first three points above.

The thing about the vaccine rejecters (not people who have good reasons) that upsets me so much is that it's not directly themselves they do harm too. It's the harmless*, blameless* wee things they have in their care :(

Edit to add: thought so. Just checked with 2 muslim friends and the results are "man, he's a tit" and "wtf, run away run away!"


*relatively speaking ;)
 
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ramonmercado is absolutely right to point out that alarming measles outbreaks are becoming more prevalent and it hardly needs saying that “measles is no joke”, I would be surprised if anyone on this forum would consiser it to be a joke, please correct me if I am wrong in this assumption.
It also seems logical to conclude that a drop in the uptake of vaccinations is a very significant factor in these worrying trends, and it is absolutely proper that the media report this, this is an issue which is far too important for complacency.
In terms of the topic of this forum, my understanding is that we are attempting to discuss a very specific combination vaccine and its alleged negative effects (the original post mentioned autism specifically) not vaccines in general and I’m not clear on how so called “Anti-vaxxers” are relevant to this discussion, I’m certainly not anti-vaccine, as would be obvious to anyone who has read my posts and I’m not aware that anyone on this thread has expressed opposition to vaccinations generally. Neither would I post material which promoted this point of view (ie the linked report sourced from mainstream US television) I would invite anyone (mods included preferably!) to view it and decide for themselves. However, it is important that individuals can investigate vaccine safety without being called “anti-vaxxers", we wouldn’t call individuals who investigate automobile safety or aircraft safety anti- car or anti-aviation would we?..... How silly would that be?

Some interesting and illuminating comments however, excellent material for illustrative/study purposes too......... students will have a field day! good to know that people aren’t apathetic, free resources! much appreciated!

Fort would surely recognise the diligent avoidance of engaging with “damned data” (aka inconvenient yet verifiable facts) on all sides of this debate.

Ah Charles, the curse of being an independent thinker! (with hindsight more of a blessing)

:)
 
Fairlight said:
ramonmercado is absolutely right to point out that alarming measles outbreaks are becoming more prevalent and it hardly needs saying that “measles is no joke”, I would be surprised if anyone on this forum would consiser it to be a joke, please correct me if I am wrong in this assumption.
It also seems logical to conclude that a drop in the uptake of vaccinations is a very significant factor in these worrying trends, and it is absolutely proper that the media report this, this is an issue which is far too important for complacency.
In terms of the topic of this forum, my understanding is that we are attempting to discuss a very specific combination vaccine and its alleged negative effects (the original post mentioned autism specifically) not vaccines in general and I’m not clear on how so called “Anti-vaxxers” are relevant to this discussion, I’m certainly not anti-vaccine, as would be obvious to anyone who has read my posts and I’m not aware that anyone on this thread has expressed opposition to vaccinations generally. Neither would I post material which promoted this point of view (ie the linked report sourced from mainstream US television) I would invite anyone (mods included preferably!) to view it and decide for themselves. However, it is important that individuals can investigate vaccine safety without being called “anti-vaxxers", we wouldn’t call individuals who investigate automobile safety or aircraft safety anti- car or anti-aviation would we?..... How silly would that be?

Some interesting and illuminating comments however, excellent material for illustrative/study purposes too......... students will have a field day! good to know that people aren’t apathetic, free resources! much appreciated!

Fort would surely recognise the diligent avoidance of engaging with “damned data” (aka inconvenient yet verifiable facts) on all sides of this debate.

Ah Charles, the curse of being an independent thinker! (with hindsight more of a blessing)

:)
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If you look at the contexts and posts in which the term "antivaxxers" is used here perhaps you will see that it is not used lightly.

"Antivaxxers" spread lies about the effects of the vaccines under discussion. That is very illustrated in the posts above. Their lies result in deaths, this is not just a philosophical discussion.
 
There are some crazy anti-vaxxers in prominent positions.

Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin (R) intentionally exposed his nine children to chickenpox instead of vaccinating them against the disease, he said in a radio interview on Tuesday.

“Every single one of my kids had the chickenpox,” Bevin told WKCT, a Bowling Green talk radio station, according to The Louisville Courier-Journal. “They got the chickenpox on purpose because we found a neighbor that had it and I went and made sure every one of my kids was exposed to it, and they got it. They had it as children. They were miserable for a few days, and they all turned out fine.”

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention strongly warns against exposing children to chickenpox as a way of immunizing them.

The CDC states on its website:
Chickenpox can be serious and can lead to severe complications and death, even in healthy children. There is no way to tell in advance how severe your child’s symptoms will be. So it is not worth taking the chance of exposing your child to someone with the disease. The best way to protect infants and children against chickenpox is to get them vaccinated.​
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kent...cid=newsltushpmgnews__TheMorningEmail__032119
 
Sounds like he's getting chickenpox mixed up with rubella.
 
ramonmercado said:
“Every single one of my kids had the chickenpox,” Bevin told WKCT, a Bowling Green talk radio station, according to The Louisville Courier-Journal. “They got the chickenpox on purpose because we found a neighbor that had it and I went and made sure every one of my kids was exposed to it, and they got it. They had it as children. They were miserable for a few days, and they all turned out fine.”
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Parents used to do that with mumps before there was a vaccination against it.

They'd hold 'mumps parties' to expose children to it in the hope that their children would catch it. The idea was to avoid their contracting it after puberty and risking sterility, while also hoping to avoid the possible complications of potentially-fatal or disabling meningitis or encephalitis.
 
escargot said:
Parents used to do that with mumps before there was a vaccination against it.

They'd hold 'mumps parties' to expose children to it in the hope that their children would catch it. The idea was to avoid their contracting it after puberty and risking sterility, while also hoping to avoid the possible complications of potentially-fatal or disabling meningitis or encephalitis.
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My sister got mumps, but I didn't. We were both very young at the time.
My Mum made my sister suck on a rusk and then she gave it to me to chew on, so I'd catch mumps. Nope. Nada. Nothing.
I still haven't had mumps.
 
Shady said:
I dont want to edit, but the MMR, was that the one at school, you got one in the shoulder and the other on your wrist with about six lil needle holes?.
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Sorry if this has already been answered. I thought that the six holes scar was from the smallpox vaccine (also referred to as BCG, though I don't know what it means), which apparently hasn't been done since early 70's because it'd been eradicated world wide. Which is scary in itself as, if smallpox were to show up today, no one has been vaccinated and those of us who had been probably have no immunity to it either.
 
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Mythopoeika said:
My sister got mumps, but I didn't. We were both very young at the time.
My Mum made my sister suck on a rusk and then she gave it to me to chew on, so I'd catch mumps. Nope. Nada. Nothing.
I still haven't had mumps.
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Lucky you. 4 of 5 of us had them within weeks of each other (my poor mom). My brother got over having them on one side of his jaw, to get them on the other side.
 
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