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Not sure what is going on, but there are now many videos on youTube claiming to be episodes from the 4th series, and most of them are just a random mixture of clips from older episodes played out of sequence!
 
Not sure what is going on, but there are now many videos on youTube claiming to be episodes from the 4th series, and most of them are just a random mixture of clips from older episodes played out of sequence!
It's a scam to try to get views from people interested in the ranch. If they get enough views then they get money from Youtube.
 
It's a scam to try to get views from people interested in the ranch. If they get enough views then they get money from Youtube.
Yes, that's what I figured. But there are still plenty of good sources of info -- I was just watching a live interview with Brandon and he was asked specifically about many of the questions that have been raised here recently. One was regarding the TV crews and their equipment, and it seems they did experience multiple equipment failures (which is why they actually had more cameramen for each scene than normal), and also many of them did experience things themselves (some refused to return to the ranch afterwards). Even Bigelow has refused to return. Aside from the on site happenings many also experienced the hitchhiker effect and continue to suffer from that now.
 
I didn't hear about that story. It could be possible that a wolf is so used to humans it is not afraid of them, it happens when people in the city I live in start feeding coyotes, then the coyotes get brave and grab dogs that people are walking, it is a bad idea to feed wild animals but lots of people do it. We even had an incident 2 years ago where a 8 year old girl was walking her dog and the coyote went for her but t the little dog jumped the coyote to protect the girl. Unfortunately the coyote killed the dog before an adult could get to them. Maybe that was what was going on with that wolf.
I'd have said rabies. Loss of fear of man, taking bullets and running away - all speaks of either rabies or some other brain contagion.

Dunno about the size, although when people feel threatened, they quite often over estimate the size of the attacker.
 
I'd have said rabies. Loss of fear of man, taking bullets and running away - all speaks of either rabies or some other brain contagion.

Dunno about the size, although when people feel threatened, they quite often over estimate the size of the attacker.
No, rabies symptoms would cause the animal to attack, not run away. I agree that when people feel threatened they preceive things larger than they are or perceptions are different than when they are not threatened.
 
Sometimes I lack patience.

I would dynamite the face of the mesa if it is not on the Ute reservation.

Indian reservations are like independent countries, but under treaties the U.S. provides health care.
 
If you dynamited the mesa you would find nothing.

If (as I suspect) there is nothing there, the mesa would show nothing other than mundane geology and possibly some mundane but potentially interesting archaeology.
If I am wrong and the phenomenon in this region is somehow interdimensional, it would disappear as soon as you tried to investigate it.

You can't prove or disprove this sort of stuff, because it doesn't exist in our universe in any meaningful way.
 
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Sometimes I lack patience.

I would dynamite the face of the mesa if it is not on the Ute reservation.

Indian reservations are like independent countries, but under treaties the U.S. provides health care.
dynamiting the mesa would probably destroy what ever it is you are looking for. If they could undo the cave in that the Bigelow people did on that cave in the side of the mesa they might find something or at least be able to determine if anything is there or not.

Besides, if the mesa is made of granite dynamite will just make a small hole and reverberate around the canyons for a while so everyone will know that is what someone was doing.
 
dynamiting the mesa would probably destroy what ever it is you are looking for. If they could undo the cave in that the Bigelow people did on that cave in the side of the mesa they might find something or at least be able to determine if anything is there or not.

Besides, if the mesa is made of granite dynamite will just make a small hole and reverberate around the canyons for a while so everyone will know that is what someone was doing.
Dynamiting the Mesa - you'd probably just end up making a mess'a the place!
 
If you dynamited the mesa you would find nothing.

If (as I suspect) there is nothing there, the mesa would show nothing other than mundane geology and possibly some mundane but potentially interesting archaeology.
If I am wrong and the phenomenon in this region is somehow interdimensional, it would disappear as soon as you tried to investigate it.

You can't prove or disprove this sort of stuff, because it doesn't exist in our universe in any meaningful way.
You can't prove anything with science, but you can still study such phenomena and learn what you can. It does seem to exist in our universe, albeit partially. The great scientists of the past never said, "This is too difficult to study, it can't be explained by our current theories," they just went ahead and did what they could and in so doing they expanded the boundaries of Science -- isn't that what we all want to do?
 
Dynamiting the Mesa - you'd probably just end up making a mess'a the place!
do you know for sure that the mesa isn't granite under the top layer of dirt? Not much vegitation on the top so I suspect it is granite or other hard rock. I know about dynamiting things and the amount of mess depends on the type of rock you are trying to dynamite.
 
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Is it granite? I thought it was mainly sedimentary strata around there. Lot of oil and gas isn't there?
 
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That's not how that works. I mean... you can't just buy thousands of pounds of dynamite. There are rules, dude. I hate to even start but people don't use dynamite to remove huge areas of solid rock.
 
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That's not how that works. I mean... you can't just buy thousands of pounds of dynamite. There are rules, dude. I hate to even start but people don't use dynamite to remove huge areas of solid rock.
Interestingly I recall a discussion (I think in the 3rd series) about what looked like a previous attempt to use dynamite on the mesa. There was a suspicion that maybe Bigelow had been responsible, perhaps trying to obstruct an opening or cavern that he wanted to keep secret.
 
Is it granite? I thought it was mainly sedimentary strata around there. Lot of oil and gas isn't there?
I don't know if it is granite. I know that some of the rocks are that red rock, but you can't tell what is underneath. The hard rock on top is red so has Iron oxide in it, common in the south west. If it is sandstone, it is not hard. And the boulders that covered the cave looked like they could have been granite. And sedimentary strata does not describe what kind of rock it is, just that there are different layers with different rock.

And, yes, unfortunately there is a lot of oil and gas in some areas in the southwest. Maybe in that area of Utah, but there would be wells visible and I never see any of that when they pan out to the landscape. Also, if there were in that area, oil companies would have bought the ranch, not Bigelow or Fugal.
 
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That's not how that works. I mean... you can't just buy thousands of pounds of dynamite. There are rules, dude. I hate to even start but people don't use dynamite to remove huge areas of solid rock.
My dad and his friend tried that once, the friend bought a few acres on top of a rocky mountain and wanted to build a house. My dad was the only one he knew who had used dynamite (he worked for an oil company or two). And my dad had a geology degree so he should have known better, but I think beer was involved. They blasted the area where the guy wanted his house (drilled holes around it put sticks of dynamite in) blew it up and got a 2 ft deep, 10 X 6 hole in the granite. And the blast reverberated around the mountains for a long time.
 
You can't prove anything with science, but you can still study such phenomena and learn what you can. It does seem to exist in our universe, albeit partially. The great scientists of the past never said, "This is too difficult to study, it can't be explained by our current theories," they just went ahead and did what they could and in so doing they expanded the boundaries of Science -- isn't that what we all want to do?
I suppose if the decision to blow up the Mesa was to take place, then you might very well blow up the very evidence of what you are hoping to find which could prove totally futile.
 
Yes, Carl, you are right.

There was a discussion of a previous dynamite attempt at the mesa, but they didn’t know if it was the government or Bigelow.

I can not remember who said it, but it was claimed that there were entry ways into the mesa that were destroyed.
 
Yes, Carl, you are right.

There was a discussion of a previous dynamite attempt at the mesa, but they didn’t know if it was the government or Bigelow.

I can not remember who said it, but it was claimed that there were entry ways into the mesa that were destroyed.
I can't remember who said it but I can check from the notes that I make for every episode (Series 1 and 2 completed, just started series 3). There were suggestions that Bigelow had found some special metal bars and maybe he wanted to cover his trail. On the whole Brandon comes over as a more genuine and open guy than the rare videos I've seen of Bigelow. I'm wondering how many have seen the short 3-part series UFO? It's pretty good and leaves it to the viewer to judge whether the tictac business was genuine, or a clever deception by the Govt, with every possible viewpoint represented.
 
Also, not granite.
Generally, sandstone surface geology.
 
I can't remember who said it but I can check from the notes that I make for every episode (Series 1 and 2 completed, just started series 3). There were suggestions that Bigelow had found some special metal bars and maybe he wanted to cover his trail. On the whole Brandon comes over as a more genuine and open guy than the rare videos I've seen of Bigelow. I'm wondering how many have seen the short 3-part series UFO? It's pretty good and leaves it to the viewer to judge whether the tictac business was genuine, or a clever deception by the Govt, with every possible viewpoint represented.
It was in season 3, a guy from the bigelow days came to visit and took them up to see a cave but it had been buried under rubble, and someone said it was evidently purposeful demolition.
 
I don't know if it is granite. I know that some of the rocks are that red rock, but you can't tell what is underneath. The hard rock on top is red so has Iron oxide in it, common in the south west. If it is sandstone, it is not hard. And the boulders that covered the cave looked like they could have been granite. And sedimentary strata does not describe what kind of rock it is, just that there are different layers with different rock.
Er...granite is an igneous rock. It's intrusive, in that it doesn't stratify like sedimentary rocks such as limestone, sandstone or shale. The boulders covering the cave are unlikely to be granite, unless they were brought in from elsewhere of course. Which would be even dafter.
 
Er...granite is an igneous rock. It's intrusive, in that it doesn't stratify like sedimentary rocks such as limestone, sandstone or shale. The boulders covering the cave are unlikely to be granite, unless they were brought in from elsewhere of course. Which would be even dafter.
Non-technical people tend to use "granite" to name any hard rock because they can't tell the difference.

As I said above, there is no surficial granite here (although it constitutes the basement rock which you don't see because it's several hundred feet below).
 
Non-technical people tend to use "granite" to name any hard rock because they can't tell the difference.

As I said above, there is no surficial granite here (although it constitutes the basement rock which you don't see because it's several hundred feet below).
Apparently, they are planning to drill through it with an exploratory type of drill rig!
 
It was in season 3, a guy from the bigelow days came to visit and took them up to see a cave but it had been buried under rubble, and someone said it was evidently purposeful demolition.
Yes, the guy who said it looked like a deliberate demolition was a specialist.
 
Yawn...
and no doubt they will encounter some problems, which they will trumpet as 'anomalies' and 'interdimensional activity'. I've never seen so many instances of failure described as success.
Since you seem to find everything boring, maybe you should stop putting yourself through it and find another topic to debunk! For the record they did indeed find an anomaly, a large curved metallic structure, and they obtained samples. In an investigation like this, you can't just say they aren't doing the right experiments without explaining exactly what you would do if you were in their position!
 
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