The Nanny State: Ideological Policing & Internet Censorship

Megadeth1977

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You're not wrong, parents have a duty and responsibility to keep their children away from such things.

Having said that, as a society we ought to protect the vulnerable, at least at this kind of level, and that ought to extend to children who's parents don't give a stuff.

I'm not in favour of 'Page 3 Stunners' in newspapers. It's hardly reasonable to continue with something which many women are not comfortable with - but by all means if someone wants to look, they can buy a magazine (with ID).
Lol have you asked all of these women.I highly doubt it and it's really annoys me when someone thinks they speak for everyone else and people can and should be allowed to think for themselves.
 

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@Megadeth1977 perhaps before you lol and attempt sarcastic comments you should re-read the post.

It says

something which many women are not comfortable with
No attempt to speak for all women, not an unreasonable statement.

It really annoys me when someone doesn't bother to read and understand things, especially when they have been written eloquently and with care.

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The latest round of censorship on Social Media is a threat to all sides.

Silencing the right will be followed by silencing the left

Yassamine Mather looks behind the social media bans imposed in the name of ‘democracy’

... It so happened that it was the very next day that Facebook banned a host of far-right individuals and organisations in the UK, accusing them of “spreading hate”. The list included Facebook and Instagram pages associated with the British National Party, the English Defence League, the National Front, Britain First and the militant Christian group, Knights Templar International. Nick Griffin, former leader of the British National Party, and Jack Renshaw, a far-right activist jailed in June for plotting to murder Labour MP Rosie Cooper, were also banned.

Many on the left rushed to celebrate these bans, but clearly such a reaction is ill-considered. Leave aside the fact that many associated with the current US administration have close relations with British and European far-right groups. For instance, Trump’s former advisor, Steve Bannon, has invited Marine Le Pen’s far-right party to join his populist project.2 And last year The Guardian commented that Bannon was visiting Europe to encourage a “national populist revolt”.3

However, the point is that the UK ban represents a dangerous attack on freedom of expression by the ‘moderators’ of social media groups working with the British government. The fact that at this time it is the right that has been targeted is irrelevant. Jacob Rees-Mogg pointed out that it is not just the far right which has been accused of ‘hate speech’ - what about Momentum and its “anti-Semitism”, he asked.

In fact the government is planning to impose new social media controls on what it calls material deemed to be “harmful, but not necessarily illegal”. The white paper issued by home secretary Sajid Javid and culture and media secretary Jeremy Wright does not make it clear who will decide that a particular item is “harmful” or how such a decision will be made, while its assurances about ‘freedom of expression’ are deliberately vague. The regulations would cover not just social media, but independent websites. In other words, far from celebrating the current restrictions and bans, we should forcefully oppose them.

https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1248/silencing-the-right-will-be-followed-by-silencing-/
 

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Well there's finally a date for the UK porn block - Mon July 15.

As for kids accidentally stumbling across porn, I don't think this block will prevent that.

Google image/video search currently returns hardcore images in unfiltered search results for example, but the porn block won't block Google. You can also find hardcore images and gifs in random corners of social media platforms like Twitter and Reddit - sites that again won't be blocked.

So if you have children and you think you can leave it to the government to keep them from adult content on the internet, you're being naive. You'll still need to install filtering software and put some time and effort into setting it up if you want to be reasonably certain your kids won't encounter smut.
 

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Well there's finally a date for the UK porn block - Mon July 15.

As for kids accidentally stumbling across porn, I don't think this block will prevent that.

Google image/video search currently returns hardcore images in unfiltered search results for example, but the porn block won't block Google. You can also find hardcore images and gifs in random corners of social media platforms like Twitter and Reddit - sites that again won't be blocked.

So if you have children and you think you can leave it to the government to keep them from adult content on the internet, you're being naive. You'll still need to install filtering software and put some time and effort into setting it up if you want to be reasonably certain your kids won't encounter smut.
July 15? .. I need to catch up now! *fap fap fap fap fap*
 

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Well there's finally a date for the UK porn block - Mon July 15.

As for kids accidentally stumbling across porn, I don't think this block will prevent that.
If the goobermunt can’t keep kids, drugs, knives and illegal firearms apart, l fail to see how they can delude themselves that they can keep tech-savvy fourteen-year old boys away from grumble.

l do, however, see a golden opportunity for the entrepreneurs of the future: any kid with the wit to - for example - use a VPN, can download terabytes of wankbait, transfer it to CDs or thumb drives, flog it by the hour and become the Frankie Vaughan Baron of the Remove.

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If the goobermunt can’t keep kids, drugs, knives and illegal firearms apart, l fail to see how they can delude themselves that they can keep tech-savvy fourteen-year old boys away from grumble.

l do, however, see a golden opportunity for the entrepreneurs of the future: any kid with the wit to - for example - use a VPN, can download terabytes of wankbait, transfer it to CDs or thumb drives, flog it by the hour and become the Frankie Vaughan Baron of the Remove.

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Max, if you're into it, we could go into business together planting new hedges across Britain so jazz magazines can return to be found and back into the hands of Clearasil enthusiast teenage boys everywhere, it's our duty to not deprive the next generation.
 
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Max, if you're into it, we could go into business together planting new hedges across Britain so jazz magazines can return to be found and back into the hands of Clearasil enthusiast teenage boys everywhere, it's our duty to not deprive the next generation.
Don't forget to include half a can of flat, lukewarm Kestrel lager. It's just not the same without it.
 
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Max, if you're into it, we could go into business together planting new hedges across Britain so jazz magazines can return to be found and back into the hands of Clearasil enthusiast teenage boys everywhere, it's our duty to not deprive the next generation.
Max knows a lot of farmers but they'll want a cut of the action. still the increase in hedgerows will lead to new habitats for hedgehogs. Urban foxes might do the deliveries in cities, again, farmers could drop them off.
 

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Max knows a lot of farmers but they'll want a cut of the action. still the increase in hedgerows will lead to new habitats for hedgehogs. Urban foxes might do the deliveries in cities, again, farmers could drop them off.
Yes, and then teenage lads of today can re create the thrills of finding a scud book in a hedge with some of the pages stuck together .. and half a can of flat Kestral lager that might instead be piss.
 
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Everyone of a certain age seems to have memories of finding gentlemen's magazines discarded in hedgerows when they were children. On the occasions that my friends and I found grumble mags, there was always evidence of drinking cheap lager* and usually the remains of a camp fire. Was this a group activity? The most disturbing part of all was that the mags themselves were always torn to shreds as if in a frenzy.



*once half a bottle of Bells whisky. Yes, that did turn out to be piss. No, I didn't.
 
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The latest round of censorship on Social Media is a threat to all sides.

Silencing the right will be followed by silencing the left

Yassamine Mather looks behind the social media bans imposed in the name of ‘democracy’

... It so happened that it was the very next day that Facebook banned a host of far-right individuals and organisations in the UK, accusing them of “spreading hate”. The list included Facebook and Instagram pages associated with the British National Party, the English Defence League, the National Front, Britain First and the militant Christian group, Knights Templar International. Nick Griffin, former leader of the British National Party, and Jack Renshaw, a far-right activist jailed in June for plotting to murder Labour MP Rosie Cooper, were also banned.

Many on the left rushed to celebrate these bans, but clearly such a reaction is ill-considered. Leave aside the fact that many associated with the current US administration have close relations with British and European far-right groups. For instance, Trump’s former advisor, Steve Bannon, has invited Marine Le Pen’s far-right party to join his populist project.2 And last year The Guardian commented that Bannon was visiting Europe to encourage a “national populist revolt”.3

However, the point is that the UK ban represents a dangerous attack on freedom of expression by the ‘moderators’ of social media groups working with the British government. The fact that at this time it is the right that has been targeted is irrelevant. Jacob Rees-Mogg pointed out that it is not just the far right which has been accused of ‘hate speech’ - what about Momentum and its “anti-Semitism”, he asked.

In fact the government is planning to impose new social media controls on what it calls material deemed to be “harmful, but not necessarily illegal”. The white paper issued by home secretary Sajid Javid and culture and media secretary Jeremy Wright does not make it clear who will decide that a particular item is “harmful” or how such a decision will be made, while its assurances about ‘freedom of expression’ are deliberately vague. The regulations would cover not just social media, but independent websites. In other words, far from celebrating the current restrictions and bans, we should forcefully oppose them.

https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1248/silencing-the-right-will-be-followed-by-silencing-/
Facebook and other social media sites are businesses so far right/left are still free to paddle there hate else were.its just a white paper for now.
 

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Another round of social media bans, I see.

Alex Jones, Paul Joseph Watson, Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, Laura Loomer and Paul Nehlen (had to look this one up) have all been erased from Facebook and Instagram.

Infowars, Jones' outfit, has an even more stringent ban in place where any citation of its reporting will be removed from other accounts.

I find Jones amusing, but I'm no great supporter of any of these characters; nonetheless, this strikes me as a very bad idea. The concerted efforts of these platforms may impede the spread of the ideas and topics such figures discuss, but to stymie the discussion of ideas that concern and interest the public is to tamp down the lid on a pressure cooker. Much of what they saw is transparently false, but it must be shown to be false in order to reduce their influence. Preventing the discussion is preventing the rebuttal, and the unsavoury and socially destructive gain traction primarily because bans reinforce the impression of the kind of authoritarianism and social control that they trade upon so heavily.

This will not end well.
 

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Those who did this so their own views wont be challenged, beware, you are next
 

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And let’s be realistic if there were tweets or videos of TR saying any of the things he is accused of, they would be all over the internet. There are none. What does that tell you ?
Racism/Islamophobia :


And SYL's love of free speech includes getting some thugs together and doorstepping his critics in the middle of the night -

(You might also wonder where he gets his funding. Answer : Not just individual donations. He has some very wealthy backers using him as a mouthpiece.)

He'll happily rant against Asian paedophiles but he's curiously silent about ones in the EDL.
SYL isn't a brave defender of free speech. Like so many other far-righters he's a defender of free speech for himself so he can spout his bile, wave the flag, get a certain demographic riled up and rake in the donations. Soon as anyone challenges him he gets coked up and angry.

 

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Another round of social media bans, I see.

Alex Jones, Paul Joseph Watson, Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, Laura Loomer and Paul Nehlen (had to look this one up) have all been erased from Facebook and Instagram.

Infowars, Jones' outfit, has an even more stringent ban in place where any citation of its reporting will be removed from other accounts.

I find Jones amusing, but I'm no great supporter of any of these characters; nonetheless, this strikes me as a very bad idea. The concerted efforts of these platform may impede the spread of the ideas and topics such figures discuss, but to stymie the discussion of ideas that concern and interest the public is to tamp down the lid on a pressure cooker. Much of what they saw is transparently false, but it must be shown to be false in order to reduce their influence. Preventing the discussion is preventing the rebuttal, and unsavoury and socially destructive gain traction primarily because bans reinforce the impression of the kind of authoritarianism and social control that they trade on so heavily.

This will not end well.
Regarding Milo Yiannopoulos, this article should be interesting read. Superficially people think he's just having fun with SJW and feminists.

But as long as he hasn't done anything mentioned in the article on Facebook, should he be deleted? Not really sure.

It's hard to be a free speech fundamentalist these days. Perhaps I no longer am a free speech fundamentalist.
 

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It looks Like the devs off mk11 has given into the outrage brigade because the female characters clothing have been tone down to show less skin/revealing but the male characters remain unchanged and political beliefs are being pushed.so we got politics+sexism+censorship.
 

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So... doing something that female gamers have long been suggesting means they have "given in to the outrage brigade"? How do you differentiate between "outrage brigade" and "sensible response to market forces"?

Playing a game when your character looks like something from a teen boy's first fumblings into sexuality really doesn't enhance the experience.

If you want the male characters changed then lobby for it.
 

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So... doing something that female gamers have long been suggesting means they have "given in to the outrage brigade"? How do you differentiate between "outrage brigade" and "sensible response to market forces"?

Playing a game when your character looks like something from a teen boy's first fumblings into sexuality really doesn't enhance the experience.

If you want the male characters changed then lobby for it.
I've never heard of female games asking for censorship and The outrage brigade /moral guardians are unlikely to be to gamers and don't care about market forces.
 

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@Megadeth1977 you are talking about me.

Just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it's not there.

I am telling you that this has happened and who has been doing it. First hand evidence.

What is /your/ evidence for your points

* that changing artwork to appeal to more people is "censorship"?

* that female (and also others) gamers haven't been asking for this?

* that the people asking for it are the "outrage brigade/moral guardians"?

* that the people asking for it are not gamers

* that the people who care about market forces have to be gamers rather than the people making money from the game?
 

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Another round of social media bans, I see.

Alex Jones, Paul Joseph Watson, Louis Farrakhan, Milo Yiannopoulos, Laura Loomer and Paul Nehlen (had to look this one up) have all been erased from Facebook and Instagram.

Infowars, Jones' outfit, has an even more stringent ban in place where any citation of its reporting will be removed from other accounts.

I find Jones amusing, but I'm no great supporter of any of these characters; nonetheless, this strikes me as a very bad idea. The concerted efforts of these platforms may impede the spread of the ideas and topics such figures discuss, but to stymie the discussion of ideas that concern and interest the public is to tamp down the lid on a pressure cooker. Much of what they saw is transparently false, but it must be shown to be false in order to reduce their influence. Preventing the discussion is preventing the rebuttal, and the unsavoury and socially destructive gain traction primarily because bans reinforce the impression of the kind of authoritarianism and social control that they trade upon so heavily.

This will not end well.
Alex jones amusing:mad: I think not and do you do know he instigated the harassment of the parents sandy hook victims.
 

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@Megadeth1977 you are talking about me.

Just because you haven't heard of something doesn't mean it's not there.

I am telling you that this has happened and who has been doing it. First hand evidence.

What is /your/ evidence for your points

* that changing artwork to appeal to more people is "censorship"?

* that female (and also others) gamers haven't been asking for this?

* that the people asking for it are the "outrage brigade/moral guardians"?

* that the people asking for it are not gamers

* that the people who care about market forces have to be gamers rather than the people making money from the game?
I'm not talking about you and your tone is very argumentative your a mod for God sake.
 

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@Megadeth1977

This is a discussion board.

I am one of the people who has pushed for this. If you make up names for the people who have pushed for this then....

Retreating into narrow characterisations won't work for long.

I've asked you for evidence for specific points.
 
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