The Pentagon Finally Admits It Investigates UFOs

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A UFO could set down at the White House, and some people would still say fake news.

I think the evidence is overwhelming that we are not alone.

As far back to Eisenhower, Churchill, and J. Edgar Hoover, these people knew they had a problem to deal with trying to explain what was going on.
 

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It's not skeptics per se that I object to; it's skeptics who are not open-minded and make blanket unscientific and biased statements.
 

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A UFO could set down at the White House, and some people would still say fake news.

I think the evidence is overwhelming that we are not alone.

As far back to Eisenhower, Churchill, and J. Edgar Hoover, these people knew they had a problem to deal with trying to explain what was going on.
Absolutely; and that's the futility of our endeavor, and the nature of contact for the same reason, also. Sigh...
 

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I'll post what I have elsewhere:

After a decade of arguing with skeptics in online forums and at presentations about the reality of the UFOs after having my own experience in 2010, I have come to a number of conclusions about our species, what "disclosure" would mean for our societies and civilization, and the intelligence and intent behind the UFO phenomenon.

1. There very likely won't ever be any big announcement or Disclosure or a coming clean by the United States or other superpowers about what it knows about the phenomenon; the government intelligence agencies know that we are not prepared for it. There may be oblique statements or studies but they will never gain traction (see #2). And there is no reason to fess up to what we know when we don't know or trust what other countries know about UFOs. Knowledge is power, and extraordinary knowledge could bestow extraordinary power; no reason to just give that treasure away. Not to mention every country in the world would demand the evidence to be provided as of import to all humans. Not gonna do it..

2. Many people are afraid of the phenomenon and don't want to know about it. I've encountered this over and over again from family and friends; even many people who believe they are real or have even seen them, don't want to focus on them for too long or research them. Many don't even mention it, because they would be worried about the stigma. UFOs are not a normal part of the comfortable, fake belief in human exceptionalism and normalcy we crave and that our reality and major religions are built upon. And then you have all kinds of folks with Hollywood ideas about aliens or are unable to rid themselves of the humanocentric Star Trek idea of what aliens woule be like --including scientists.

3. This is as much contact as we can handle. We wouldn't be able to deal with constant alien contact or interaction with their devices as an inferior species. Many would literally lose their minds. Our civilization would be disrupted and destroyed. If there was disclosure from the government, some would (and do, in the government even) believe that UFOS are a demonic manifestation.. Can't you just hear Pat Robertson?
Others would believe it is a false flag event and wouldn't accept it. Scientists and skeptics wouldn't believe it unless THEY THEMSELVES tested the materials and talked directly with the aliens etc., and that is not going to happen (see #1).

4. Even if good evidence was provided, it wouldn't be accepted; extraordinarily entrenched paradigms
require extraordinary evidence. The kind of evidence skeptics would want may not be available; anecdotal accounts from reliable witnesses, mass sightings, hours of viewing through telescopes, gun sights, theodolites and binoculars, interceptions in the air recorded on multiple sensors and with visuals too... The obvious historicity of the phenomenon are not enough for them. In fact, if the visitors are or ever were to become hostile we would be destroyed before the skeptics even believed they were real; just think of all of the encounters or sightings in the past that could have been the delivery of a weapon --we are completely at the mercy of the phenomenon and any hostile visitors in the future, because folks with entrenched paradigms would not accept that something is going on. Think about how controversial global warming is or the existence of the Coronavirus pandemic.. The Greek Dark age, or the intelligence of animals.

This is why I have given up on skeptics and most scientists...
The way to maintain contact with a much more primitive species is to initiate a program of contact that doesn't cause a tipping point or hostile response. The way is to insert yourselves slowly into the peripheral vision of the species over time, while demonstrating to the militaries of that species that they are powerless and in the presence of something far more advanced. Eventually over half of the population will know yon are real and some individuals will have had profound knowledge or experiences that will gradually lead to an understanding of the situation. It is how all contact should be done, and very similar to how we interact with animals species or isolated tribes with little contact with the rest of the world. This way a big Independence Day style, disaster is avoided with the apes that can't get along with each other because of the colors of their skins and crazy belief systems --the ones which have destroyed 2/3 of the other animal life on the planet.... Us.
 

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The grave threat to National Security posed by these UAP sightings is due to the fact that they expose the inadequacies of the remote sensing equipment they are using.

I have no doubt that the FLIR1, GOFAST and GIMBAL clips all show mundane phenomena, as has been repeatedly demonstrated elsewhere. But these 'classified briefings' cannot disclose this, since it would entail a detailed discussion of the capabilities of the various defence systems involved, and their inadequacies.
 

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It's not skeptics per se that I object to; it's skeptics who are not open-minded and make blanket unscientific and biased statements.
I am very enthusiastic about the prospect of detecting or making contact with alien life. I am also dedicated to the scientific analysis of such sightings that exist. All the analysis so far seems to point in the direction of an absence of extraterrestrial presence in our system.
 

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1. There very likely won't ever be any big announcement or Disclosure or a coming clean by the United States or other superpowers about what it knows about the phenomenon; the government intelligence agencies know that we are not prepared for it.
I see no reasonable prospect that the various governmental or military powers around the world (many of which are rivals, or deeply antagonistic to one another) would all agree to keep evidence of extraterrestrial presence secret. This does not make any sense.
 

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I see no reasonable prospect that the various governmental or military powers around the world (many of which are rivals, or deeply antagonistic to one another) would all agree to keep evidence of extraterrestrial presence secret. This does not make any sense.
They haven't though; it's mostly the US doing that, and as skeptics have suggested, it's too big to cover up something like that, thus the sieve-like leaks.
 

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I am very enthusiastic about the prospect of detecting or making contact with alien life. I am also dedicated to the scientific analysis of such sightings that exist. All the analysis so far seems to point in the direction of an absence of extraterrestrial presence in our system.
Well hang in there! We need smart cookies like yrself to come around... :)
 

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They haven't though; it's mostly the US doing that, and as skeptics have suggested, it's too big to cover up something like that, thus the sieve-like leaks.
I'm afraid I do not see any good evidence coming from governments elsewhere in the world either. Just more inconclusive sightings. No contact, no material evidence, no DNA or technological relics, no bodies, no fossil or archaeological evidence, no astronomical evidence, no communication with the aliens. Nothing. Just lights in the sky.
 

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While I won't echo eburacum's post above I also think we have yet to get any actual public evidence showing 'extraterrestrial' spaceships or aliens visiting earth. But...based on what I have read over the last 50 years I do believe that some form of 'non human intelliegnce' seems to have interacted with humans on earth for a long time now-centuries perhaps. It doesn't mean it's space aliens- it could be dimensional, alternate reality, metaphysical, or even paranormal , depending on what terminology one wishes to use.
We simply don't know. And what interests me lately is the new models of consciousness and how we relate to reality , what reality is, and why we might not be seeing the true nature of reality in our day to day actions and experiences.
 

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All the analysis so far seems to point in the direction of an absence of extraterrestrial presence in our system.
Perhaps an absence of intelligent, spacefaring extraterrestrial life in our near vicinity - but that does not mean there is no extraterrestrial life.
Perhaps the first actual aliens we encounter will be microbes or small organisms.
 

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I believe I have posted this before, but the military should be investigating "unknown aerial phenomenon", it would be a matter of national security if there were unidentified objects in a nations airspace. Maybe it's a foreign spy plane, maybe it's a radar glitch.
 

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It's not skeptics per se that I object to; it's skeptics who are not open-minded and make blanket unscientific and biased statements.
Some years ago, just out of curiosity I suppose, I took my favourite UFO image to a hard-core sceptics forum:

Said image and background to same is on another thread here:

https://forums.forteana.org/index.p...is-triangular-ufo-sighting.66394/post-1935137

One subscriber's vehement insistence was the witness had seen a microlight.

Despite my reasoned response and conservative language - when what you really want to say is, 'how the feck can this be a microlight, ya eejit' - nope.. that was their explanation and end of the matter. Case solved.

I could out-sceptic most of them, but at least I would cite something along the lines of actual evidence!

So, that was my one and only visitation there.

If your mind's already made up beforehand...

I have on video the recording of an interview with both the late Graham Birdsall and Stanton Friedman - an early morning chat show which featured the upcoming UFO Magazine annual conference - in which questioned on his belief re Roswell, Stanton replies, "I'm a sceptic, I check things out'.

That'll do for myself as well. :)
 

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Well, again, I think it is pointless to engage skeptics, for the reasons I listed, (see below). It's all part of the situation; there will be skeptics etc., and that won't change. I guess I initially felt I had an obligation to tell people about my experience and what I had found, but ultimately came to the conclusions below, which give me even more respect for the phenomenon. Again, I am on forums now to wait it out; periodically I become engaged in debates that always end the same way for the same reasons, as elaborated again, below. So I am content with the situation, as I know we are not in control of the situation.
1. There very likely won't ever be any big announcement or Disclosure or a coming clean by the United States or other superpowers about what it knows about the phenomenon; the government intelligence agencies know that we are not prepared for it. There may be oblique statements or studies but they will never gain traction (see #2). And there is no reason to fess up to what we know when we don't know or trust what other countries know about UFOs. Knowledge is power, and extraordinary knowledge could bestow extraordinary power; no reason to just give that treasure away. Not to mention every country in the world would demand the evidence to be provided as of import to all humans. Not gonna do it..
2. Many people are afraid of the phenomenon and don't want to know about it. I've encountered this over and over again from family and friends; even many people who believe they are real or have even seen them, don't want to focus on them for too long or research them. Many don't even mention it, because they would be worried about the stigma. UFOs are not a normal part of the comfortable, fake belief in human exceptionalism and normalcy we crave and that our reality and major religions are built upon. And then you have all kinds of folks with Hollywood ideas about aliens or are unable to rid themselves of the humanocentric Star Trek idea of what aliens woule be like --including scientists.
3. This is as much contact as we can handle. We wouldn't be able to deal with constant alien contact or interaction with their devices as an inferior species. Many would literally lose their minds. Our civilization would be disrupted and destroyed. If there was disclosure from the government, some would (and do, in the government even) believe that UFOS are a demonic manifestation.. Can't you just hear Pat Robertson?
Others would believe it is a false flag event and wouldn't accept it. Scientists and skeptics wouldn't believe it unless THEY THEMSELVES tested the materials and talked directly with the aliens etc., and that is not going to happen (see #1).
4. Even if good evidence was provided, it wouldn't be accepted; extraordinarily entrenched paradigms
require extraordinary evidence. The kind of evidence skeptics would want may not be available; anecdotal accounts from reliable witnesses, mass sightings, hours of viewing through telescopes, gun sights, theodolites and binoculars, interceptions in the air recorded on multiple sensors and with visuals too... The obvious historicity of the phenomenon are not enough for them. In fact, if the visitors are or ever were to become hostile we would be destroyed before the skeptics even believed they were real; just think of all of the encounters or sightings in the past that could have been the delivery of a weapon --we are completely at the mercy of the phenomenon and any hostile visitors in the future, because folks with entrenched paradigms would not accept that something is going on. Think about how controversial global warming is or the existence of the Coronavirus pandemic.. The Greek Dark age, or the intelligence of animals.
This is why I have given up on skeptics and most scientists...
The way to maintain contact with a much more primitive species is to initiate a program of contact that doesn't cause a tipping point or hostile response. The way is to insert yourselves slowly into the peripheral vision of the species over time, while demonstrating to the militaries of that species that they are powerless and in the presence of something far more advanced. Eventually over half of the population will know yon are real and some individuals will have had profound knowledge or experiences that will gradually lead to an understanding of the situation. It is how all contact should be done, and very similar to how we interact with animals species or isolated tribes with little contact with the rest of the world. This way a big Independence Day style, disaster is avoided with the apes that can't get along with each other because of the colors of their skins and crazy belief systems --the ones which have destroyed 2/3 of the other animal life on the planet.... Us.


My UFO Experience: https://tinyurl.com/y5hsoblv
 

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Some years ago, just out of curiosity I suppose, I took my favourite UFO image to a hard-core sceptics forum:

Said image and background to same is on another thread here:

https://forums.forteana.org/index.p...is-triangular-ufo-sighting.66394/post-1935137

One subscriber's vehement insistence was the witness had seen a microlight.

Despite my reasoned response and conservative language - when what you really want to say is, 'how the feck can this be a microlight, ya eejit' - nope.. that was their explanation and end of the matter. Case solved.

I could out-sceptic most of them, but at least I would cite something along the lines of actual evidence!

So, that was my one and only visitation there.

If your mind's already made up beforehand...

I have on video the recording of an interview with both the late Graham Birdsall and Stanton Friedman - an early morning chat show which featured the upcoming UFO Magazine annual conference - in which questioned on his belief re Roswell, Stanton replies, "I'm a sceptic, I check things out'.

That'll do for myself as well. :)
Well not to get repetitive again, the idea that these things are Russian or Chinese items is silly, no reason to elaborate (see Chris Mellon). If these were natural phenomena, we and other countries wouldn't be studying them over and over again in secret and referring to them as "aircraft" and trying to weaponize the technologies involved; we would have figured out what they were a long time ago. They are under intelligent control.
 

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You recalled:

"As I neared the area, I watched the car in front of me disappear into the distance --as if I had somehow slowed down, or was stuck in some kind of time warp. Everything was lush and green, and as I drove past a grove of trees on the right, I turned to look out to the distance, and.. I was confronted with five bright glowing objects".

The only article I can find and which might be related - exact same location and time:

McMinville Courier-Express

Car carrying shipment of LSD overturns on I-5, fears that other drivers may have been affected. :reyes:

Seriously though, the first thing that resonates is your above description of something... 'disassociated' occurring, before the lights observation.

Do you reckon that's connected?

Was there a sudden sense of... 'unreality' right from the beginning?
 

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I believe I have posted this before, but the military should be investigating "unknown aerial phenomenon", it would be a matter of national security if there were unidentified objects in a nations airspace. Maybe it's a foreign spy plane, maybe it's a radar glitch.
Yeah and they have been for decades. The reality is that most of the weirdness was well... like Eburacum says:
I'm afraid I do not see any good evidence coming from governments elsewhere in the world either. Just more inconclusive sightings. No contact, no material evidence, no DNA or technological relics, no bodies, no fossil or archaeological evidence, no astronomical evidence, no communication with the aliens. Nothing. Just lights in the sky.
If you count all of the reports, there's giant piles of evidence, but most of it's barely even abnormal let along proof of... anything. Which goes back to the analogy of sifting wheat from chaff.... where's the wheat?

They get radar echoes... of what?
odd lights... that might be aircraft... or not.

I don't know what sorts of classified files the Pentagon has hidden away, but what IS public... isn't much to go on.
there's stuff like the Rendlesham Forest incident... It happened on British soil, but since US military personnel were involved there's files at the Pentagon. We don't have those, the public record is at best fragmentary.
The Rendlesham Forest Incident | Part One - YouTube
The Rendlesham Forest Incident | Part Two - YouTube
What actually happened? we can only speculate. the scary part is when you ask IF anyone knows. hard to say. It's possible no one knows what happened, not even the people who saw it.
 

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I believe I have posted this before, but the military should be investigating "unknown aerial phenomenon", it would be a matter of national security if there were unidentified objects in a nations airspace. Maybe it's a foreign spy plane, maybe it's a radar glitch.
I would note that the FLIR1 clip recorded by Chas Underwood showed a craft that was probably 50 kilometres away from his position, and which behaved in the way an ordinary domestic aircraft might be expected to do.

The exact direction his cameras were pointing is not completely clear (this happened in 2004, after all) but there is a significant chance that the camera was pointing towards the flight path into San Diego Airport, and he was recording an airliner starting its final approach.
 

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I have no doubt that there is life elsewhere in the universe, and probably elsewhere in our own galaxy. There are so many stars, and so many planets, that if life could have evolved on Earth, it must surely have evolved elsewhere.

However, given the distances involved, I consider it unlikely that an alien species would physically visit Earth. We know the commitment required for a round trip to Mars. A round trip of several light years from another star system would be many times more onerous.

Any intelligence that could reach us by quicker means (warp drive, wormholes in space, quantum leaps, or whatever) would have a phenomenal level of technology compared to ours.

If an intelligent alien race travels all the way to Earth from a distant star system, they must surely have one of 4 objectives:
  1. To study us without risk of detection. The obvious thing would be to stay in orbit and observe remotely rather than flitting about shadowing jet fighters and air liners, or landing near quiet stretches of road and startling lone motorists, or probing people's bottoms.
  2. To communicate with our governments without alerting the populace. Again, staying in orbit would be the obvious thing, and using any of several communication methods such as radio.
  3. To establish contact with the wider populace, taking control of the knowledge out of governments' hands, in which case, why not land somewhere busy where there can be no doubt of what was seen by thousands of people? Why has one never landed on a flat stretch of desert just outside a major city?
  4. To exploit our resources — although it is difficult to imagine what we have that they would lack if they have sufficient resources to reach us in the first place — in which case, they would be powerful enough to take it without shillyshalling about being all secretive.
I suspect that if aliens ever did approach Earth, we would either never know, or we'd be left in no doubt.
 

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The question to ask is what would happen if contact by a superior intelligence occurred in any other way than it is now...
 

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I have always wondered what would happen if the Pentagon said to the world, we are not alone.

If the humanoids were peaceful, this would not bother me at all.
 

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....the Rendlesham Forest incident... It happened on British soil, but since US military personnel were involved there's files at the Pentagon.
No, there are none, because at the time it wasn't even a big deal at the MOD.

You add: "It's possible no one knows what happened, not even the people who saw it".

There has been vast amounts of factual evidence revealed on this forum, which explains much of what actually occurred.

See also, on Wikipedia, reference to the pivotal witness statements I uncovered over 20 years ago!:

Statements from eyewitnesses on 26 December

In 1997, Scottish researcher James Easton obtained the original witness statements made by those involved in the first night’s sightings. One of the witnesses, Ed Cabansag, said in his statement: "We figured the lights were coming from past the forest since nothing was visible when we passed through the woody forest. We would see a glowing near the beacon light, but as we got closer we found it to be a lit-up farmhouse. We got to a vantage point where we could determine that what we were chasing was only a beacon light off in the distance." Another participant, John Burroughs, also stated: "We could see a beacon going around so we went towards it. We followed it for about two miles [3 km] before we could [see] it was coming from a lighthouse."

Burroughs reported a noise "like a woman was screaming" and also that "you could hear the farm animals making a lot of noises." Halt heard the same noises two nights later. Such noise could have been made by Muntjac deer in the forest, which are known for their loud, shrill bark when alarmed".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren...t#Statements_from_eyewitnesses_on_26_December
 
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