The Pentagon Finally Admits It Investigates UFOs

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The Pentagon has finally uttered the words it always avoided when discussing the possible existence of UFOs — “unidentified aerial phenomena” — and admits that it still investigates reports of them.

In a statement provided exclusively to The Post, a Department of Defense spokesman said a secret government initiative called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program “did pursue research and investigation into unidentified aerial phenomena.”

And while the DOD says it shut down the AATIP in 2012, spokesman Christopher Sherwood acknowledged that the department still investigates claimed sightings of alien spacecraft.

“The Department of Defense is always concerned about maintaining positive identification of all aircraft in our operating environment, as well as identifying any foreign capability that may be a threat to the homeland,” Sherwood said.

“The department will continue to investigate, through normal procedures, reports of unidentified aircraft encountered by US military aviators in order to ensure defense of the homeland and protection against strategic surprise by our nation’s adversaries.”

https://nypost.com/2019/05/22/the-pentagon-finally-admits-it-investigates-ufos/

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https://www.history.com/news/chris-mellon-ufo-investigations

"Could these crafts be…ours?
The first question all of us have asked when we've seen the information is: Could this possibly be one of our own programs, a highly classified U.S. test program?
I served in a capacity in which it was my job to conduct oversight of our black programs, and never saw anything of this kind on the books. Moreover, I was once actually specifically asked to determine whether we had a capability along these lines, in response to a query from the chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Senator Bobby Byrd.
I ran that all the way up the flagpole with the Air Force and others, and believe me, everyone respected Senator Byrd. No one was going to lie to him and risk his wrath. And the answer was, “Absolutely not. We don’t have a super-secret black triangle that can go at hypersonic speeds and all that sort of thing.”
Secondly, a technology like this is so radical, it can't just appear out of nowhere. There have to be facilities, there has to have been research and development, a prototype. We don't see any evidence of that anywhere.
Thirdly, these aircraft are being observed operating in and around carrier battle groups that are armed with air-to-air missiles and so forth. We never, to my knowledge, put at risk those personnel—or test personnel—by flying them in an uncoordinated manner against carrier battle groups. That's just not how we operate."
 

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https://www.history.com/news/chris-mellon-ufo-investigations

"Could these crafts be…ours?
The first question all of us have asked when we've seen the information is: Could this possibly be one of our own programs, a highly classified U.S. test program?
I served in a capacity in which it was my job to conduct oversight of our black programs, and never saw anything of this kind on the books. Moreover, I was once actually specifically asked to determine whether we had a capability along these lines, in response to a query from the chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Senator Bobby Byrd.
I ran that all the way up the flagpole with the Air Force and others, and believe me, everyone respected Senator Byrd. No one was going to lie to him and risk his wrath. And the answer was, “Absolutely not. We don’t have a super-secret black triangle that can go at hypersonic speeds and all that sort of thing.”
Secondly, a technology like this is so radical, it can't just appear out of nowhere. There have to be facilities, there has to have been research and development, a prototype. We don't see any evidence of that anywhere.
Thirdly, these aircraft are being observed operating in and around carrier battle groups that are armed with air-to-air missiles and so forth. We never, to my knowledge, put at risk those personnel—or test personnel—by flying them in an uncoordinated manner against carrier battle groups. That's just not how we operate."
No offense to any people mentioned in that article but I wouldn't trust the gubbermint on any comments like that.
It's quite possible that highly classified aircraft ,etc are hidden even from higher ups in the military via secret projects.
But I also don't think that the bulk of ufo reports are generated from covert/exp. aircraft.
I have always thought that the govt have been keeping tabs on the ufo phenom for a very long time(they would love to have such tech if it's real)...as to what they know..if anything...is the big question.
 

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No offense to any people mentioned in that article but I wouldn't trust the gubbermint on any comments like that.
It's quite possible that highly classified aircraft ,etc are hidden even from higher ups in the military via secret projects.
But I also don't think that the bulk of ufo reports are generated from covert/exp. aircraft.
I have always thought that the govt have been keeping tabs on the ufo phenom for a very long time(they would love to have such tech if it's real)...as to what they know..if anything...is the big question.
It's certainly possible that even Mellon would be kept in the dark, but he is on board with Podesta, Elizondo and everyone from TTSA. Elizondo and, iirc, Podesta have suggested that there are other government agencies (and foreign govs. studying UFOs, [and probably have been for quite some time, covertly behind the public studies]). But they have seen some evidence they are not allowed to talk about, and they are referring to these objects as "aircraft", so they are a technology, and not an earthly technology. And they are under intelligent control. Hynek long ago mentioned how ludicrous it would be to fly a super-secret advanced technology over every continent on the planet, violating airspace, flying in commercial air lanes, etc.
 

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It's certainly possible that even Mellon would be kept in the dark, but he is on board with Podesta, Elizondo and everyone from TTSA. Elizondo and, iirc, Podesta have suggested that there are other government agencies (and foreign govs. studying UFOs, [and probably have been for quite some time, covertly behind the public studies]). But they have seen some evidence they are not allowed to talk about, and they are referring to these objects as "aircraft", so they are a technology, and not an earthly technology. And they are under intelligent control. Hynek long ago mentioned how ludicrous it would be to fly a super-secret advanced technology over every continent on the planet, violating airspace, flying in commercial air lanes, etc.
I'm familiar with Podesta, Elizondo, etc...and I really don't think they are very far up the chain...nor that they know any real secrets.
I do think that some ufo reports are classified military craft but certainly not all. And while Hynek was a very intelligent man and I respect him greatly (I talked to him on the telephone once in the mid 80's before he died) like the rest of us his comments are speculative. Though it is more likely that the US Airforce would test planes in a remote area like 51 and not over public space....though they might want to see public reaction from time to time.
IMHO....no one knows the truth behind all of the ufo enigma because it probably has multiple answers to explain the various reports. I believe the govt has a good deal of data they have never shared but I'm not convinced they know the 'truth'....whatever that might be.
 

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I don't think they are privy to all secrets, but I think they know enough (and claim to), to say with some confidence that these craft are likely not from earth. The military interaction suggests intelligently controlled objects. Also objects have been over civilian areas and different countries from the beginning. I also think there are a variety of explanations for UFO phenomena, but I firmly believe that there is a non-human, highly advanced technology at the center of the UFO phenomenon, and it is certainly possible that a vareity of technologies are used by the creators of these objects.
 

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Christopher Mellon is, of course, an idiot. He is right that the US does not have a high-performance , super-secret black triangle on their books. He is wrong to say that these sightings (or at least a significant fraction of them) are not caused by misidentified US aircraft. Both the GIMBAL and the FLIR footage were probably caused by friendly aircraft a long way away.
 

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Christopher Mellon is, of course, an idiot. He is right that the US does not have a high-performance , super-secret black triangle on their books. He is wrong to say that these sightings (or at least a significant fraction of them) are not caused by misidentified US aircraft. Both the GIMBAL and the FLIR footage were probably caused by friendly aircraft a long way away.
We'll see! I am happy to admit I and others were wrong it that is the case.
 

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Apparently the military is dealing with UFOs regularly --around the world, even right off the east coast of the US; that's a lot of misidentified US top-secret aircraft mistaken all of the time by the military. No way.
 

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The Nimitz event occurred off Baja California, in 2004; but the GIMBAL film was taken off the East Coast at an unknown date (but before 2012, when AATIP was disbanded). This sounds to me like a few old sightings being rehashed to look like they happen frequently, rather than new data.
 

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Elizondo has mentioned that one of the things that will be coming out soon, is the surprising number of encounters the military is having with these things --around the world. Several times per month apparently. It wasn't just Fravor who got the Navy to say they were going to pay attention, there were enough other angry folks in the service who applied pressure to cause it. Apparently there are plenty of excellent videos that haven't been released. Two incidents wouldn't cause all of this; I suspect interaction has been stepped up alarmingly.
 

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This has been happening for SO long that the US military is, I am sure, much more aware of the real nature of the phenomenon; all of the events happening now already occurred back in the '50s --you can see that clearly in the old article archive. Apparently the information, knowledge and evidence is very compartmentalized in the branches of the military, intelligence community and private sector. Sometimes the Presidents are allowed in the loop, perhaps on a need to know basis. The Cometa report suggested such an approach. The reaction of the US government to the phenomenon demonstrates knowledge of the nature of the phenomenon, and our inability to deal with a far more advanced technology. They are the same types of objects seen in the '50s and long before that; in some cases the descriptions are identical. Same old stuff.
 

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Why do we seem to be assuming that all "top secret" aircraft sighted in the US must be of US (or extraterrestrial) origin? Other countries are also quite capable of developing advanced technology.
As Mellon mentions, their characteristics are totally unlike known craft, and there are no signs other superpowers can create them. Also they are like past UFOs seen in the ‘50s etc. Also, they are everywhere and their actions would not be tolerated were they from Russia, China, etc. would be war.
 

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As Mellon mentions, their characteristics are totally unlike known craft, and there are no signs other superpowers can create them. Also they are like past UFOs seen in the ‘50s etc. Also, they are everywhere and their actions would not be tolerated were they from Russia, China, etc. would be war.
For those interested here is a bio on Mellon..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Mellon
the fact he was Dep asst Sec of Defense, and staff dir. for Senate Intel committee....etc for a few years doesn't really impress me...that's a political appointment and one with no science background in most cases. In fact his degrees are in economics, etc...and not intel nor science nor military aspects. Having said that I seriously doubt he was ever in any loop for inside info on the ufo enigma., and the fact he has become involved with Tom De Longe;s group is even more discouraging. Anyone who knows what's going on with ufos wouldn't be farming themselves out to a group like that.....unless he's a plant there to mess them up. But then that gets conspiratorial. ;)

Regarding craft flying characteristics...I will agree they are unusual assuming they are actual craft and not 'something else'.
 

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Why would General McCasland be talking with Tom Delonge about UFOs? As revealed in the Podesta leaks?

https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/104776/major-general-william-n-mccasland/

"He mentioned he's a "skeptic", he's not. I've been working with him for four months. I just got done giving him a four hour presentation on the entire project a few weeks ago. Trust me, the advice is already been happening on how to do all this. He just has to say that out loud, but he is very, very aware- as he was in charge of all of the stuff. When Roswell crashed, they shipped it to the laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. General McCasland was in charge of that exact laboratory up to a couple years ago. He not only knows what I'm trying to achieve, he helped assemble my advisory team. He's a very important man. Best, Tom DeLonge"

Before him there was Craigie:
http://www.presidentialufo.com/old_site/truman_ufo_promise.htm
 

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I know someone (she was a tween at the time) who knew Craigie --she claimed he said we shouldn't be afraid of UFOs, and that he had "promised the air force he wouldn't talk about them" She had no idea who he was until I told her about him and the rumors.. She said he acted very distracted all of the time.
 

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I know someone (she was a tween at the time) who knew Craigie --she claimed he said we shouldn't be afraid of UFOs, and that he had "promised the air force he wouldn't talk about them" She had no idea who he was until I told her about him and the rumors.. She said he acted very distracted all of the time.
Craigie and Project Sign:
https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/condonreport/full_report/appndx-s.htm
And... No surprise:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimate_of_the_Situation
 

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This DeLonge group thing has been going on for years now....and nothing has come out to change anyone's mind, cultural expectations, or provide us with anything to show that aliens are here buzzing the planet...the only people who are interested and still believe once again.......are the 'believers'.
If they are going to alter the scene then they need to either s**t or get off the pot.
 

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"He mentioned he's a "skeptic", he's not. I've been working with him for four months./QUOTE]
In what capacity?

Also, putting on my conspiracy hat, the attention Tom Delonge is getting is distracting us from the truth! Anyone else think Tom is a government stooge?
 

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I am usually distrustful of people getting involved in these ufo-alien movement groups...like Greer and DeLonge...and a few others over the years.
While it's possible they genuinely care it's just as likely they are either in it for fame and cash or are being used for some other reason.
 

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I am usually distrustful of people getting involved in these ufo-alien movement groups...like Greer and DeLonge...and a few others over the years.
While it's possible they genuinely care it's just as likely they are either in it for fame and cash or are being used for some other reason.
Yeah I seriously don't think that a minor ex celeb has any influence but many do. They had one hit ffs!
 

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I'm going to add this here.

Just because Tom Delonge had a successful musical career it does not suddenly promote him to be the go-to expert on anything UFO related.
 

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Yeah I seriously don't think that a minor ex celeb has any influence but many do. They had one hit ffs!
Well...one look at the website seems to indicate money is involved here (brands are listed as well as media...scroll down to see this ) more than simply trying to 'get out the truth' on ufos. I'm not against making a living but this seems far beyond that....to the $tar$ indeed.
https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/
 

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In what capacity?

Also, putting on my conspiracy hat, the attention Tom Delonge is getting is distracting us from the truth! Anyone else think Tom is a government stooge?
I think members of the military and government see Tom as a way to introduce the subject to youth and popular culture to get people thinking about it.
 

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Well...one look at the website seems to indicate money is involved here (brands are listed as well as media...scroll down to see this ) more than simply trying to 'get out the truth' on ufos. I'm not against making a living but this seems far beyond that....to the $tar$ indeed.
https://dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/
They need $ to continue research, are transparent about that.
 

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I'm going to add this here.

Just because Tom Delonge had a successful musical career it does not suddenly promote him to be the go-to expert on anything UFO related.
He seems silly sometimes, but he is actually a pretty good writer, a popular writer, and his fiction is designed to explore the UFO topic.
Other pop and rock stars are interested, and a surprising number have seen 'em:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/music/articles/d09fdaf6-ca65-427d-8177-25f209ad9c3b
 
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