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As explained via Microsoft 'Co-Pilot:'
A Vortex, is a region in a fluid where the flow revolves around an axis line, which can be straight, or curved.
This can be seen in phenomena in the likes of whirlpools, or tornados.
A Cone, on-the-other-hand, is a 3D shape with a flat circular base and a curved surface that tapers to a point.
A Vortex Cone, likely refers to the conical shape that is formed by a rotating fluid, or gas, resembling the shape of a cone.
It's often associated with the motion seen in tornadoes, or whirlpools, where the fluid spins around an axis, creating a conical shape due to the forces involved.

*So it seems that it is a very apt description to explain that a 'Vortex Cone' is something like water going down a sink plug-hole, not a 'non-descript made-up' term at all! :clap:
The difference between Vortex and Cone is as simple as that the first always indicates a movement and the other is a static body, which can eventually give the shape of a vortex.
 
The difference between Vortex and Cone is as simple as that the first always indicates a movement and the other is a static body, which can eventually give the shape of a vortex.
As per my original thought that the so-called terminology they used to describe a phenomenon means absolutely nothing.

The phrase "baffle them with bullsh*t" comes to mind.
 
As per my original thought that the so-called terminology they used to describe a phenomenon means absolutely nothing.

The phrase "baffle them with bullsh*t" comes to mind.
Surely this is so, since when describing a phenomenon that is atypical, human beings tend to define it with commonly used words that, according to their perception, identify it.
 
In the latest episode, the drilling company decided to drill to the side of the mesa’s anomaly and seems to be having more success.

A female pilot in her small Pitts 2B single engine bi-wing plane is to start at 5,000 feet and put smoke rings around the triangle area.

As soon as she came to the triangle area, her gauges started to read strange and she aborted the mission.

Travis welcomes retired Pentagon UFO director Jay Stratton and retired UFO fighter pilot whistleblower Ryan Graves to the ranch.

Ryan claims that 50% of the UAPs his fighter squadron encountered over the years were cubes inside of spheres.

A professional rocket launching company fires 16 rockets, which produces on thermal equipment a UAP that enters into the mesa.
 
Surely this is so, since when describing a phenomenon that is atypical, human beings tend to define it with commonly used words that, according to their perception, identify it.
They are in uncharted territory and are struggling to reconcile what happens there with their scientific knowledge. I saw the YouTUbe short video about this and from what we could see something like a cone was indeed present. That doesn't mean that 21st century Earth science can explain it, if it is the product of 51st century science or its equivalent.
 
Briefly touched upon is how LiDAR works.

LiDAR sends a light beam to an object and measures the time it takes to bounce back to the equipment, maybe 3 nanoseconds, which means LIDAR is based on time.

For the last few years the Skinwalker Ranch LIDAR paints objects below the ground which is impossible.

Travis said in theory only, is something slowing the time for the bounce back beam to slow down coming back to the equipment maybe 100 nanoseconds causing false readings ?

Travis, in theory only, said is there a time warp slowing time down at Skinwalkwr Ranch ?
 
For those of us who wonder what LIDAR is:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidar

"Lidar is commonly used to make high-resolution maps, with applications in surveying, geodesy, geomatics, archaeology, geography, geology, geomorphology, seismology, forestry, atmospheric physics,[6] laser guidance, airborne laser swathe mapping (ALSM), and laser altimetry. It is used to make digital 3-D representations of areas on the Earth's surface and ocean bottom of the intertidal and near coastal zone by varying the wavelength of light. It has also been increasingly used in control and navigation for autonomous cars[7]and for the helicopter Ingenuity on its record-setting flights over the terrain of Mars.[8]"

So it is making 3D representation of the mesa. It has nothing to do with slowing of time nor any warp. Light can travel at different speeds depending on the material it is passing through.
 
In your reference it states that LIDAR has to measure the time that it takes for the return signal to return.

It possible that something paranormal is slowing down the return signal.

For LiDAR to detect something in the ground is definitely a not possible situation.

Something is interfering with the signals making them not accurate.
 
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In your reference it states that LIDAR has to measure the time that it takes for the return signal to return.

It possible that something paranormal is slowing down the return signal.

For LiDAR to detect something in the ground is definitely a not possible situation.

Something is interfering with the signals making them not accurate.
So, as Lidar works by sending out short bursts of light ~ all-be-it in laser form, where light don't go, Lidar can't detect the bounce-back data? Then again, equally, if the signals can be scattered/or deflected away, then Lidar does not register any data/ground detail?
 
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As I understand it, if there is a return signal LIDAR measures it in nanoseconds and calculates the distance based on the speed of light.

It all depends on what happens to that return signal.
 
In your reference it states that LIDAR has to measure the time that it takes for the return signal to return.

It possible that something paranormal is slowing down the return signal.

For LiDAR to detect something in the ground is definitely a not possible situation.

Something is interfering with the signals making them not accurate.
My understanding of what I read is that LIDAR is used for mapping whether land or ocean floor ie terrain. It measures distances. So how are they using it for the mesa? Why are they using a technology that detects distance?

It is used in autonomous driving vehicles so that objects in the path of the vehicle are "seen" and the vehicle can determine distance between itself and the object and navigate.
 
And that is the root of the strangeness at Skinwalker Ranch.

The LIDAR experiments should show absolutely nothing out of the ordinary.

These experiments should detect nothing.

But for an example it detects a weird column over the petroglyphs area which is not visible to the eye.

This should not happen.

This is not possible.
 
And that is the root of the strangeness at Skinwalker Ranch.

The LIDAR experiments should show absolutely nothing out of the ordinary.

These experiments should detect nothing.

But for an example it detects a weird column over the petroglyphs area which is not visible to the eye.

This should not happen.

This is not possible.
You sum it up well. Too many things that should not happen (if our current understanding of physics is correct) do happen on the ranch. And on other ranches in Utah.
 
Yes, but only if the 'experiments' were set up as they should have been?
Well, the experiments were set up and described clearly enough. The problems seem to arise with the results obtained. As I have said many times here, experiments in physics assume that all the conditions remain constant and that results are verifiable. If we are in fact dealing with an intelligence, non-human in character, and perhaps much in advance of our current thinking, we can't make such assumptions. An intelligence can play games with us, introduce unknown factors, and (as we have seen at the mesa) can actively sabotage our efforts if it needs to. One notion that the team has never considered is simply attempting to communicate with the intelligence, maybe by just using an ordinary radio. Trying to get a response by blasting rockets at the area above the Triangle is pretty crude, I think.
 
Well, the experiments were set up and described clearly enough. The problems seem to arise with the results obtained. As I have said many times here, experiments in physics assume that all the conditions remain constant and that results are verifiable. If we are in fact dealing with an intelligence, non-human in character, and perhaps much in advance of our current thinking, we can't make such assumptions. An intelligence can play games with us, introduce unknown factors, and (as we have seen at the mesa) can actively sabotage our efforts if it needs to. One notion that the team has never considered is simply attempting to communicate with the intelligence, maybe by just using an ordinary radio. Trying to get a response by blasting rockets at the area above the Triangle is pretty crude, I think.
I sincerely believe that if any non-human intelligence saw the number of rockets launched in the triangle area, it would be difficult to respond to a communication. I think all these procedures are a bit crude.
 
Visitor, a former fighter pilot and UFO whistleblower, Ryan Graves helps Travis track a UAP on thermal imaging equipment.

 
Well, the experiments were set up and described clearly enough. The problems seem to arise with the results obtained. As I have said many times here, experiments in physics assume that all the conditions remain constant and that results are verifiable. If we are in fact dealing with an intelligence, non-human in character, and perhaps much in advance of our current thinking, we can't make such assumptions. An intelligence can play games with us, introduce unknown factors, and (as we have seen at the mesa) can actively sabotage our efforts if it needs to. One notion that the team has never considered is simply attempting to communicate with the intelligence, maybe by just using an ordinary radio. Trying to get a response by blasting rockets at the area above the Triangle is pretty crude, I think.
That's a very big if.
 
That's a very big if.
I would regard it now as a certainty. An inanimate ranch cannot react to researchers and their experiments in such a way as to confound their best efforts (e.g.) to drill into the mesa and uncover the large metallic object beneath; or to interfere with human surveillance equipment, or to deflect powerful rockets away from their intended target. Time and again the team's cleverly designed experiments are systematically frustrated. On one occasion everyone in the command centre heard their own voices echoing back to them with a slight delay. Wasn't that sending the message, "We can monitor all your conversations and plans"?
 
It seems to me that the point of discussion should not be what happens on those ranches but rather the way in which the information is presented. We can't infer too much based on a few minutes of a television episode. Clearly, much of the information is adapted to be presented in the program and we do not have access to the original documentation.
If our source of information is not verifiable, we cannot discern what really happens on those sites. I have mentioned numerous coincidences with cases that I have investigated in my country. However, these similarities do not establish anything more than that. Coincidences without being able to advance to a hypothesis based on scientifically verifiable facts.​
 
I think the Skinwalker Ranch group have presented exceptional evidence over the years that portals and UAPs do exist.
 
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Of course UAPs exist. Is there any doubt?

What we are discussing is if saying that a UAP is "alien" or even "other" is tenable.

Meanwhile we have an entertainment programme, the research side of which is presented in a manner which would probably fail a Scottish undergraduate degree dissertation. It is what it is of course - see Sharon Hill above

"People forget that TV shows are entertainment. Nobody at the network cares how accurate it is, they only care that you watch."

We can give them rope on the grounds that they must continue to be entertainment - but I'm still looking for the site where all the data are laid out for other people to look at in detail. Years before the programme aired a colleague contacted them and offered expertise in exchange for sight of the real data. Do we still have that tumbleweed guy? I don't have permission from his estate to publicise his (non)involvement but I'm happy to provide ID to a Mod to verify this chap was the real deal if anyone wants. Not that they can prove he made the offer and it fell on deaf ears, but they could confirm that my friend was someone who could have made good use of any data.

Skinwalker Ranch has been not-part-of-the-academic-community for YEARS! Which is why it is galling when enthusiasts say that academics ignore these areas of study :headbang:
 
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I think the Skinwalker Ranch group have presented exceptional evidence over the years that portals and UAPs do exist.
I agree that taken as a whole, the evidence presented has to be taken seriously. But we also have to look at why the issue of these ranches, Skinwalker and others, is being presented in popular TV programmes. Looking into the background and history we have to take this in the context of the UAP/UFO phenomenon. This is an area in which there are genuine sightings, mistaken observations, and also a huge amount of disinformation. Much of the latter involves using UAPs as an explanation for black project disasters, and here I would include famous cases such as Roswell, Kecksburg, and Rendlesham. We have another layer of complexity in the claim by von Braun's aide that he had very often referred to a long term plan to weaponise space using as an excuse an alleged alien threat. I am in no doubt that there is a very real UAP phenomenon, but the idea that craft of superior extraterrestrial origin are so hopeless that they crash all over the place and are then back engineered by Bob Lazar and co. is just ludicrous. Something very odd and very serious is going on behind the scenes and we can only guess what it is!
 
I think a really way out idea is that since the military occupied Skinwalker Ranch for 20 years, I think this is connected to the past stories of humanoids inside the Archuleta Mesa, Dulce, New Mexico.

Really very similar.
 
I just caught the last part of last nights Skinwalker Ranch, as I noticed that the Blaze programme listing was marked up as Oak Island!
Anyway, I did catch the section in which an light anomaly, (UAP), passed into the Mesa the out through the other side of the Mesa?
They reckoned it had passed through and into the Mesa then out again, but there's another way it may have appeared to been seen to pass through the Mesa. . .

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