The Nanny State: Ideological Policing & Internet Censorship

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When I first joined Amazon, I had to prove I was over 18 to get 18-rated films and TV shows. It was not a problem.
i was not asked to prove i was over 18 When I first joined Amazon in 2014 and it could become a problem in the future because some people don't have a form of id like a pass port or credit card and it looks like is the what this government is aiming for all sites not just social media sites.
 
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my post got removed no thanks to that uncalled rant slow clap.
Told you before - if you have a problem with a mod decision then deal with it by PM or in the General Queries thread.

Pos(t)ing like this is childish, irritating and unnecessary.

You have also been told that asserting that any decision you don't like is because of SJWs got old some time ago.

Debate, discuss, use the place as it's meant to be used. If you post unfounded one-sided position pieces then people will come back at you.

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PS by PM or in the General Queries thread.
 

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I am a little unsure here, but I assume they are talking about all sites,like here, maybe,?
Retail is not a problem..............unless you just have a debit card, as that is not accepted as an ID, if you are already a member then they should not require it.
 

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https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/06/youtube-removes-alkmaar-film-archive-for-hate-mongering/

Video sharing site YouTube removed all archive material belonging to the regional archive in Alkmaar for ‘hate-mongering’ for a time this weekend, NH Nieuws reports. The material YouTube objected to included images from World War II which featured swastikas and other Nazi symbols, which may have been the reason for its removal. Other historic images of the town of Alkmaar were also removed, however. ‘This is censorship of official material,’ archivist Mark Alphenaar told NH Nieuws. ‘They are accusing of us op inciting hate but we are an official institution.
 

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https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/06/youtube-removes-alkmaar-film-archive-for-hate-mongering/

Video sharing site YouTube removed all archive material belonging to the regional archive in Alkmaar for ‘hate-mongering’ for a time this weekend, NH Nieuws reports. The material YouTube objected to included images from World War II which featured swastikas and other Nazi symbols, which may have been the reason for its removal. Other historic images of the town of Alkmaar were also removed, however. ‘This is censorship of official material,’ archivist Mark Alphenaar told NH Nieuws. ‘They are accusing of us op inciting hate but we are an official institution.
It's bonkers, isn't it?

I am subscribed to a channel that plays chants and nature sounds over beautiful footage. People use it to aid sleep and meditation.

Demonetised as not suitable for advertisers this week.

YouTube cannot curate content manually and retain immunity from legal liability for problem content. Hence they torture us with their artificial unintelligence and dare the U.S. government to legislate.
 

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It's bonkers, isn't it?

I am subscribed to a channel that plays chants and nature sounds over beautiful footage. People use it to aid sleep and meditation.

Demonetised as not suitable for advertisers this week.

YouTube cannot curate content manually and retain immunity from legal liability for problem content. Hence they torture us with their artificial unintelligence and dare the U.S. government to legislate.
Their whole system is breaking down. People are going to other platforms.
 

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Cyberpunk 2077 art criticized as transphobic is meant to reflect corporate exploitation, says the artist
By Andy Chalk 17 hours ago
The controversial in-game ad appears in a new screenshot released during E3.

Cyberpunk 2077 studio CD Projekt Red has responded to criticism of an ad in the game that features a possibly transgender model promoting a fictional drink "with 16 flavors you'd love to mix," under the words "Mix it up." The image was widely—but not universally—criticized as being transphobic. "It reeks of fetishism," one commenter said in a ResetEra thead.

Even if it were meant as a criticism of advertising, some felt CD Projekt was simply trying to be 'edgy' at the expense of trans people, whatever the in-world justification.

If Cyberpunk 2077 treated girls’ dicks as just another facet of life, it would be fine. This ad shows that CDPR thinks trans people are weird, shocking, and fundamentally sexual. How do you “get” the joke? By looking at the model’s bulging erection. It’s a trope.June 12, 2019
In response to this reaction, the artist who created it, Kasia Redesiuk, told Polygon at E3 this week that her intent was in fact to reflect the dystopian state of a world in the grip of omnipresent, all-powerful corporations.
"Personally, for me, this person is sexy. I like how this person looks," Redesiuk said. "However, this model is used—their beautiful body is used—for corporate reasons. They are displayed there just as a thing, and that’s the terrible part of it."

Gender-nonconforming people are far more visible in 2077 than they are today, Redesiuk explained, and they have money—and so they're a prime demographic for this kind of targeted advertising. The power of corporations in the game world means that everything about that marketing is more overt and aggressive.
"They create those very aggressive advertisements that use, and abuse, a lot of people’s needs and instincts. So, hypersexualization is apparent everywhere, and in our ads there are many examples of hypersexualized women, hypersexualized men, and hypersexualized people in between," Redesiuk said.

"It was a conscious choice on our end to show that in this world—a world where you are a cyberpunk, a person fighting against corporations. That [advertisement] is what you’re fighting against."
Despite the controversy, she hopes that the ad will ultimately help foster empathy for the LGBTQ community among the overall videogame audience. "I honestly think we need it because we need more acceptance in the world, and we need to also show how the goodness of people is sometimes used against them," she said. "And I would really love for the world to change and be a better place for everyone."

But Ana Valens, who writes about trans issues for publications including Daily Dot, expressed doubt that CD Projekt will actually provide position transgender representation in Cyberpunk 2077.
"Cyberpunk is a complicated speculative fiction genre. Good commentary about trans experiences with gender can only come from a team actively embracing trans perspectives and commentary on gender, whether by working with trans people in sensitivity readings or outright letting them lead in writing and art creation," she told us. "If anything, Redesiuk’s comments prove she — and her colleagues — aren’t familiar with trans cyberpunk literature on gender experiences in the late capitalist future."

The challenge CD Projekt faces when taking on subjects like this is compounded by its history: The studio make a joke about assuming gender on Twitter last year and then apologized "to all those offended," and then a few months later co-opted the #WontBeErased hashtag to promote its GOG storefront. The social media manager responsible for those tweets was subsequently fired.

A hit piece why I'm I not surprised and a sjw who completely ignore the context the artist gives .
 
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It's bonkers, isn't it?

I am subscribed to a channel that plays chants and nature sounds over beautiful footage. People use it to aid sleep and meditation.

Demonetised as not suitable for advertisers this week.

YouTube cannot curate content manually and retain immunity from legal liability for problem content. Hence they torture us with their artificial unintelligence and dare the U.S. government to legislate.
Loads of channels get demonetised, from what I gather it's often not clear why to the channel "owners", it's seldom about "offensiveness" from what I gather.
 

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Does demonetising mean that the stuff is still available on youtube but google doesn't allow them any advertising? The content isn't banned..

I presume it's down to traffic & hits. Google are pretty mercenary.
 

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Does demonetising mean that the stuff is still available on youtube but google doesn't allow them any advertising? The content isn't banned..

I presume it's down to traffic & hits. Google are pretty mercenary.
Yes, it's still there but with the ads removed, I'm not sure if it's entirely down to traffic but that must figure into it.
 

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Does demonetising mean that the stuff is still available on youtube but google doesn't allow them any advertising? The content isn't banned..

I presume it's down to traffic & hits. Google are pretty mercenary.
Youtube may be doing some of this to delay payments to the content creators, allowing them to make bigger profits.
It's cheating, hardball business. Sharp practices.
 

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Does demonetising mean that the stuff is still available on youtube but google doesn't allow them any advertising? The content isn't banned..

I presume it's down to traffic & hits. Google are pretty mercenary.
Yes, but there's an advanced sanction, too, whereby some or all of a creator's videos can be put into a limited state.

This means that comments from viewers are disabled (as are LIKES/DISLIKES and viewing figures), and the videos do not appear in either search results or recommended videos.

The only way to access them or know they exist is to browse directly do them or have an external link pointing at them.

When this occurs, viewing figures drop off a cliff.
 

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Yes, but there's an advanced sanction, too, whereby some or all of a creator's videos can be put into a limited state.

This means that comments from viewers are disabled (as are LIKES/DISLIKES and viewing figures), and the videos do not appear in either search results or recommended videos.

The only way to access them or know they exist is to browse directly do them or have an external link pointing at them.

When this occurs, viewing figures drop off a cliff.
That seems counterproductive - both parties are presumably earning money from advertising, assuming there's enough traffic.

The advanced sanction seems gratuitously vindictive. What's the theory as to why they do this? Some sort of personal issue playing out?
 

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The advanced sanction seems gratuitously vindictive. What's the theory as to why they do this? Some sort of personal issue playing out?
YouTube's rationale for action changes like the weather.

The latest criteria cover situations where all of a creator's content is within the guidelines of acceptability, but the user frequently skims the boundaries.

Which is as stupid as it sounds.

It's akin to being given a speeding ticket for driving repeatedly at the speed limit.

As to 'why' they do it, it's because the content adheres to their rules but they don't want bloody hands in promoting it.
 

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There is a youtube channel that we watch from time to time which has been I think demonetised; even though we can't see anything wrong with it. It's just videos about aliens and strange footage, that sort of thing, but it's never really over the top or anything.

Whereas we come across loads of far worse videos that don't seem to annoy youtube.

One has to wonder (donning conspiracy beret) what youtube has to fear from some of the channels they have issues with.
 

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There is a youtube channel that we watch from time to time which has been I think demonetised; even though we can't see anything wrong with it. It's just videos about aliens and strange footage, that sort of thing, but it's never really over the top or anything.

Whereas we come across loads of far worse videos that don't seem to annoy youtube.

One has to wonder (donning conspiracy beret) what youtube has to fear from some of the channels they have issues with.
I doubt it, I imagine it is largely down to data, there are multiple videos being uploaded every second, they can't keep up with all of them, or anywhere near. I don't think they can necessarily deal with every complaint either - of which I imagine there are several a minute. They'll omly deal with the worst/illegal stuff or things with many complaints.
 

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There is a youtube channel that we watch from time to time which has been I think demonetised; even though we can't see anything wrong with it. It's just videos about aliens and strange footage, that sort of thing, but it's never really over the top or anything.

Whereas we come across loads of far worse videos that don't seem to annoy youtube.

One has to wonder (donning conspiracy beret) what youtube has to fear from some of the channels they have issues with.
They fear loss of advertising revenue.

If ads run on something even vaguely controversial, multiple millions can (have) been lost when the big boys up stumps. Because they can't watch everything, they rely on A.I. and (slow) secondary manual review. It's such a critical issue that they have everything set to overcaution. False positives all over the show are still preferable to a few non-PG vids slipping through the net and gaining ads.

The problem is exacerbated by the off-line coporate media (print and TV), who run sensationalist stories that denigrate YouTube and link specific brands with nasty vids because--wait for it--they are the major alternative for advertisers with cold feet. The mainstream media has a vested interest in keeping those feet as chilly as possible.

That's it.
 

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They fear loss of advertising revenue.

If ads run on something even vaguely controversial, multiple millions can (have) been lost when the big boys up stumps. Because they can't watch everything, they rely on A.I. and (slow) secondary manual review. It's such a critical issue that they have everything set to overcaution. False positives all over the show are still preferable to a few non-PG vids slipping through the net and gaining ads.

The problem is exacerbated by the off-line coporate media (print and TV), who run sensationalist stories that denigrate YouTube and link specific brands with nasty vids because--wait for it--they are the major alternative for advertisers with cold feet. The mainstream media has a vested interest in keeping those feet as chilly as possible.

That's it.
Corporate censorship In a nut shell.
 

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I hope I've put this in the right place.
I have no idea about the games, but I used to play Cyberpunk 2020 quite a bit and it sounds as if the criticism that is coming the way of the creators is almost wholly from people who know nothing of the setting.

It's like complaining that the dogs come across negatively in Animal Farm.
 

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Actually. What is porn?
I’d say one definition is it’s morally irresponsible material designed to titlillate.
While everyone’s thinking sex, there’s also scope for widening the definition to hardcore war photo journalism - depending on the narrative, Or even historic works of art (Hans Bellmer). There’s a broader spectrum of what is offensive and obscene. We’ve seen politicians making comments that many find repugnant. Do we say a painting of Jesus looking lean and pretty hot in a low-slung loincloth while nailed to a cross is one man’s pornography and should therefore be included in a ban or in future, should you have to register as a Porn lover to access similar images? Does the burning hot flesh of Napalm Girl in a historic photo fall into a category of full frontal nudity?
Obscenity is more than consenting adults banging away like loose doors in a storm but I don’t think the adults have put a lot of thought into the implications of a ‘Porn Law’.
And* that’s because the vast majority of today’s politicians are a bunch of useless cunts.

*Edited to include the word ‘And’.
 
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