The Nicola Bulley Disappearance (St Michael's On Wyre, Lancashire)

Don't know but there's a small lake Rowanwater very close to were she went missing.
the only cctv camera that showed the spot was the only one not working.
As far as I know the caravans are holiday.
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maximus otter said:
As the police have specifically stated that Faulding is not privy to any information that’s not already in the public domain, where is he searching, and based on what data?

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Late st interview with Faulding and Mark Williams Thomas


 
When a thread is this long it is easy to miss previous posts.

@queenofwands posted a link to an "armchair detective youtuber" who believes there was an incident around the caravan sites connected to the disappearance.

Others in early posts have mentioned the two caravan/mobile home sites.

They may be of no more or no less significance than any other property in the village.

But I hope the police had conducted door-to-door questions everywhere in the village in the 48 hours after her disappearance.

That said, it is easy to see why there was a focus on the river, because the phone and dog harness were found there.
And the dog nearby.
 
Victory said:
When a thread is this long it is easy to miss previous posts.

@queenofwands posted a link to an "armchair detective youtuber" who believes there was an incident around the caravan sites connected to the disappearance.

Others in early posts have mentioned the two caravan/mobile home sites.

They may be of no more or no less significance than any other property in the village.

But I hope the police had conducted door-to-door questions everywhere in the village in the 48 hours after her disappearance.

That said, it is easy to see why there was a focus on the river, because the phone and dog harness were found there.
And the dog nearby.
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The police will always carry out the procedures that they think are best practise, but they keep a lot of information to themselves, and only release it to the public when they need to.

But the media are only interested in selling papers and sensationalism.

I think in this case it is a mystery to everyone, including the police.
 
I think what frustrates a lot of online commentators is that the police in the UK are far far more tight-lipped than those in the USA or other countries. Even when it comes to cases which have been solved or look like they’re going nowhere, the British police simply won’t ever reveal most of the information they hold and what they do release is entirely on their terms. Compare this to things like the Madeline McCann investigation where the Polícia Judiciária released virtually their entire case files to the public, or the Steven Avery/Making A Murderer case where enough of the evidence was revealed publicly to make 20 hour long episodes about it.

I’m not saying one approach or the other is right or wrong but the absence of information, even about seemingly simple things like how and when exactly Nicola Bulley’s personal effects were found, certainly fuels a lot of the speculation.
 
Carse said:
I think what frustrates a lot of online commentators is that the police in the UK are far far more tight-lipped than those in the USA or other countries.

I’m not saying one approach or the other is right or wrong
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I will throw my hat into the ring and say the British approach is more right than wrong.

If you are trying to catch a criminal, or at least open to the possibility this disappearance might have criminal involvement, then keep your cards close to your chest.

Focus on the casework, not the press conferences.

Except where a press conference can make unforced errors from a suspect.
 
Victory said:
I will throw my hat into the ring and say the British approach is more right than wrong.

If you are trying to catch a criminal, or at least open to the possibility this disappearance might have criminal involvement, then keep your cards close to your chest.

Focus on the casework, not the press conferences.

Except where a press conference can make unforced errors from a suspect.
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Never more evident than in the recent case in the North West with the bloke who was shot and covered in acid in a quiet residential street. He was not known to the Police and the usual family response of couldn't understand it etc. Within a few days the Police had searched 20 houses all over the North West and subsequently arrested someone. The Police knew very quickly what it was all about. They're good at that.
 
Positing on the dog being shot at for chasing stock - it would pre suppose that the farmer was sitting around with the gun waiting for a dog to get in. Farmers have to have their shotguns kept under lock and key. If a dog got in with the stock, the farmer would have to go and fetch the gun and bring it back in order to shoot at the dog, by which time the owner has usually caught up with it.

Dogs that are shot whilst worrying sheep are usually repeat offenders which mean the farmer has been waiting for them - or the farmer coincidentally is out on his land with the gun when the dogs appear.

Any farmer who sits around with a loaded gun just in case an animal may chase their stock, is someone who should never be given a gun licence in the first place.
 
catseye said:
Positing on the dog being shot at for chasing stock - it would pre suppose that the farmer was sitting around with the gun waiting for a dog to get in. Farmers have to have their shotguns kept under lock and key. If a dog got in with the stock, the farmer would have to go and fetch the gun and bring it back in order to shoot at the dog, by which time the owner has usually caught up with it.

Dogs that are shot whilst worrying sheep are usually repeat offenders which mean the farmer has been waiting for them - or the farmer coincidentally is out on his land with the gun when the dogs appear.

Any farmer who sits around with a loaded gun just in case an animal may chase their stock, is someone who should never be given a gun licence in the first place.
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A farmer can always justify carrying a gun on their own land. The police are reluctant to intervene unless there are incidents.
If the gun is legally licensed and isn't left around for others to find, a farmer could carry one all day.
Especially if, as you say, they are aware of dogs or a particular dog worrying or attacking livestock.
 
escargot said:
A farmer can always justify carrying a gun on their own land.
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The long walk we went on through the Bedfordshire countryside around Millbrook yesterday passed through much farmland. There were multiple places where we found shotgun cartridges on the floor. And one bit of land which had several short towers erected in the middle of the fields to shoot from ('hides'?) and many specially placed tables along a tree line, clearly designed specifically for shooting from as they had rests for guns and boxes to hold ammo fixed to them.
I expect this is common across the country but people that spend their whole lives never leaving 'the city' would be oblivious to it.
@maximus otter would be best able to enlighten us on this.
 
Trevp666 said:
The long walk we went on through the Bedfordshire countryside around Millbrook yesterday passed through much farmland. There were multiple places where we found shotgun cartridges on the floor. And one bit of land which had several short towers erected in the middle of the fields to shoot from ('hides'?) and many specially placed tables along a tree line, clearly designed specifically for shooting from as they had rests for guns and boxes to hold ammo fixed to them.
I expect this is common across the country but people that spend their whole lives never leaving 'the city' would be oblivious to it.
@maximus otter would be best able to enlighten us on this.
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I've had a couple of close calls even when on public footpaths. Once I was on a path and there was a loud gunshot and a crow fell dead in front of me; another time I was taking my hiking group across the North Downs and there was a pheasant shoot going on off to one side, and we were showered with shotgun pellets falling from above.
 
Trevp666 said:
The long walk we went on through the Bedfordshire countryside around Millbrook yesterday passed through much farmland. There were multiple places where we found shotgun cartridges on the floor. And one bit of land which had several short towers erected in the middle of the fields to shoot from ('hides'?) and many specially placed tables along a tree line, clearly designed specifically for shooting from as they had rests for guns and boxes to hold ammo fixed to them.
I expect this is common across the country but people that spend their whole lives never leaving 'the city' would be oblivious to it.
@maximus otter would be best able to enlighten us on this.
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Clay pigeon shooting by the sounds of it, no actual pigeons hurt (unless they get in the way) and a nice little earner for the landowner.

However, there are an estimated 20 million wood pigeons in the UK and they are a major agricultural pest as they eat seeds as fast as they are sown. An estimated 5 million are shot by landowners each year so these could be for actual pigeon shooting (they happen to be quite tasty, too).

Pheasant and other game bird shooting is a more mobile affair, with the guns being on the high ground and the beaters working in the valley below to flush out the birds.

So lots of shotguns and .22 rifles out there everyday with a strict code of conduct when crossing public paths etc....
 
Mods: is it appropriate for us to be speculating to such an extent about a missing person investigation which is still very much live?

I'm not suggesting that any poster has overstepped a mark, and I think everyone is being more respectful than commenters on some newspaper sites; but I'd say the case hasn't even become "Fortean" yet. I'd feel more comfortable if we waited until the search has been wound down, or at least put on the back-burner, so that we could then regard it as a historic unsolved mystery. (Though of course I hope the lady will be found long before that might happen, and that it will be a happy ending.)
 
Online speculation is not inappropriate or unpleasant, as long as it's respectful and doesn't interfere with the ongoing investigation. Any news event will stimulate discussion or consideration. Media coverage isn't only to appeal for potential witnesses.

Fortean? Well, it's a mysterious disappearance.

And if any subject or news item is verboten until it's 'historic', what time period counts? After all, the McCann case is still 'live' and that's been ongoing for years.
 
Carse said:
I think what frustrates a lot of online commentators is that the police in the UK are far far more tight-lipped than those in the USA or other countries. Even when it comes to cases which have been solved or look like they’re going nowhere, the British police simply won’t ever reveal most of the information they hold and what they do release is entirely on their terms.
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There is an important difference between "in the public interest" and "of interest to the public."

In different ways, many members of the public, including us, are taking an interest in this case. Some might reasonably call this interest "prurient".

Few of us, if any, are directly affected by this person's disappearance. Few of us, if any, will be affected by the outcome.

There is as yet no reason to suspect a wider issue that puts other members of the public at risk. If there were, it would probably be a localised risk.

By sharing details indiscriminately, the police may be giving operational information to potential suspects.

After the event, details of how the investigation was handled will be in the public interest because there may have been failings that need to be rectified for future similar cases.
 
I feel sorry for the police. They are under pressure to release everything they know or suspect, and yet if they do that they may jeopardise either recovering the victim (still alive if possible) or apprehending the perpetrators (if any) and if they don't, it's assumed by many they are clueless.

Police work these days is saturated in procedure and documentation. It's nothing like fictional representation in books or on TV. 50 years ago there might have been some similarity, not now. Whether things have improved as a result is open to discussion - those relatives of people wrongly convicted in the 60's 70's and 80's would likely have different views to the relatives of victims.

There is a difference between being interested in the case and speculating among friends, and media sensationalism aimed at the prurient.

Cases involving attractive white females are particularly prone to irresponsible sensationalism.
 
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I think Nicola had been engaged to some extent in a Teams work call. That could have been a reason for not being focused on her dog's activity. IF that has anything to do with what happened to her.

As to the police disclosing information about an active investigation, I've been impressed by the radio silence after the University of Idaho slayings. They kept a lid on the investigation and did their work, even when the public were collectively having meltdowns over the lack of information provided. We've been swamped with the story in the US. Everyone has an opinion, and none of it is helpful - except to the budding criminal who is now informed about the treachery of his/her cell phone signal.

My sympathies go to her family and friends, and all those who are working on her case. I hope they solve her case soon. Godspeed, y'all.
 
SimonBurchell said:
I've had a couple of close calls even when on public footpaths. Once I was on a path and there was a loud gunshot and a crow fell dead in front of me; another time I was taking my hiking group across the North Downs and there was a pheasant shoot going on off to one side, and we were showered with shotgun pellets falling from above.
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We don't have public footpaths, but growing up on a farm with a wooded area, us kids always enjoyed walking in the woods.

We did not do this during hunting season as there might be hunters. Hunters usually respectfully (and as they should) would ask permission to hunt on our land.

Having an errant bullet was also a possibility, so we never even walked in the nearby field during hunting season.
 
A 49 year old male and a 20 year old female have been arrested in connection
with abuse of council officers re the Nickola Bulley case,
the male as been bailed the female is still in custody.
 
escargot said:
A farmer can always justify carrying a gun on their own land. The police are reluctant to intervene unless there are incidents.
If the gun is legally licensed and isn't left around for others to find, a farmer could carry one all day.
Especially if, as you say, they are aware of dogs or a particular dog worrying or attacking livestock.
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At the local inquiry into the Plymouth shootings, lawyers for the families are asking why even farmers should be allowed to possess guns at home...
 
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