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CuriousIdent

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I've only recently joined this forum and find these types of phenomenon interesting. There have been several accounts of visiting pubs and hotels etc but one of the things I find difficult to understand is how payment is accepted - in the UK certainly currency designs change quite frequently and as, for example, shops won't even accept the old one pound coin now I can't see how you wouldn't get pulled up when trying to pay?
On a slightly different tack, are there any accounts of someone being in a pub or restaurant in the present day and witnessing the arrival of anyone actually experiencing something like this i?

Not that I am aware of. But I guess if somebody comes into a pub (or shop for that matter) and tries to pay with Funny Money they're basically just told to sling their hook. :)

If you're interested in other similar stories of time slips and the like, Giant Richard we have more in the Time or Dimensional Slips thread.

We also have a master post for accounts on that thread, located here: http://forum.forteantimes.com/index.php?threads/time-or-dimensional-slips.13755/page-26#post-1723826
 
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Thanks Curiousident! I will take a look later. Yes, I would think presenting a pre war landlord with a pound coin instead of some old pennies would arouse suspicion , or if it was wartime get you shot as a spy.....
 
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Yes, I have thought about this often - in a pub or a shop the landlord/assistant invariably says how much the total is and I would certainly be taken aback if I ordered 2 pints and it cost 2 shillings or whatever -you don't often order something and just hand over a handful of cash without asking how much - then how often do you hand over the exact amount? So if change was given would'nt you keep whatever strange coinage it was and guard it carefully rather than tucking it away somewhere and forgetting where you put it?
The other stumbling block for me is that I don't think a rural pub or shop 80 odd years ago would have a great range of items to offer - you may be lucky in a pub if you asked for 2 pints say but wouldn't suspicion be aroused if you asked for a glass of Merlot or Chardonnay or a Pils etc.
 

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I've only recently joined this forum and find these types of phenomenon interesting. There have been several accounts of visiting pubs and hotels etc but one of the things I find difficult to understand is how payment is accepted - in the UK certainly currency designs change quite frequently and as, for example, shops won't even accept the old one pound coin now I can't see how you wouldn't get pulled up when trying to pay?
On a slightly different tack, are there any accounts of someone being in a pub or restaurant in the present day and witnessing the arrival of anyone actually experiencing something like this i?
Good question, and one which I have pondered on at times. Here are the things I've come up with, just my thoughts:

Perhaps whatever 'state' causes the time slip to happen in the first place, possibly leaves all those who experience it (i.e. the person 'moving in time' and also anyone they interact with) in a sort of dreamlike state whereby they drop their guard and don't carry out the normal 'logical checks' (for want of a better phrase) which would usually make them realise that the money is wrong, etc.

What about future dates on coins, I hear you ask? Well, just as on the rare occasion that someone has managed to bring something back with them (e.g. the man who bought celuloid (?) envelopes from a small shop in - I believe - Suffolk), and they started to become brittle not long after, then similarly perhaps the future money cannot sustain itself in the past, and quickly either disappears or becomes worn in some way such that the dates are indecipherable. That's even if the dates are checked at all.

Also, it's not unreasonable to assume that in the past, before the easy ability to 'check things on the internet' that a person serving behind a bar, or in a hotel, might take strange looking money to simply be foreign money (Which would also sort of explain how the exact amount isn't always handed over if the barkeep or hotel owner simply thought 'that'll do' and hoped it was an approximation of whatever foreign currency exchange rate would suit. It might also be how the person in the past explains away the odd clothing that the 'foreigner' is wearing.

Finally, is it possible that 'back in the day' shops and small businesses - moreso if they are small, family-run affairs outside the big cities - might not have been quite so strict with what coins and notes they did/did not allow; I'm thinking of the signs we see nowadays in shops saying "old ten pound note now replaced with new one", along with pictures, I'm sure you know the sort of thing I'm thinking about. Would this have even been a thing at the turn of the last century, for example?

There endeth my rambling thoughts.

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Perhaps whatever 'state' causes the time slip to happen in the first place, possibly leaves all those who experience it (i.e. the person 'moving in time' and also anyone they interact with) in a sort of dreamlike state whereby they drop their guard and don't carry out the normal 'logical checks' (for want of a better phrase) which would usually make them realise that the money is wrong, etc.
Or they time travel in a "Quantum Leap" style, inhabiting a host body of the time that has suitable clothes, money.

(Obviously without realising it)
 
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Which raises another point - in most of the accounts I have read the person in question is either an observer or if they do interact they seem to be accepted -I don't recall a case where someone is 'caught out' .
 

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I think that in the accounts I’ve read, the “people of the past” are not only not surprised about modern money, but they also don’t seem to really notice the modern clothing and implements (ball point pens etc) of their visitors, or their modern cars when cars are involved. Which suggests that they’re not authentic people of the past. They seem to be more like spirits or shades of some kind who play a part in interacting with their visitors but are not really concious. Or they are just projections of the viditors’ (experiencers’) thoughts. Or they are fey/slash/trickster entities who are being deceptive. Or maybe the people of the past are real people who have jointly entered with their visitors into some kind of magic environment where culturally significant objects like money and clothes are perceived differently by the different parties.
 

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Agreed ... I've always been struck by the relative lack of indications people encountered in the other-time found the visiting time-slipper(s) odd or out of place.
 
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I think that in the accounts I’ve read, the “people of the past” are not only not surprised about modern money, but they also don’t seem to really notice the modern clothing and implements (ball point pens etc) of their visitors, or their modern cars when cars are involved. Which suggests that they’re not authentic people of the past. They seem to be more like spirits or shades of some kind who play a part in interacting with their visitors but are not really concious. Or they are just projections of the viditors’ (experiencers’) thoughts. Or they are fey/slash/trickster entities who are being deceptive. Or maybe the people of the past are real people who have jointly entered with their visitors into some kind of magic environment where culturally significant objects like money and clothes are perceived differently by the different parties.
The only reactions to temporally displaced individuals seem to be puzzled glances, if that. Of course, some of the more egregiously oblivious examples seem to be among the more suspect, e.g. that blasted French hotel story or the one with the coin collector. If you eliminated the less plausible stories (which happen to include most of the prominent ones,) I suspect this would be less of an issue.
 

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The only reactions to temporally displaced individuals seem to be puzzled glances, if that. Of course, some of the more egregiously oblivious examples seem to be among the more suspect, e.g. that blasted French hotel story or the one with the coin collector. If you eliminated the less plausible stories (which happen to include most of the prominent ones,) I suspect this would be less of an issue.
Welcome (or welcome back) to the board, John Wellington Wells. It's nice to see another Gilbert and Sullivan enthusiast on FTMB. I have posted a YouTube link to a duet from The Sorcerer on the G&S thread to mark your arrival (or return, whichever it may be). You're no doubt quite familiar with it.

My apologies to other posters for diverging from the thread topic but I couldn't resist. As you were.
 

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Welcome (or welcome back) to the board, John Wellington Wells. It's nice to see another Gilbert and Sullivan enthusiast on FTMB. I have posted a YouTube link to a duet from The Sorcerer on the G&S thread to mark your arrival (or return, whichever it may be). You're no doubt quite familiar with it.

My apologies to other posters for diverging from the thread topic but I couldn't resist. As you were.
Hearty greetings offer we.
 

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If Hokusai had a penny for each time this prticular graphic was reproduced, he'd have a pretty large monument. Actually I was very bored with the female symbol so I went on the computer I was using to see what attractive picture was available.

And fellas - why do we care about labelling anonymous posters with one of those two symbols? Why not just a picture of Charles Fort?
 

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I believe its an automatic thing when you select which gender you are when registering. It's the way the forum was built, not a choice that anyone here as made (AFAIK). We don't care if your male or female. "Come get your black bin bags, whether bi or straight or bender, come get your black bin bags, they're on offer till September".
 

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I think that in the accounts I’ve read, the “people of the past” are not only not surprised about modern money, but they also don’t seem to really notice the modern clothing and implements (ball point pens etc) of their visitors, or their modern cars when cars are involved. Which suggests that they’re not authentic people of the past. They seem to be more like spirits or shades of some kind who play a part in interacting with their visitors but are not really concious. Or they are just projections of the viditors’ (experiencers’) thoughts. Or they are fey/slash/trickster entities who are being deceptive. Or maybe the people of the past are real people who have jointly entered with their visitors into some kind of magic environment where culturally significant objects like money and clothes are perceived differently by the different parties.
Agreed ... I've always been struck by the relative lack of indications people encountered in the other-time found the visiting time-slipper(s) odd or out of place.
I recall a couple of tales where the past people have appeared terrified by the appearance of modern vehicles.
 

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B****cks! I was down in Malmö a few days ago and again, actually would have had the time to leisurely explore the road on the way down but as usual, it slipped my mind. I drove back in a hurry last night so there wasn't any time then even if I had've remembered.
 

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I think that in the accounts I’ve read, the “people of the past” are not only not surprised about modern money, but they also don’t seem to really notice the modern clothing and implements (ball point pens etc) of their visitors, or their modern cars when cars are involved. Which suggests that they’re not authentic people of the past. They seem to be more like spirits or shades of some kind who play a part in interacting with their visitors but are not really concious. Or they are just projections of the viditors’ (experiencers’) thoughts. Or they are fey/slash/trickster entities who are being deceptive. Or maybe the people of the past are real people who have jointly entered with their visitors into some kind of magic environment where culturally significant objects like money and clothes are perceived differently by the different parties.
Those of us old enough can remember milestones like the first Ford Sierra. Compared to all previous Ford cars it was a really shocking weird and futuristic body shape compared to what came just a few years before in the early eighties. If you took that or any modern car back in time it would have looked like the millennium frikken falcon to the locals. Nobody would have ignored it or it's owners. And money - no shop or inn keeper accepts coin they don't recognise. Gold maybe but not some wierd base metal coin with a date in the future.

I would modify your last idea from magic environment to simulated environment where a function deals with fixing issues of memory leaks/addressing during simultaneous running of possible outcomes.
Could threads blur in such an enormous simulation and instead of pausing and fixing you let routines fix it on the fly. It results in odd reports but the majority doesn't takes them seriously so good enough.
 

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Those of us old enough can remember milestones like the first Ford Sierra. Compared to all previous Ford cars it was a really shocking weird and futuristic body shape compared to what came just a few years before in the early eighties. If you took that or any modern car back in time it would have looked like the millennium frikken falcon to the locals. Nobody would have ignored it or it's owners. And money - no shop or inn keeper accepts coin they don't recognise. Gold maybe but not some wierd base metal coin with a date in the future.

I would modify your last idea from magic environment to simulated environment where a function deals with fixing issues of memory leaks/addressing during simultaneous running of possible outcomes.
Could threads blur in such an enormous simulation and instead of pausing and fixing you let routines fix it on the fly. It results in odd reports but the majority doesn't takes them seriously so good enough.
It was quite a radical change for Ford, but I can recall at its launch, the Sierra's "jelly mould" shape being compared to the Citröen CX - which did that whole futurist thing 10 years earlier.
 

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It was quite a radical change for Ford, but I can recall at its launch, the Sierra's "jelly mould" shape being compared to the Citröen CX - which did that whole futurist thing 10 years earlier.
The point I was probably poorly making was that changes made in just a a few years were radical enough to get us really looking at these cars and if you took back a 1980s car into the past it would be radical beyond belief. In the 30s they had spoked wheels, 40s still had running boards and so on.

If you look at what old timers though was futuristic you get the Cord, which was an old looking car with pop up headlights. All a bit Flash Gordon.
 

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The point I was probably poorly making was that changes made in just a a few years were radical enough to get us really looking at these cars and if you took back a 1980s car into the past it would be radical beyond belief. In the 30s they had spoked wheels, 40s still had running boards and so on.

If you look at what old timers though was futuristic you get the Cord, which was an old looking car with pop up headlights. All a bit Flash Gordon.
Or this 1930's oddity:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stout_Scarab
 

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It was quite a radical change for Ford, but I can recall at its launch, the Sierra's "jelly mould" shape being compared to the Citröen CX - which did that whole futurist thing 10 years earlier.

Agreed. Not dissimilar.

I do find it kinda fascinating how one car design can just sort of... catch on, and then other manufacturers all lean towards it.

Like in the mid 90s when Fiat first put out the Fiat Punto. For the next 15 odd years pretty much every manufacturer redesigned their range to include a similarly shaped supermini hatchback. Even Ford, who dumped the long history of the Escort to add the Punto styled Ford Focus.

But I think I'm digressing a little here. :) What I think Roland Deschain was saying is that any modern car is going to stand out pretty clearly in a timeslip to an earlier decade.

Even a modern paintjob on a car, I'd argue. Think of the glossy colours of the 60s and 70s. Compare that to a modern metallic paint job. A silver or grey metallic paint job is pretty much the commonest colouring on the planet these days, but 50 years ago you just wouldn't have seen that. It would stand out like an alien space craft. :)
 

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Those of us old enough can remember milestones like the first Ford Sierra. Compared to all previous Ford cars it was a really shocking weird and futuristic body shape compared to what came just a few years before in the early eighties. If you took that or any modern car back in time it would have looked like the millennium frikken falcon to the locals. Nobody would have ignored it or it's owners. And money - no shop or inn keeper accepts coin they don't recognise. Gold maybe but not some wierd base metal coin with a date in the future.

I would modify your last idea from magic environment to simulated environment where a function deals with fixing issues of memory leaks/addressing during simultaneous running of possible outcomes.
Could threads blur in such an enormous simulation and instead of pausing and fixing you let routines fix it on the fly. It results in odd reports but the majority doesn't takes them seriously so good enough.
The point I was probably poorly making was that changes made in just a a few years were radical enough to get us really looking at these cars and if you took back a 1980s car into the past it would be radical beyond belief. In the 30s they had spoked wheels, 40s still had running boards and so on.

If you look at what old timers though was futuristic you get the Cord, which was an old looking car with pop up headlights. All a bit Flash Gordon.

I remember the first time I saw a Ford Ka, in the 1990s, and it looked unlike anything else at that time...

Talking of old vehicles, I've always wondered why road ghosts don't include more stagecoaches, and so on. Especially given there must have been some pretty bad accidents involving them. Random people are seen, usually just one person, but rarely a stagecoach full of people! Yet older roads that are associated with ghosts, hardly ever seem to have a vehicle ghost.
 

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B****cks! I was down in Malmö a few days ago and again, actually would have had the time to leisurely explore the road on the way down but as usual, it slipped my mind. I drove back in a hurry last night so there wasn't any time then even if I had've remembered.
THEY don’t want you to investigate. THEY’re controlling your mind.
 
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