The Sasquatch Thread

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stuneville said:
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Lots to wade through, will post back later when I've time to work out what I think :).
oldrover said:
What surprises me is that the faithful don't seem to be taking this very seriously either.
No. I'm not, now I've had a chance to wade a bit.
Just to emphasise that I don't consider you or anyone else here to be what I'd tend to think of as 'the faithful'.

I'd say it has to be obvious though that in this matter an innocent explanation is impossible.
 

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Actually now I think of it one and two of your list of possible scenarios might possibly hold up, I'm not saying they do of course just that it's not impossible. Speaking purely from a humane perspective, I'd rather think it was option three.
 

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In some of the correspondence elsewhere about these recent doings, I've seen reference to Ketchum comparing herself in her recent labours and travails and being scorned / rejected / misunderstood, to Galileo and to Jesus Christ. Protesting too much, just a bit? Her carrying-on this way would tend to reduce her credibility -- suggesting that she isn't very stable, and / or she's consciously involved in fraud and fakery.
 

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suggesting that she isn't very stable
That's the thing, if this is all just the result of delusion rather than trickery it'd be very sad.
 

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amyasleigh said:
In some of the correspondence elsewhere about these recent doings, I've seen reference to Ketchum comparing herself in her recent labours and travails and being scorned / rejected / misunderstood, to Galileo and to Jesus Christ. Protesting too much, just a bit? Her carrying-on this way would tend to reduce her credibility -- suggesting that she isn't very stable, and / or she's consciously involved in fraud and fakery.
I group this in with the claims she was raped by a Bigfoot, and that one braided her horse's mane. Maybe it is true(as an open minded Fortean :p ), but if she had more common sense she'd have kept her mouth shut about that and focused on provable facts.
It is also possible that she is having mental issues.
 

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Bigfoot DNA

In the first half of Sunday's show, Dr. Melba S. Ketchum joined George Knapp to discuss the official release of her DNA analysis of possible Bigfoot hair samples. Her publication titled "Novel North American Hominin" is available for paid download through the DeNovo Journal. Ketchum's findings were based on the analysis of 111 samples of blood, tissue, hair, and related materials sent in to her lab by Sasquatch researchers and eyewitnesses. Mitochondrial DNA testing revealed that the hair was human in origin, yet a forensic hair specialist examined the specimens and declared them to be novel-- "it was not human hair and didn't match any of his animal knowns it was tested against," he told her.

When it came to testing the nuclear DNA of the samples "we started getting really strange results," she said, "with weird looking bands that were all different sizes." One testing facility reported that the sequences didn't match anything in the GenBank database. Ketchum has concluded that the creatures are either derived from humans and mutated excessively, or some type of hybrid. Further, she believes them to be a fairly modern species, paralleling humans in the last 13,000 years. She also suggested that there were some 16 different subtypes of Bigfoot, typically associated with different regions. For more, check out the recap of her 12/23/12 show appearance.
This was in the Coastzone newsletter today
 

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lkb3rd said:
amyasleigh said:
In some of the correspondence elsewhere about these recent doings, I've seen reference to Ketchum comparing herself in her recent labours and travails and being scorned / rejected / misunderstood, to Galileo and to Jesus Christ. Protesting too much, just a bit? Her carrying-on this way would tend to reduce her credibility -- suggesting that she isn't very stable, and / or she's consciously involved in fraud and fakery.
I group this in with the claims she was raped by a Bigfoot, and that one braided her horse's mane. Maybe it is true(as an open minded Fortean :p ), but if she had more common sense she'd have kept her mouth shut about that and focused on provable facts.
It is also possible that she is having mental issues.
I'd forgotten the raped-by-a-Bigfoot thing concerning her -- honestly ! So much crazy stuff surrounding this whole subject; and that of it concerning the creature and sex, seeming especially crazy: I mentally rolled eyes at the time, at the claim re Ketchum, then consigned it to the BS pile and forgot it. And the horses'-manes-braiding matter: often shows up on this whole scene, but plenty of possible mundane explanations for it...

Agree that if it is wished to get mainstream science on board, best to keep the way-out-there stuff out of sight.
 

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Bigfoot DNA

In the first half of Sunday's show, Dr. Melba S. Ketchum joined George Knapp to discuss the official release of her DNA analysis of possible Bigfoot hair samples. Her publication titled "Novel North American Hominin" is available for paid download through the DeNovo Journal. Ketchum's findings were based on the analysis of 111 samples of blood, tissue, hair, and related materials sent in to her lab by Sasquatch researchers and eyewitnesses. Mitochondrial DNA testing revealed that the hair was human in origin, yet a forensic hair specialist examined the specimens and declared them to be novel-- "it was not human hair and didn't match any of his animal knowns it was tested against," he told her.

When it came to testing the nuclear DNA of the samples "we started getting really strange results," she said, "with weird looking bands that were all different sizes." One testing facility reported that the sequences didn't match anything in the GenBank database. Ketchum has concluded that the creatures are either derived from humans and mutated excessively, or some type of hybrid. Further, she believes them to be a fairly modern species, paralleling humans in the last 13,000 years. She also suggested that there were some 16 different subtypes of Bigfoot, typically associated with different regions. For more, check out the recap of her 12/23/12 show appearance.
This was in the Coastzone newsletter today


(Wild Conjecture Alert!)


Leaving Dr Ketchum's research (very much) to one side for a moment, what about the idea of (sometime in the ancient past) a geographically and genetically isolated human population, becoming increasingly inbred over time, gradually and progressively acquiring more and more atavistic traits,
resulting in what would amount to more or less an accidental and spontaneous "TaurOs Project"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TaurOs_Project

thereby creating a reasonable facsimile of primitive hominids, or something like that?
 

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amyasleigh said:
In some of the correspondence elsewhere about these recent doings, I've seen reference to Ketchum comparing herself in her recent labours and travails and being scorned / rejected / misunderstood, to Galileo and to Jesus Christ. Protesting too much, just a bit? Her carrying-on this way would tend to reduce her credibility -- suggesting that she isn't very stable, and / or she's consciously involved in fraud and fakery.
Ahh, yes, this old chestnut. Leaving aside the poor understanding of history of science (and/or theology) it does tend to suggest a persecution complex.
 

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lkb3rd said:
Of interest to the thread:
http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/201 ... ml#moretop
Interview with Ketchum addressing her buying the journal, and defending her research.
:lol: She didn't expect lemur! That's funny, because it seems perfectly sane to the rest of us that our recent ancestors bred with giant Madagascan prosimians, the improbable progeny of which buggered off to make a new life in the forests of the New World! :lol: In her defense, I'm sitting in a garden centre coffee shop in Lincolnshire without enough signal to play the video, so I can't claim to have fully heard her out.

Thanks for the link, lkb3rd! It gave me a chuckle!:D

EDIT So I've heard the interview in the accompanying video, and I wonder where this is going. I'm sure in due course it will be revealed that the lost continent of Lemuria produced intelligent lemurs. Upon its destruction by volcanic eruption, earthquake, and the wrath of God, the Lemurian survivors sought refuge around the world, giving rise to universal legends of cynocephali. One of the continents on which they settled was Atlantis, unfortunately also doomed. However, from there our sapient prosimian cousins moved to the Americas, where they bred with locals. Suddenly, the secret history of the world all makes sense.
 

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PaulTaylor said:
lkb3rd said:
Of interest to the thread:
http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/201 ... ml#moretop
Interview with Ketchum addressing her buying the journal, and defending her research.
:lol: She didn't expect lemur! That's funny, because it seems perfectly sane to the rest of us that our recent ancestors bred with giant Madagascan prosimians, the improbable progeny of which buggered off to make a new life in the forests of the New World! :lol:
 

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To be fair, I don't think anyone was expecting lemur. There's little chance the progeny of a human-lemur crossbreeding would be fertile. Or even viable.
 

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kamalktk said:
Hey, I like a little lemur lovin' as much as the next guy. ;) More, probably, if my 20 strong collection of lemur soft toys is anything to judge by. But I draw a line at wanting to produce sasquatch cubs with them.
 

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Anome_ said:
To be fair, I don't think anyone was expecting lemur.
Were lemurs members of The Spanish Inquisition?
 

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Anome_ said:
To be fair, I don't think anyone was expecting lemur. There's little chance the progeny of a human-lemur crossbreeding would be fertile. Or even viable.
She surely deserves points for a very original brand of insane, impossible theory, though.
 

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gncxx said:
Anome_ said:
To be fair, I don't think anyone was expecting lemur.
Were lemurs members of The Spanish Inquisition?
Only the devout ones. And the aye-ayes, who were in it just for the craic.
 

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Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
 

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Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
On the contrary, everyone expected the Spanish Inquisition as they gave you 14 days notice before visiting, according to QI!
 

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Could you reschedule if it wasn't convenient?
 

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I think so, but on the rescheduled date they don't tell you morning or afternoon so you have wait in all bloody day.
 

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Whenever they did turn up, it would always be just after you put the kettle on for a cup of tea. The jammy beggars.
 

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Oh here we go! Anunaki/Nephilim/Angel Sasquatch.
http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/201 ... ml#moretop

Before publishing her paper on Bigfoot DNA, Dr. Melba Ketchum and her camp shot down rumors that her paper would be including the theory that Bigfoot is of extraterrestrial origins, or may have came from Angels -- also suggesting that Bigfoot may have biblical origins. Ketchum outright denied any of it was true and explained to Jay of Bizzare Zoology that it "was not said by anyone on our team , but someone else on the outside. That is very much a false rumor."
It appears she is doing exactly this on Facebook. Screenshot at link.
 

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Bigfoot DNA Tests: Melba Ketchum's Research Results Are Bogus, Claims Houston Chronicle Report

A Texas vet who claims to have DNA proof that Bigfoot is real went on the attack against a journalist who said her evidence comes from a small woodlands creature.

It's been five years since Texas veterinarian and genetics researcher Melba Ketchum began studying DNA samples from a creature she calls Bigfoot. She published her findings in a "scientific journal," though the only article to appear in the DeNovo Journal of Science was Ketchum's study, a fact that drew plenty of criticism from scientists and reporters.

Fed up by this hazy proof of "Sasquatch genomes," Houston Chronicle reporter Eric Berger sent some of Ketchum's DNA samples to an independent geneticist for analysis.

The result? The 100 DNA samples that Ketchum claimed proved the existence of a hybrid mix between homo sapiens and an unknown primate were actually the genetic makeup of ... an opossum.

Now it's a matter of he-Squatch she-Squatch.

From the Houston Chronicle's July 1 revelation:

If the evidence backed up Ketchum’s claims, I had a blockbuster story. My geneticist source would have a hand in making the scientific discovery of the decade, or perhaps the century. Ketchum would be vindicated ... Alas, I met my geneticist friend this past week and I asked about the Bigfoot DNA. It was, he told me, a mix of opossum and other species. No find of the century.

That said, Berger wouldn't reveal his geneticist over worries that the man would catch heat for giving time to a mythical creature.

Ketchum was outraged by Berger's article, telling HuffPost Weird News this morning, "He's just out there to create drama."

She bristled at the criticism and said Berger's work is scientifically flawed.

"This is unbelievable -- my study is a legitimate study," she said. "There's no credibility in his study whatsoever ... There's jealousy out there."

A total of 111 specimens of alleged Sasquatch hair, blood, skin and other tissues formed the basis of Ketchum's study. The samples came from several groups at sites covering 14 states and two Canadian provinces, she said.

Reputable journals originally agreed to publish her work, she claims, but backed down because publishing a study about Bigfoot would "destroy the editors' reputations." So she acquired the DeNovo journal and published it herself.

To settle the discrepancy between her research and Berger's article, Ketchum wants a new independent study. She'd allow it if she's able to watch the testing herself, because "the samples may have been switched" by Berger.

It would appear, unless Berger is flat-out lying, that the only big foot here is the one that crushed Ketchum's findings.

Moral of the story? Opossums are still pretty cool.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/0 ... weird-news

And the original article:

http://blog.chron.com/sciguy/2013/07/i- ... t-i-found/
 

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