The Outrageous Life & Suspicious Death Of Jeffrey Epstein

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GM has apparently been denied bail, so plenty of opportunity there then for nefarious activity before trial next year.
 

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Well, all things considered, if you wanted a definite example of "flight risk" to present the judge, Ghislaine is it!
Yup, she wasn't giving up easily.

When the FBI rolled up to arrest her she wouldn't open the front door and was seen through a window running into another room and slamming the door.
When her phone was seized it was found to be 'wrapped in tinfoil in what appeared to be “a seemingly misguided effort to evade detection by law enforcement.”'

I feel that she just literally can't believe she has to face all the trouble she's in.
 

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If Epstein hadn't died, she could probably have gotten away with saying "The bad man made me do it". Now they need her to make an example of though.
 

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Is he?

I read he was ex-coastguard.

And the man who sold the property mentioned that they both had British accents. Borgerson is from Boston.
The US coastguard is part of the armed forces. That new york post link calls him british, but there is only references to him being born and educated in america. Course he could have faked an accent to the estate agent. I dont get how you could buy a house under false names? That cant be legal?
 

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The US coastguard is part of the armed forces. That new york post link calls him british, but there is only references to him being born and educated in america. Course he could have faked an accent to the estate agent. I dont get how you could buy a house under false names? That cant be legal?
Didn't know that.

The British Coastguard is not military.

The buyer will be an LLC, and they can let it to whomever they like. The trick is achieving sufficient legal 'distance'. They probably bought 'something' from somebody wealthy in order to channel the required funds to the person who kindly set up the paper company.

Edit: Seemingly easier than that in some states:
https://www.upcounsel.com/anonymous-llc
 

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She's a millionaire herself after her inheritance from her father and didn't need Epstein's money.
Was there any inheritance? That fat fucker robbed pension funds, there should have been no loot to hand on, it should have all gone back in the pot. Every penny.
(Yeah, I know, dream on)

An outright assassination is too obvious. How about a mysterious incident?
I'm going with that old favourite, the white Fiat Punto. Been a while since it had a run out, but I'm sure it's all oiled and ready to rock.
 

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Well that's not creepy at all...

Attorney General Barr was interviewed for TV. The interviewer asked him if he could keep Ghislaine from killing herself in prison.

His answer was "yes <lol>".
 
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Yup, she wasn't giving up easily.

When the FBI rolled up to arrest her she wouldn't open the front door and was seen through a window running into another room and slamming the door.
When her phone was seized it was found to be 'wrapped in tinfoil in what appeared to be “a seemingly misguided effort to evade detection by law enforcement.”'

I feel that she just literally can't believe she has to face all the trouble she's in.
I burst out laughing at the tinfoil thing when I heard it on the telly (shouldn't really as the whole thing is deadly serious). Shows how loony this woman is. Yep you're right she's in total denial. I doubt that there's any saving her now.
 

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Was there any inheritance? That fat fucker robbed pension funds, there should have been no loot to hand on, it should have all gone back in the pot. Every penny.
(Yeah, I know, dream on)



I'm going with that old favourite, the white Fiat Punto. Been a while since it had a run out, but I'm sure it's all oiled and ready to rock.
The fat fucker stole my father's pension (he was a long-time employee of crane-maker Stothert and Pitt in Bath that at one point came under the ownership of Maxwell). I'll be truly delighted if one of the family does time; the sons got off scot-free.
 

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A year is a long time in unpleasant jail conditions, knowing you are most likely never getting out again. Especially when it is in the best interests of so many powerful people for you to disappear.

Call me skeptical, but...
 

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Interesting word choice in the title there, hangs.
Techy reckons the use of terms like this is 'predictive programming', which prepare the public for what's to come.

I read this post out to Techy -
Well that's not creepy at all...

Attorney General Barr was interviewed for TV. The interviewer asked him if he could keep Ghislaine from killing herself in prison.

His answer was "yes <lol>".
Techy said 'Ah yes, predictive programming!'

:eek:
 

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Thing is, at it's core isn't the crimes possibly committed but the absolute and disgusting attitude that being wealthy (owning your own islands, the authorities being 'owned' by you and so on) is a perk of being rich!
They were buying in to the attitude that being rich means you are amoral! And the concept that if you have XYZ dollars in the bank makes you impervious to decency means that the pursuit of financial gain is worthy!
I just don't get it.
Yes - you can be a multimillionaire and be a moral, great guy. But all that money means you can operate to your own set of moral, ethical or personal standards.
Epstein was a pervert who was enabled by his money. Ghislane is a parasite who operated with the wealthy (thanks to her dodgy Dad) for her own motives.
The ones who should be in court are those who think money is more important than morals.
 

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buried lede:

"On Thursday, Salas was assigned to handle a class action lawsuit brought against Deutsche Bank by Ali Karimi on behalf of investors who purchased securities from the bank between November 7, 2017, and July 6, 2020. The complaint alleges that the bank "failed to properly monitor customers that the Bank itself deemed to be high risk, including, among others, the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein," federal court records show. "


A gunman killed a federal judge's son at her New Jersey home. He appeared to be dressed as a delivery driver, source says


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/us/federal-judge-esther-salas-shooting-investigation/index.html
 

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The paedophilia reported in An Open Secret was mainly perpetrated against boys. This made it both more outrageous and harder for the victims to talk about. I seem to remember watching it a year or so ago.
Why do you say it was more outrageous?
 

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Why do you say it was more outrageous?
I don't personally feel it was more outrageous, if that's what you're asking.
The documentary was intended to expose the abuse of young men and boys. This is a big taboo.

Thankfully, in recent years some young men have begun feeling able to come forward and confront men who have abused them. The case of the loathsome Barry Bennell (BBC News link) springs to mind. He abused hundreds of boys, some repeatedly. He'll die in prison.
 

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buried lede:

"On Thursday, Salas was assigned to handle a class action lawsuit brought against Deutsche Bank by Ali Karimi on behalf of investors who purchased securities from the bank between November 7, 2017, and July 6, 2020. The complaint alleges that the bank "failed to properly monitor customers that the Bank itself deemed to be high risk, including, among others, the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein," federal court records show. "


A gunman killed a federal judge's son at her New Jersey home. He appeared to be dressed as a delivery driver, source says


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/us/federal-judge-esther-salas-shooting-investigation/index.html
Yes! Twitter agrees:

How is the "hitman dressed as a FedEx driver killing the son and nearly the husband of the Judge that just got assigned to the Epstein case to dig through his Deutsche Bank dealings being found dead yesterday" not still the number one fucking story in the world?

Some good articles in the thread.
 

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I doubt the legal system has the ability to cope with someone who presumably learned all she knows from her father - who was never brought to book for anything. And has built on that knowledge. We all (well most of us) like superheroes, which are fiction, but we forget there are super villains as well - and they do exist in real life where their motivations tend to rotate about money than world domination (I feel the last couple of words need me to interject some insane laughter)
 

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A year is a long time in unpleasant jail conditions, knowing you are most likely never getting out again. Especially when it is in the best interests of so many powerful people for you to disappear.

Call me skeptical, but...
You could possibly imagine that you would be safer in prison than on the loose outside in these circumstances. Recent history suggests otherwise of course. Rock and hard place spring to mind. I hope those others who were involved are now requiring a change of underwear every 2 minutes.
 

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I don't personally feel it was more outrageous, if that's what you're asking.
The documentary was intended to expose the abuse of young men and boys. This is a big taboo.

Thankfully, in recent years some young men have begun feeling able to come forward and confront men who have abused them. The case of the loathsome Barry Bennell (BBC News link) springs to mind. He abused hundreds of boys, some repeatedly. He'll die in prison.
I'd been reading the Jimmy Saville thread and was trying to formulate my thoughts into a coherent post when I remembered your comment and thought it might be apposite to my thinking but wanted to check. :poet:
 

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Apparently in a press conference in the last few days Trump said of GM that he "wished her well" (twice in fact). Wonder if that was some sort of coded message? Having said that Trumpington has been boasting that he recently aced an intelligence test. One of the questions apparently involved the identification of a picture of an elephant (it was a test apparently designed to identify early onset dementia), so perhaps the suggestion of a coded message thing might have been beyond his level. You never know though.
 

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Apparently in a press conference in the last few days Trump said of GM that he "wished her well" (twice in fact). Wonder if that was some sort of coded message? Having said that Trumpington has been boasting that he recently aced an intelligence test. One of the questions apparently involved the identification of a picture of an elephant (it was a test apparently designed to identify early onset dementia), so perhaps the suggestion of a coded message thing might have been beyond his level. You never know though.
It could have simply been another one of his blandishments.
 

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We all (well most of us) like superheroes, which are fiction, but we forget there are super villains as well - and they do exist in real life where their motivations tend to rotate about money than world domination (I feel the last couple of words need me to interject some insane laughter)
Exactly.
It's a matter of perspective.
If you've been raised in a world where morality is what you define, where money isn't a goal but a reality, where you are surrounded by those who consider personal wealth to be a standard of value, then your morality is almost alien to many others.
Look around the globe, in economics, in politics - wealth equates with power. And power gives wealth. It's an almost inconceivable symbiosis. The bigger the amount, the more divorced from the majority. After all, the gaining of power and wealth is a goal to many ... how you use both depends on your own personality.
GM was born into wealth for wealth's sake. Her morality was dictated by those around her. In effect "we are rich so normal rules do not apply". Now, I for one, do not forgive her for her role in the whole sick affair. Guilty (in law) or not, she is a product of her social setting. Why should she consider herself doing wrong by providing poor children for her wealthy on/off boyfriend? He is rich and the poor are products, to use, abuse or discard. I honestly think she doesn't see - in herself - what she did wrong. If she expresses remorse, it is far from sincere; it's what her legal team told her to express.
Bottom line is there is a super-upper class. For right or wrong, they call the shots because they have shitloads of money, something that represents power in the international world. They've been born into obscene wealth and they look at those without it as ... not them. An alien species. They don't mean to be parasites but we've let them become such.

We - ordinary and 'not rich' - cannot know what it's like to inhabit the super-upper class world. Thus we can't understand the complete disconnect with 'our' world. We might - just might - understand a pervert who likes to have sex with small children. But we really can't understand a section of society who doesn't care about someones perversion ... because "they are one of us". To be brutal, we might accept someone who's a pervert but is rich for 'world domination'. We can't get our head around who is a pervert because they've been raised to see some people as objects ... and are rich.
In short - how can we, ordinary folk, communicate with those who were raised and indoctrinated with the idea that they are not ordinary.
They are elite so rules do not apply. :(
 
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