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Transit Of Venus (2004)

OneWingedBird

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There are periodic astronomical events that could never be observed by any human alive today. One of these is the transit of Venus on June 8, 2004.

On this day half our globe will be able to watch the tiny black dot of the planet Venus moving across the disc of the sun. Given a cloudless sky, all you'll need is a sun filter to follow the spectacle for several hours by your naked eyes (check your eyes).

The previous transit of Venus occurred on December 6, 1882 -
one of merely five events of its kind ever watched by mankind.

Info from venus-transit.de, much more on the site.

More info at:

The official NASA page

Sky and telescope on where you can see it from.
 
BlackRiverFalls said:
There are periodic astronomical events that could never be observed by any human alive today. One of these is the transit of Venus on June 8, 2004.

Do they know something we don't? :eek!!!!:

Jane.
 
Thanks for the heads-up BRF.

I must say, pervert that I am, I thought 'Transit of Venus' was destined to be either a Chauserian (?) euphemism or an article about a mobile brothel! :D
 
The Transit of Venus is a significant event in Australian history. It was the official explanation as to what Captain James Cook was doing in the Pacific in 1769-70.

His orders did include directions to wander over here and claim the continent for Britain, but only after spending time in Tahiti while the scientists observed the transit.
 
Stormkhan said:
Sic Transit Gloria Venii![/SIZE]
You mean Sic Transit Gloria Veneris!

I don't know. Young people today!
 
Okay, okay ... I'll write it out a hundred times before dawn!

Don't have a cow, man!
 
I won't be looking anywhere near the sun but will rely on other mugs erm astrophysicists to do it for me.

Enjoyed the eclipse a few years back. :)
 
I'm leading an expedition to the Sun to intercept Venus, anyone up for it?

We're going at night so it's not so hot!
 
I trogged all the way to Devon to see the 1999 eclipse - it was cloudy :(

The sudden darkening then return of the light was dramatic though!:)

Not that the transit will be like that. Best thing to do is set up a projection through a telescope.
 
You want to be careful. I hear they've found evidence the Sun is on fire.

Maybe you should take some cardboard boxes full of water with you.
 
Factor 30 sunscreen? Check!
Steaks, chicken quarters, sausages, corn on the cob? Check!
Ray Bans? Check!
Oven gloves? Hang on ... if we're going when it's dark, it won't be that hot. Well, just to be on the safe side ... check!

Why NASA makes so much fuss about popping up to Mars when this space travel stuff is so easy, I'll never understand.
 
I must say, pervert that I am, I thought 'Transit of Venus' was destined to be either a Chauserian (?) euphemism or an article about a mobile brothel!

Or Anais Nin writing from the back of a van?

Guess the text is badly translated from the Dutch, started typing something myself but my brain had turned to mush so it was easier to copy the text from the site.
 
Bump!

Only four days to go, and even more excitement now that we know that the transit will also herald the return of the antichrist (possibly with help from Al Qaeda) and an increase in global meditation!

Some interesting history at James Cook and the Transit too, includinf info about the 'black drop effect':

When Venus is near the limb of the sun--the critical moment for transit timing--the black of space beyond the Sun's limb seems to reach in and touch the planet. You can recreate the black drop effect with your thumb and index finger: Hold the two in front of one eye and narrow the distance between them. Just before they touch, a shadowy bridge will spring across the gap. According to John Westfall, writing for Sky & Telescope magazine in June 2004, "this is simply the result of how two fuzzy bright-to-dark gradients add together." The black drop effect, like the fuzziness of Venus' atmosphere, made it hard to say just when the transit began or ended.
 
BlackRiverFalls said:
Bump!

Only four days to go, and even more excitement now that we know that the transit will also herald the return of the antichrist (possibly with help from Al Qaeda)

Link of the month! :cool: Ex-cell-ent :D

Looks like if I get to see it at all, it will be the very tail end.
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3704671.stm
Venus about to make Sun passage
By Jonathan Amos
BBC News Online science staff

Event lasts about 6 hours
UK timing: 0620-1224 BST
Viewing must use protection
Web and TV is safest option
The planet Venus is set to make a very rare passage across the face of the Sun
Tuesday's six-hour transit has not been witnessed for 122 years and observers will position themselves in Europe, Asia and Africa to get the best view.

Scientists will use the event to test technologies they will soon deploy to detect similar sized worlds orbiting stars tens of light-years away.

Venus will appear as a tiny black disc against our star but no one should look for it without the proper equipment.

Looking directly at the Sun with the naked eye, and worse still through an open telescope or binoculars, can result in blindness.

It is recommended people attend an organised viewing where the transit will be projected on to a screen; or they can visit one of the many institutional internet sites planning to stream pictures.

Rare opportunity

The latter may be the very best option, especially if the local weather is cloudy - something UK skywatchers know only to well.


But this is an event that should be caught in some fashion.
"Something wonderful, something marvellous is happening on 8 June and will be witnessed and experienced by millions of people all over the world," said Professor Gordon Bromage, head of the University of Central Lancashire's Centre for Astrophysics.

"It represents a fantastic opportunity to fire the next generation of astrophysicists with enthusiasm for scientific discovery.

"It is an extremely rare event."

There have only been six transits in the telescopic age - in 1631, 1639, 1761, 1769, 1874 and 1882.

Scale of everything

The last Venus transit to be viewable in its entirety from the British Isles was in 1283, when no one knew it was happening.

The special alignment of the Earth and Venus required to bring about this event occurs in irregular pairs, with the next scheduled for 2012.


The phenomenon has particular historical significance. The 17th and 18th Century transits were used by the astronomers of the day to work out fundamental facts about the Solar System.
Employing a method of triangulation (parallax), they were able to calculate the distance between the Earth and the Sun - the so-called astronomical unit (AU) - which is about 149.6 million km (or 93 million miles).

This allowed scientists to get their first real handle on the scale of the Solar System and the Universe beyond.

The first person to predict a transit of Venus - the 6 December, 1631, event - was Johannes Kepler but he died before it occurred.

Courageous scientists

Jeremiah Horrocks, the young English astronomer, was probably the first to record the phenomenon when he and a friend, William Crabtree, made separate observations of the passage on 24 November, 1639.


The 18th Century transit expeditions were sagas of utter courage
Dr Allan Chapman, Oxford University
By the time the transits of 1761 and 1769 came around, they had become major scientific events. Expeditions were despatched all over the globe to get the data necessary to calculate the AU.
One such expedition was undertaken by Captain James Cook whose epic voyage in the Endeavour took in the "new lands" of New Zealand and Australia.


VENUS - GODDESS OF LOVE
Viewed as Earth's hellish twin
Its year is shorter than its day
Has clouds of sulphuric acid
Runaway greenhouse effect
Searing surface temp: 460C
"The 18th Century transit expeditions were sagas of utter courage," the astronomy historian Dr Allan Chapman, of the University of Oxford, told BBC News Online.
"These people went to sea on four or five-year-long missions at extreme danger to their lives just to witness the same thing you can take a jet to see today. And this was especially true of the 1761 transit because England and France were at war."

In the modern age, thanks to radio signals emitted by spacecraft as they pass behind Venus, we now have very precise numbers on planetary positions and masses, as well as the distance between the Earth and the Sun.

But to the early astronomers, just getting good approximate values represented a huge challenge.

Tiny fraction

This is not to say the 2004 Venus transit will be regarded as just a pretty show of no interest to scientists.

The movement of the planet in front of the Sun will bring about a tiny drop in the brightness of our star.

And several research groups will be looking for this dip in light with detectors that will soon fly on space telescopes looking for Earth-sized planets around distant stars.


Current telescope technology cannot resolve small, rocky planets many light-years away, but it may be possible to detect their presence if they, too, bring about characteristic changes in light when passing in front of their parent stars.
The Europeans have the Eddington mission seeking funds. This would use the transit method to study around 500,000 stars and is predicted to find as many as 20,000 planets - of which about 100 would be comparable to Earth.

And the US space agency, too, will scrutinise around 100,000 stars in a similar mission to discover new worlds.

"One has to be sensitive to a change in light of less than a hundredth of one percent," said Dr Andrew Coates, from the Mullard Space Science Laboratory of University College London.

"For this transit, we will be using a CCD (charged coupled device) which was originally devised for the Eddington mission to look for a dip of 0.0076% in the light coming from the Sun."
 
This method seems optimistic; looking for a dip in the brightness of a star has been successful in finding several large planets, especially the OGLE epistellar hot jupiters-
but looking for an Earth (or Venus) type planet is likely to be more difficult; many stars will have variations in brightness greater than a hundredth of one percent, and as these planetary transit occur infrequently in the case of terrestrial planets the repeating pattern will be hard to find.

I wish them luck, but I don't expect many good results.
 
The Astrology & Mayan Angle...

Eric Francis writes:
Next Tuesday the world experiences one of the rarest and most auspicious astrological events of our lifetime. Venus, the second planet from the Sun, representing love, creativity and financial abundance, crosses the disk of the Sun. In a sense, it eclipses the Sun, but because Venus is so small, it won't blot it out. Rather, Venus will appear in front of the sun as a small black dot for about six hours after the Sun rises. Don't though, repeat DON'T, try to watch it. If you look at the Sun for more than a second without special eclipse glasses or a pinhole 'shadow camera' you will do permanent damage to your eyes. The Transit has not happened for 121 years, so no living astrologer can speak from direct experience about its meaning. After the event though, the entire global community of astrologers will be discussing it and swapping notes - until, after a few days of intense consultation, they have reached a consensus about its meaning. The ancient Mayan astrologers knew all about this cycle. They based their calendar on it. They also knew that after the 121 year gap, the Venus transits tend to occur in pairs, eight years apart. The pair to this Venus transit is on June 6, 2012. That year famously marks the 'end of the Mayan calendar - which is a matter of much concern to many doom-mongers who wrongly interpret this as a sign that the world may end in that year. It won't... but it may yet come to mark the end of the world as we know it - or the start of a brave, brand new world. Between now and 2012, all the outer planets change signs in rapid succession: Jupiter, Saturn, Chiron, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. This is what you might call a celestial speed-up. The first phase of the exciting acceleration process begins on Tuesday.
Read more about the Venus transit on PlanetWaves.net, Eric Francis's fascinating web page.
http://www.jonathancainer.com/weekly/
 
Heh, I still have my eclipse glasses from the total solar eclipse. I guess hoarding pays off after all :D
 
Found this email in my inbox this morning:

Potentia,

We regretfully must inform you that your request for intervention has been denied.
The Galactic council has a policy against interfering in the affairs of cognizant beings.
We do understand your contention that humanity is no longer cognizant due to the mind control technology currently being used by your leaders, but the fact that you have contacted us proves that cognizance still exists.
Get back in touch with us when your peers are ready and we will arrange for admittance to the council and share with you our space travel protocol.

Sincerely,
Gautama
8th dimensional field specialist
23rd solar district

I took the URL from the email address and found this page:

http://www.potentiaproject.org/

Now... I've got a pretty good idea who might be behind it but the mystery is still fun...
 
My friend is into astrology and says we must all make wishes during the transit and our wishes will come true. :rolleyes:

Worth a try, I suppose.

I am fully expecting a full day of planetary strangeness. I am wearing my tinfoil underpants. :D
 
We're just waiting for the haze to clear, and are getting a surprisingly good solar disc projection through a small pair of binoculars. I doubt we'll get to see much transit action through them though.
Damn! Why is my big refractor telescope in Hampshire when I need it!!
:mad:
 
No need to wait Stella - I've just been out into the car park here in Stockport with my binos and card contraption and got a great (if a little shakey) view of the eclipse.
 
The haze has burnt off now, but I'm suffereing from crap binoculars syndrome.
:(
I might be able to catch it as it just passes out again, should be a little more obvious then.
 
Dont believe in Planets,


'specially them ones what makes me 'ead feel funny!

:cool:


Good morning btw to ye Lady Stella.
 
Might be a stupid question but are you sure you've got your binos the right way up? I made that mistake for a few minutes - you need to have the eye piece pointing at the piece of card. You also need to cover one of the eye pieces and a card barrier around the binos to cast a shadow really helps.

There's a good diagram at the bottom of this page:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3784293.stm
 
Got it

Me and the GF took this about 50 mins ago in our back garden, She took the photo while I held the Monocular and our boxer dog tried to sit on the bit of card we were projecting onto:rolleyes:

Mr P
 
Nice piccie. That's the closest I'll get to seeing it as the web cams streaming it are blocked at work.
 
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