The Outrageous Life & Suspicious Death Of Jeffrey Epstein

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Any blackmail material, such as footage, could be published anonymously.
 

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Any blackmail material, such as footage, could be published anonymously.
The point of blackmail material is NOT to publish it because after that it's no good as a threat.
Though publishing may be a strategy used to frighten the next victim if the outcome is bad enough.
 

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So why doesn't Party B laugh in their faces and say, "Yeah, publish and be damned." If party B puts even a moment's thought into it, they will see that Party C works with or for Party A, and the whole thing will blow up in Party A and Party C's face if the truth gets out, as much, if not more-so than Party B who can turn state's witness or equivalent to avoid the worst of the prosecution. The fact is, Party C's threat is hollow, and only a moment's consideration of the situation would reveal that to anyone. It is a hopeless blackmail ploy, as the blackmailer and his confederates are more guilty than the person allegedly being blackmailed, and any revelation will hurt them far more.
Parties A and C are not necessarily working together. Or anyway, Party B can't necessarily be sure they are.

Also, Party B doesn't see the threat as hollow as they don't their shenanigans publicised to any degree.
 

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Yes, it doesn't work if they find out you are bluffing. That doesn't mean blackmail is a good strategy, if you want customers to keep showing up.
 

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Yes, it doesn't work if they find out you are bluffing. That doesn't mean blackmail is a good strategy, if you want customers to keep showing up.
Yup, the blackmailer need to show how catastrophic such a revelation has already been, even if the it was done by someone else.
 

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So why doesn't Party B laugh in their faces and say, "Yeah, publish and be damned." If party B puts even a moment's thought into it, they will see that Party C works with or for Party A, and the whole thing will blow up in Party A and Party C's face if the truth gets out, as much, if not more-so than Party B who can turn state's witness or equivalent to avoid the worst of the prosecution. The fact is, Party C's threat is hollow, and only a moment's consideration of the situation would reveal that to anyone. It is a hopeless blackmail ploy, as the blackmailer and his confederates are more guilty than the person allegedly being blackmailed, and any revelation will hurt them far more.
You are assuming that Party A and Party C have a modicum of foresight and perception. One assumes that all these characters are completely devoid of those characteristics, otherwise they would steer well clear of the situations which are now being brought to light. The likes of Epstein and his ilk always underestimate the probability of being exposed.
 

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You are assuming that Party A and Party C have a modicum of foresight and perception. One assumes that all these characters are completely devoid of those characteristics, otherwise they would steer well clear of the situations which are now being brought to light. The likes of Epstein and his ilk always underestimate the probability of being exposed.
I would argue that whatever one might say about pedophiles, they generally have a modicum of understanding about how to avoid detection, and that requires a measure of common sense and tactics. Ultimately they are a very vulnerable group, being among the most hated of all criminals, and that means they need to be cunning.
 

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I would argue that whatever one might say about pedophiles, they generally have a modicum of understanding about how to avoid detection, and that requires a measure of common sense and tactics. Ultimately they are a very vulnerable group, being among the most hated of all criminals, and that means they need to be cunning.
Yup, and they all do roughly the same things. They don't learn this behaviour from the Peedo Correspondence School, it's instinctive.

So they do several of the following - look for a vulnerable victim, act friendly, isolate the victim, give gifts, incite minor misbehaviour, make the victim believe they've compromised themselves, blackmail the victim into participating in more serious acts, threaten the victim or their family with violence, threaten the victim with exposure to their elders, intimidate the victim into introducing others to the abuser, and so on.

The slyness and avoidance of detection shows that paedophila is not a sickness. They know it's illegal and they don't want to get caught.
 

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Just watched the 15:00 news.

One reporter on Sky referred to Ghislaine Maxwell as "Gillan".

She was born in France to a French mother and has a French name, which should be pronounced as "jizz-len".

Just switched back to the Grand Prix and heard Renault (I.e. "Ruh-no") pronounced as "rennow".

The mispronounciation that makes me cringe the most though has to be French town and football club Auxerre (which should be pronounces as "orks-air") mangled into something on Sky Sports like "oh-zair".

OK. rant over.
 

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Just watched the 15:00 news.

One reporter on Sky referred to Ghislaine Maxwell as "Gillan".

She was born in France to a French mother and has a French name, which should be pronounced as "jizz-len".

Just switched back to the Grand Prix and heard Renault (I.e. "Ruh-no") pronounced as "rennow".

The mispronounciation that makes me cringe the most though has to be French town and football club Auxerre (which should be pronounces as "orks-air") mangled into something on Sky Sports like "oh-zair".

OK. rant over.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/LL-Q150_(fra)-Jules78120-Auxerre.wav
 

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Looks like the repercussions are rippling outward...

From Auntie Beeb...
Deutsche Bank faces $150m fine for Jeffrey Epstein ties

Deutsche Bank has been hit with a $150m (£120m) fine for failing to properly monitor its relationship with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

New York state regulators said the bank had suffered "significant compliance failures", processing hundreds of transactions for the late financier.

Those included payments to Russian models and $800,000 in "suspicious" cash withdrawals.

Deutsche said it "deeply" regretted its relationship with Epstein.
 

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Yep - people seem continually surprised that high office and intelligence (and honesty sometimes) don't always go hand in hand. We see this continually in modern times.
Prince Andrew doesn't hold 'high office' for his honesty etc. but for his family position in society. A society which keeps denying the importance of class and tradition while at the same time insisting that class and tradition are important values to uphold in these modern times. Why else would the very rich still crawl to and entertain minor members of the aristocracy?* Because that to the majority of the 'common folk' (which has been conditioned to accept a posh accent and a certain blood line qualifies them as superior) being a Prince glosses over exactly what he is - a fat, privileged middle-aged, rich businessman.

The point of blackmail material is NOT to publish it because after that it's no good as a threat.
Though publishing may be a strategy used to frighten the next victim if the outcome is bad enough.
Exactly. Pour encourager les autres. Bring down the smaller target to threaten the bigger one.

Like paying an 'out of court settlement' doesn't legally admit to actual guilt (yeah, we all know many cases of that particular nonsense), paying a blackmailer doesn't necessarily admit to wrong-doing.
As seen in the wonderful The Naked Truth, if the blackmailer's 'bluff' is called then all they have to say is "well, if I admit to blackmailing you then I'll admit to all!" And all other victims will fight tooth and nail for the first one to have the courage to 'blow the gaffe' be silenced. A blackmailer on the scale of Epstein has set up a web of contacts and influences, as he set up a web of sexual victims for his own 'jollies'. It's a classic case of the exercise of power - "If I go down, I'll take you with me. So you'd better make sure I don't go down, eh?"

* It must be noted that while some royal families have fallen out of public favour (thanks to human rights abuses etc.), they retain influence thanks to their control of national wealth. The UK Royal Family have retained influence thanks to their irrelevance - they're squeaky clean (in the global market) because whatever peccadilloes are revealed are nothing in the "pervert/corruption" stakes. They are not courted due to their influence in UK politics, they are courted due to their 'innocence' and good reputation. Essentially, poisonous shits like Epstein would pander to Prince Edward to make himself look good.
 

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I would argue that whatever one might say about pedophiles, they generally have a modicum of understanding about how to avoid detection, and that requires a measure of common sense and tactics. Ultimately they are a very vulnerable group, being among the most hated of all criminals, and that means they need to be cunning.
I'm not convinced about this. The violent pedo teacher I came up against thought itself very clever and cunning, but it's tactics were so transparent to anyone who had a modicum of insight it would have been laughable if the matter was not so serious. What is so serious is the fact that Authorities much prefer to cover up these issues than tackle them which is what they tried to do in my case, albeit I made the final outcome for them very painful indeed.
 

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I'm not convinced about this. The violent pedo teacher I came up against thought itself very clever and cunning, but it's tactics were so transparent to anyone who had a modicum of insight it would have been laughable if the matter was not so serious. What is so serious is the fact that Authorities much prefer to cover up these issues than tackle them which is what they tried to do in my case, albeit I made the final outcome for them very painful indeed.
Yeah fair enough. People are all different, even pedophiles. They get all colors of hell in jail unless they can get protective custody. There is also not much of a life for them after jail. Humanity doesn't have much patience with those who prey on the young of the species, not even criminals. Being someone who morally outrages other criminals...hmmm... not wise.
 

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Looks like the repercussions are rippling outward...

From Auntie Beeb...
Deutsche Bank faces $150m fine for Jeffrey Epstein ties

Deutsche Bank has been hit with a $150m (£120m) fine for failing to properly monitor its relationship with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

New York state regulators said the bank had suffered "significant compliance failures", processing hundreds of transactions for the late financier.

Those included payments to Russian models and $800,000 in "suspicious" cash withdrawals.

Deutsche said it "deeply" regretted its relationship with Epstein.
...and in other news, people who sold groceries to Jeffrey Epstein get fined for doing so...
 

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...and in other news, people who sold groceries to Jeffrey Epstein get fined for doing so...
Yep it's pathetic. Banks are supposed to keep a watchful eye on money movements but Epstein goes "undiscovered". Yet I was virtually interrogated and was asked to show my passport for having £2000 in my PayPal account despite the fact that my PayPal account was years old. Needless to say I refused .Paying a few thousand into my ordinary bank account I was interrogated by some 18 year old bank clerk - the account was some 50 plus years old. One rule for some obviously.
I suspect there will be many more revelations to come, despite interested parties attempts at cover ups.
 

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The Guardian asks "who hasn't been seen with Ghislaine "Call me Gillan" Maxwell?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jul/08/ghislaine-maxwell-celebrities-instagram

Apparently she's rubbed shoulders with the Clintons, the Trumps, Piers Morgan, Elon Musk, Naomi Campbell, Michael Caine, Kevin Spacey and several members of the British Royal Family - including princess Diana.

OK, so Lady Di's probably not too concerned now, but I wonder how many other celebs out there may be getting a bit hot under the collar about what her with the stupidly pronounced first name might reveal when she gets into plea-bargaining territory?
 

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The Guardian asks "who hasn't been seen with Ghislaine "Call me Gillan" Maxwell?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jul/08/ghislaine-maxwell-celebrities-instagram

Apparently she's rubbed shoulders with the Clintons, the Trumps, Piers Morgan, Elon Musk, Naomi Campbell, Michael Caine, Kevin Spacey and several members of the British Royal Family - including princess Diana.

OK, so Lady Di's probably not too concerned now, but I wonder how many other celebs out there may be getting a bit hot under the collar about what her with the stupidly pronounced first name might reveal when she gets into plea-bargaining territory?
I wonder why Steve Bing took his own life ?
 

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The Guardian asks "who hasn't been seen with Ghislaine "Call me Gillan" Maxwell?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/jul/08/ghislaine-maxwell-celebrities-instagram

Apparently she's rubbed shoulders with the Clintons, the Trumps, Piers Morgan, Elon Musk, Naomi Campbell, Michael Caine, Kevin Spacey and several members of the British Royal Family - including princess Diana.

OK, so Lady Di's probably not too concerned now, but I wonder how many other celebs out there may be getting a bit hot under the collar about what her with the stupidly pronounced first name might reveal when she gets into plea-bargaining territory?
I bet Ms Silly-Name herself is stewing too, after what happened to Epstein. People* are openly speculating on social media about the manner of her upcoming mysterious death. She's a goner.

*me included
 
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