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The Nature Of Gravity

I find that clicking on the links gives me a couple of paragraphs of text then a message saying I need to subscribe if I want to continue reading the item.

I am tempted to subscribe for the on-line version. I gave up the paper version as it was belt tightening time.
 
INT21 said:
I find that clicking on the links gives me a couple of paragraphs of text then a message saying I need to subscribe if I want to continue reading the item.
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I don't, as in:

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Maybe something to do with, 'cookies' from a previous visit to the web site?
 
Continued.... if you type in that URL, it does indeed take you to the 'subscribe' invitation... however, if you search for, 'new scientist gravity', the article is duly highlighted and that link evidently bypasses the subscription requirement.
 
I was pondering something in the early hours again;

If there was a sphere, say the size of a small town, and I were to walk from the 'North' to the 'South pole', I would know that I was upside down- the blood would be rushing to my head and I would probably feel a bit queezy- unlike when on a huge planet such as earth and there is no discernible effect.

At what size then, would the sphere have to be before it became like the earth, ie no effect was noticed?

And does the Sorites paradox then come into play as well?
 
Floyd1 said:
I was pondering something in the early hours again;

If there was a sphere, say the size of a small town, and I were to walk from the 'North' to the 'South pole', I would know that I was upside down- the blood would be rushing to my head and I would probably feel a bit queezy- unlike when on a huge planet such as earth and there is no discernible effect.

At what size then, would the sphere have to be before it became like the earth, ie no effect was noticed?

And does the Sorites paradox then come into play as well?
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You would notice because the Earth is very much more massive than the sphere you are walking on, and the Earth' gravity is what you will be feeling. If your sphere was outside of the immediate influence of Earth, it would have a very low, but equal, gravity all around the sphere, and you would not notice the difference. unless your little sphere was massively dense like a neutron star, in which case it would overcome the Earth's gravity (the Earth would fall into the sphere!)
 
Just to add some more variables, most of which I don't understand either :)

There is a certain size with natural objects when the accumulation of matter produces a sphere rather than an irregular lump. I think it is part of the definition of dwarf planets.

Mass plays a part as @SimonBurchell said.

With enough mass, tidal forces come into play as well.

Wasn't sure @Floyd1 whether you were thinking of a sphere floating close to the Earth, or one in space?

One thing I am pretty sure of though is that you won't be standing on the surface of a neutron star for long enough to worry about it as the gravitational pull is massive.
 
When they send space craft to sample asteroids they they seem to be able to land
and orbit them so even relatively small objects must have gravity,

Gravity is a myth the Earth suckes.
 
Tunn11 said:
Just to add some more variables, most of which I don't understand either :)

There is a certain size with natural objects when the accumulation of matter produces a sphere rather than an irregular lump. I think it is part of the definition of dwarf planets.

Mass plays a part as @SimonBurchell said.

With enough mass, tidal forces come into play as well.

Wasn't sure @Floyd1 whether you were thinking of a sphere floating close to the Earth, or one in space?

One thing I am pretty sure of though is that you won't be standing on the surface of a neutron star for long enough to worry about it as the gravitational pull is massive.
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I was thinking of the sphere as a stand alone 'planet' if you like, floating in space. I hadn't considered its proximity to earth or anything else.
 
Floyd1 said:
I was thinking of the sphere as a stand alone 'planet' if you like, floating in space. I hadn't considered its proximity to earth or anything else.
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Then wherever you are standing "down" would be where your feet are. Gravity would act to pull you toward the centre of the sphere. (Actually your gravity would pull on the sphere as well, so it would pull you to the centre of mass of the two of you)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycenter_(astronomy)

Of course if the sphere is small enough you may be able to jump off of it - this site is a bit of fun and shows how high you can jump on on different planets, comets, etc. https://cosmos-book.github.io/high-jump/index.html

Reminds me of Fritz Zwicky's insult where he called some of his colleagues "Spherical bastards," because "They were bastards whichever way you looked at them."
 
Landing on an asteroid is much trickier than expected. The Philae spaceccraft was supposed to land on asteroid Churyumov–Gerasimenko, which has about 1/10,000 the gravity of Earth. The lander was supplied with a cold-gas thruster and harpoons designed to stick it to the surface, but neither of these worked correctly.

Instead the lander bounced at 15:34, 16:20 and 17:35,reaching 1km high during the bounce, at which time it finally landed half-upside-down in a crevice (like a drunken bloke stuck behind the sofa trying to switch the Christmas tree lights on).
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S'funny. But yes, astrodynamics are super hard to nail. I remember Gene Cernan's description of nearly dying on a Gemini mission because he couldn't anchor anywhere on his module on a spacewalk in zeroG. It was a real bad trip, He was a bit pissed when Aldrin got the slippers in a later Gemini mission. Said he had it easy. Navy guys, eh.
 
I'll keep this as simple as possible. ALL MATTER IS SELF PROPELLED; GRAVITY IS JUST THE DRIVER.
 
thebluescarecrow said:
I'll keep this as simple as possible. ALL MATTER IS SELF PROPELLED; GRAVITY IS JUST THE DRIVER.
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That statement is contradictory.

If all matter is self propelled, then how can gravity be the driver?

Do you mean gravity is the medium?

If so, it still does not make sense.

Current understanding of gravity at the macro level is that it is the result of spacetime curvature caused by the mass.

Also, why are you addressing gravity under the heading of Conspiracy?
 
Can you explain where the conspiracy is ?
 
Ascalon said:
That statement is contradictory.

If all matter is self propelled, then how can gravity be the driver?
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Imaging a car driving down the road; the car is matter. Is the driver pulling or pushing the car? No. He is just driving/steering/compelling/urging the direction of matter. Tesla knew this. In one of his profound statements, he said that the earth could be used as a spaceship.
Knowing this it becomes clear that Devil's Tower was compelled up out of the ground. Here is a young man compelling a boulder up out of the ground.
Visit: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nxZmKsktszWpVNcQWa8uE3N7cpP_tiyA/view?usp=sharing

Ascalon said:
Do you mean gravity is the medium?

If so, it still does not make sense.

Current understanding of gravity at the macro level is that it is the result of spacetime curvature caused by the mass.

Also, why are you addressing gravity under the heading of Conspiracy?
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Because the government is hiding facts about gravity. If you have a better title to put it under, please let me know.
 
thebluescarecrow said:
Imaging a car driving down the road; the car is matter. Is the driver pulling or pushing the car? No. He is just driving/steering/compelling/urging the direction of matter. Tesla knew this. In one of his profound statements, he said that the earth could be used as a spaceship.
Knowing this it becomes clear that Devil's Tower was compelled up out of the ground. Here is a young man compelling a boulder up out of the ground.
Visit: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nxZmKsktszWpVNcQWa8uE3N7cpP_tiyA/view?usp=sharing


Because the government is hiding facts about gravity. If you have a better title to put it under, please let me know.
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I'm afraid your analogies are not really serving to illustrate your argument.
A car being driven down the road by a driver is actually being moved by the engine, which is under the control of the driver — alone, neither one could drive the car.

In your analogy, if the particle is the car, what is the particle's equivalent of the driver? And the engine? And the brakes?

As regards the earth as a spaceship, well it already is. Even in the gravitational pull of our sun where we orbit at something like 30km/s we are still part of a spiral arm of the Milkyway Galaxy that is itself thought to be travelling at some 220km/s through space.

So again, what is your hypothesis? If gravity is not the result of the curvature of space due to the effect of matter upon it, what is it?

With regard to your assertion that the Devil's Tower was 'compelled' out of the ground, well yes, of course it was. It is a cooled magma formation. Much the same as a large number of such formations around the world, similar to the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland.

It bears no relation whatsoever to what you purport to show in the referenced video.

If you are saying that gravity can be controlled in very specific ways so as to be brought under the control of a human mid, well I would have to call: no evidence.

Gravity on the macro scale is so weak as to require extremely large mass to have any effect noticeable at the human level, such as the moon that raises the tides, the planet that holds us in its embrace, and the sun around which we orbit. This is why it took so long and such sensitive instruments on such a large scale to actually detect the gravity waves that were predicted by Einstein's work in relativity. Even some of the most violent occurrences in the universe, the collision of blackholes that twist the very fabric of the universe and send ripples at the speed of light through it in all directions were so incredibly difficult to detect that it took months of operation of the laser interferometer before any such measurements were made.

Gravity manipulation is theoretically possible, as it has been demonstrated that massive objects can cause such effects. However, harnessing the power of as blackhole is far beyond us yet. While interesting effects have been seen with the likes of spinning, high intensity magnets, and magnetic levitation, this is more overcoming gravity due to a more powerful force - magnetism.

So, what is your assertion?

I could just as easily put the scene from Star Wars where Yoda pulls the X-Wing out of the swamp and say it shows the power of the force.

Without context and provenance, your video is proof of nothing at all.

In the spirit of the forum, if you have a compelling theory spit it out so that we can understand and engage with it or leave you to it.
 
Ascalon said:
I'm afraid your analogies are not really serving to illustrate your argument.
A car being driven down the road by a driver is actually being moved by the engine, which is under the control of the driver — alone, neither one could drive the car.
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True. This is a metaphor/analogy. You are complicating where it does not need to be complicated. Just like in our haste to control the atom, we have overlooked many things.
Ascalon said:
In your analogy, if the particle is the car, what is the particle's equivalent of the driver? And the engine? And the brakes?

As regards the earth as a spaceship, well it already is. Even in the gravitational pull of our sun where we orbit at something like 30km/s we are still part of a spiral arm of the Milkyway Galaxy that is itself thought to be travelling at some 220km/s through space.

So again, what is your hypothesis?
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The hypothesis has already been stated. All matter is self propelled and compelled by the driver/inducer.
Ascalon said:
If gravity is not the result of the curvature of space due to the effect of matter upon it, what is it?

With regard to your assertion that the Devil's Tower was 'compelled' out of the ground, well yes, of course it was. It is a cooled magma formation. Much the same as a large number of such formations around the world, similar to the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland.
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Nope. If you dig a little further, you will come across the legend. 7 Indian girls were playing on a plot of land when suddenly they were about to be attacked by a giant bear. They prayed to their god to be saved and He pulled (induced) the plot of land up out of the ground and out of the reach of the bear.
Ascalon said:
It bears no relation whatsoever to what you purport to show in the referenced video.
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Yes it does. Gravity (so called) can be controlled in a highly charged state of emotion. A frail woman lifts a car that has rolled onto her son's leg. This has no resemblance to adrenaline. A human tendon would snap under such a load. She is emotionally giving the car an instruction to compel, urge or induce the vehicle to move in a certain direction to free her son.
Ascalon said:
If you are saying that gravity can be controlled in very specific ways so as to be brought under the control of a human mid, well I would have to call: no evidence.
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UFO's envelope themselves in a "Force Field". That "Field" instructs the tiny atomic thrusters in matter to point in a certain direction. This is why right hand turns at incredible speeds are possible, because everything within the "Field" moves at the same time; there is no inertia.
When your car is stopped, the tiny atomic thrusters (TATs) are pointing down. When you start to drive, you are dragging all of the TATs through the "Field". This results in a change of direction, wherein the TATs will orient themselves in the direction of travel. When you remove your foot from the accelerator, the car will keep moving due to the TATs pointing in the direction of travel. When brakes are applied or friction takes over and the car slows to a stop, the position of the TATs will then point down. Down is gravity; up is levitation and motion results in inertia. Please remember this is only a mechanical version of my hypothesis.

There is a ubiquitous 3D "Field" which is magnetic in nature and contains sundry frequencies. Manipulation of this "Field" is the core technology of the aliens. Hope this helps. You have read things and have chosen to believe them. Most everything that we have been taught from birth is a lie. The truth is out there; you just have to be able to recognize it. Gravity has been touted as the weakest of the 4 forces of nature. If that is true, then how does the Sun's gravity hold Pluto in its orbit almost 4 billion miles away?
Ascalon said:
Gravity on the macro scale is so weak as to require extremely large mass to have any effect noticeable at the human level, such as the moon that raises the tides, the planet that holds us in its embrace, and the sun around which we orbit. This is why it took so long and such sensitive instruments on such a large scale to actually detect the gravity waves that were predicted by Einstein's work in relativity. Even some of the most violent occurrences in the universe, the collision of blackholes that twist the very fabric of the universe and send ripples at the speed of light through it in all directions were so incredibly difficult to detect that it took months of operation of the laser interferometer before any such measurements were made.

Gravity manipulation is theoretically possible,
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Yes, it is possible. The aliens moved the earth from the 5th orbit down to the 3rd orbit. Remember the thrusters are built-in. The Asteroid Belt is not the remains of an exploded planet; there just isn't enough material; only enough to make a small moon about half the size of ours.
Visit: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/esp_sumer_annunaki22.htm
Ascalon said:
as it has been demonstrated that massive objects can cause such effects. However, harnessing the power of as blackhole is far beyond us yet. While interesting effects have been seen with the likes of spinning, high intensity magnets, and magnetic levitation, this is more overcoming gravity due to a more powerful force - magnetism.

So, what is your assertion?

I could just as easily put the scene from Star Wars where Yoda pulls the X-Wing out of the swamp and say it shows the power of the force.
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It's not a "Force". It is a person in a highly charged/focused emotional state. Mathew - 17:20 "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
You're really not moving a mountain. Remember we are in a computer controlled dream world. all you would be doing it rearranging zeros and ones.
Ascalon said:
Without context and provenance, your video is proof of nothing at all.
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The aliens bombarded the earth with asteroids around 12,000 years ago. The scars are still here, including Meteor Crater up in northern Arizona. How does one use an asteroid as a cannonball, unless of course the thrusters are built-in and they are just steering/ driving/inducing them.
Ascalon said:
In the spirit of the forum, if you have a compelling theory spit it out so that we can understand and engage with it or leave you to it.
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thebluescarecrow said:
True. This is a metaphor/analogy. You are complicating where it does not need to be complicated. Just like in our haste to control the atom, we have overlooked many things.

The hypothesis has already been stated. All matter is self propelled and compelled by the driver/inducer.

Nope. If you dig a little further, you will come across the legend. 7 Indian girls were playing on a plot of land when suddenly they were about to be attacked by a giant bear. They prayed to their god to be saved and He pulled (induced) the plot of land up out of the ground and out of the reach of the bear.

Yes it does. Gravity (so called) can be controlled in a highly charged state of emotion. A frail woman lifts a car that has rolled onto her son's leg. This has no resemblance to adrenaline. A human tendon would snap under such a load. She is emotionally giving the car an instruction to compel, urge or induce the vehicle to move in a certain direction to free her son.

UFO's envelope themselves in a "Force Field". That "Field" instructs the tiny atomic thrusters in matter to point in a certain direction. This is why right hand turns at incredible speeds are possible, because everything within the "Field" moves at the same time; there is no inertia.
When your car is stopped, the tiny atomic thrusters (TATs) are pointing down. When you start to drive, you are dragging all of the TATs through the "Field". This results in a change of direction, wherein the TATs will orient themselves in the direction of travel. When you remove your foot from the accelerator, the car will keep moving due to the TATs pointing in the direction of travel. When brakes are applied or friction takes over and the car slows to a stop, the position of the TATs will then point down. Down is gravity; up is levitation and motion results in inertia. Please remember this is only a mechanical version of my hypothesis.

There is a ubiquitous 3D "Field" which is magnetic in nature and contains sundry frequencies. Manipulation of this "Field" is the core technology of the aliens. Hope this helps. You have read things and have chosen to believe them. Most everything that we have been taught from birth is a lie. The truth is out there; you just have to be able to recognize it. Gravity has been touted as the weakest of the 4 forces of nature. If that is true, then how does the Sun's gravity hold Pluto in its orbit almost 4 billion miles away?

Yes, it is possible. The aliens moved the earth from the 5th orbit down to the 3rd orbit. Remember the thrusters are built-in. The Asteroid Belt is not the remains of an exploded planet; there just isn't enough material; only enough to make a small moon about half the size of ours.
Visit: https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/esp_sumer_annunaki22.htm

It's not a "Force". It is a person in a highly charged/focused emotional state. Mathew - 17:20 "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
You're really not moving a mountain. Remember we are in a computer controlled dream world. all you would be doing it rearranging zeros and ones.

The aliens bombarded the earth with asteroids around 12,000 years ago. The scars are still here, including Meteor Crater up in northern Arizona. How does one use an asteroid as a cannonball, unless of course the thrusters are built-in and they are just steering/ driving/inducing them.
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OK, thanks for that.

I have nothing further to add.
 
Sid said:
Good question. . . maybe they hit Return?
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Somebody clicked on an uncertain link?
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I'm wondering

* why is it important we hear and believe this message? From the sound of it there is nothing we can do so...

* if it is important that we hear and believe this message (and a lot of effort is going into it) then why is it being presented in a way that is so contrary to how this place works? wouldn't a horses for courses plan be better?

* if someone hears and believes this message and becomes distressed (euphemism) by the nihilistic world view, who is responsible for trying to put them back together?

* given that They desire emotions from us for their pleasure, is this series of messages actually a fishing expedition to find out who can be driven to despair by these means?

* is the OP a lone voice crying in the wilderness or are they a missionary from an organised group?

@thebluescarecrow ? I understand that you don't want to debate and examine your earlier posts, so how about these? :twothumbs:
 
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