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@Paul_Exeter @Min Bannister

I have to admit, I'm beginning to wonder if my stomach problems of the last few years are down to vegetarian 'meat'.

I do know that they can cause problems for some people (as if sometimes says so on the packaging).

There can be anywhere from two weeks to six months in between bouts, so I'm not 100% sure (and it might only be certain products, not all of them) but I am off the stuff for a while now as a test.
When you look at the ingredients and consider they are ultra-processed then you could be right. All ultra-processed food is bad for us in the long term regardless of whether it is based on processed meat or processed pea protein or soya. I doubt there has been much research into why consumers are now rejecting these products (my local Tesco has just halved the shelf space) but I'm willing to wager people were getting an upset stomach.
 
When you look at the ingredients and consider they are ultra-processed then you could be right. All ultra-processed food is bad for us in the long term regardless of whether it is based on processed meat or processed pea protein or soya. I doubt there has been much research into why consumers are now rejecting these products (my local Tesco has just halved the shelf space) but I'm willing to wager people were getting an upset stomach.
I was told to drop processed food because of the amount of kidney stones I was getting and I do feel better with my new more varied diet.
 
@Paul_Exeter @Min Bannister

I have to admit, I'm beginning to wonder if my stomach problems of the last few years are down to vegetarian 'meat'.

I do know that they can cause problems for some people (as if sometimes says so on the packaging).

There can be anywhere from two weeks to six months in between bouts, so I'm not 100% sure (and it might only be certain products, not all of them) but I am off the stuff for a while now as a test.
Yes, I think it is possible. And as @Paul_Exeter says, they are ultra-processed - your digestive system never evolved to deal with it. Some people can get away with it sure, maybe you aren't one of them. I hope staying off it helps.
 
Yes, I think it is possible. And as @Paul_Exeter says, they are ultra-processed - your digestive system never evolved to deal with it. Some people can get away with it sure, maybe you aren't one of them. I hope staying off it helps.
I believe Quorn acts as a trigger for gout attacks for me.

I read the Chris Van Tulleken book Ultra Processed People, horrific.
 
Yes, I think it is possible. And as @Paul_Exeter says, they are ultra-processed - your digestive system never evolved to deal with it. Some people can get away with it sure, maybe you aren't one of them. I hope staying off it helps.
Personally I feel it is pretty scandalous that the big supermarkets promoted this stuff to the max, telling people it was a great idea to swap unprocessed fish and chicken for fake ultra-processed alternatives (sausages and bacon are another matter, unless you can get the ones without nitrates).

They are all full of greenwash :bs: anyway, Tesco make all these big statements about green issues but today there are signs everywhere promoting beef along with Aldi price matches.
 
I believe Quorn acts as a trigger for gout attacks for me.

I read the Chris Van Tulleken book Ultra Processed People, horrific.
Imagine the processing that goes into making this:

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Look like this:

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When you look at the ingredients and consider they are ultra-processed then you could be right. All ultra-processed food is bad for us in the long term regardless of whether it is based on processed meat or processed pea protein or soya. I doubt there has been much research into why consumers are now rejecting these products (my local Tesco has just halved the shelf space) but I'm willing to wager people were getting an upset stomach.
It's annoying because I really don't eat rubbish food as a rule, but lots of salads, fish and (some) vegetables.
I just need something for those times I don't want fish.

Giving up the cheese has limited my options even further!
 
It's annoying because I really don't eat rubbish food as a rule, but lots of salads, fish and (some) vegetables.
I just need something for those times I don't want fish.

Giving up the cheese has limited my options even further!
What about soft cheese? The body can at least digest that.
 
Wafer-thin ham?
 
What's that meat loaf made with nuts called? That's OK.

My autistic-friend-with-food-as-a-specialism does some dribbling wonderful nut/meat loafs. I asked for the recipie to be told that you take the beef mince and butter beans and make a loaf out of them. :dunno:
 
My autistic-friend-with-food-as-a-specialism does some dribbling wonderful nut/meat loafs. I asked for the recipie to be told that you take the beef mince and butter beans and make a loaf out of them. :dunno:
It might be that simple.
 
nuts? roasted or as is - lovely in a salad :)
I do like nuts Frides and I don't think they are a problem for me, but here's anothing thing- I'm now wondering if the husks etc in granary/grain loafs are causing my problems.

There's only those and *tomatoes to try giving up now- I've run out of options!

*(I didn't even realise that tomatoes can cause stomach problems until some of the guys here spoke about it).
 
My autistic-friend-with-food-as-a-specialism does some dribbling wonderful nut/meat loafs. I asked for the recipie to be told that you take the beef mince and butter beans and make a loaf out of them. :dunno:
No dribble for me if that's ok.
 
I'm now wondering if the husks etc in granary/grain loafs are causing my problems.

my grandma couldn't do tomato skins. The flesh was fine, it was the skins. Doctor said it was thought to be a physical reaction to the nature of the skins rather than a chemical one, if that makes sense?
 
my grandma couldn't do tomato skins. The flesh was fine, it was the skins. Doctor said it was thought to be a physical reaction to the nature of the skins rather than a chemical one, if that makes sense?
I had a customer once who was the other way round: she said she could eat the skin but not the seeds. We thought she was just being fanciful at the time but maybe she was telling the truth?. Although she did also tell us she was extremely allergic to garlic and then proceeded to order the garlic sauce for herself so she was probably full of shit.
 
I had a customer once who was the other way round: she said she could eat the skin but not the seeds. We thought she was just being fanciful at the time but maybe she was telling the truth?. Although she did also tell us she was extremely allergic to garlic and then proceeded to order the garlic sauce for herself so she was probably full of shit.
Some of the guys on here have mentioned tomato seeds. @Tempest63 for one, I think. ?
 
Some of the guys on here have mentioned tomato seeds. @Tempest63 for one, I think. ?
Tomatoes are part of the nightshade family which are reputedly not very good for people with Inflammatory Bowel Disease.
In addition IBD patients i.e., me, are told to avoid anything with small seeds such as tomatoes and raspberries etc, as the seeds can supposedly irritate the lining of the gut.

The only thing that irritates the lining of my gut are gastroenterologists.
 
Tomatoes are part of the nightshade family which are reputedly not very good for people with Inflammatory Bowel Disease.
In addition IBD patients i.e., me, are told to avoid anything with small seeds such as tomatoes and raspberries etc, as the seeds can supposedly irritate the lining of the gut.

The only thing that irritates the lining of my gut are gastroenterologists.
This happened when I briefly worked for Subway. The company's super strict about 'sandwich artists' sticking to the prep, you're not even allowed to advise customers on allergies. A Subway member of staff in New York accidently killed a customer a while back by giving the wrong advice or the customer ordered something dangerous for them, one of the two. The point is, Subway staff aren't allowed to answer allergy questions, they now instead have to hand an A5 sheet to a customer and tell the customer that everything they need to know is on that sheet without getting into any conversation with the customer about ingredients.

I did break the rules once by saying to 'extreme garlic allergy woman' "You'd like garlic sauce?. OK, but it does contain garlic." :loopy:. The security cameras in there recorded sound as well so I was covering my arse.
 
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I do like nuts Frides and I don't think they are a problem for me, but here's anothing thing- I'm now wondering if the husks etc in granary/grain loafs are causing my problems.

There's only those and *tomatoes to try giving up now- I've run out of options!

*(I didn't even realise that tomatoes can cause stomach problems until some of the guys here spoke about it).
One of my favourite rainy day meals was a slow-cooked bolognese (I used beef and pancetta). A River Cottage recipe for which you roast halved tomatoes in the oven to make your tomato sauce and the whole lot gets simmered for 1.5/2 hours. But i found I was getting an upset stomach for several days afterwards and worked out it was the tomatoes and garlic. I so miss that recipe and the veggie pasta sauce variations I used to make (love a classic provencal sauce). I'm hoping that after a few years of avoiding tomatoes I might start to reintroduce them, I don't think it helped that after a bottle (or more) of red wine I would help myself to huge portions of the bolognese...
 
One of my favourite rainy day meals was a slow-cooked bolognese (I used beef and pancetta). A River Cottage recipe for which you roast halved tomatoes in the oven to make your tomato sauce and the whole lot gets simmered for 1.5/2 hours. But i found I was getting an upset stomach for several days afterwards and worked out it was the tomatoes and garlic. I so miss that recipe and the veggie pasta sauce variations I used to make (love a classic provencal sauce). I'm hoping that after a few years of avoiding tomatoes I might start to reintroduce them, I don't think it helped that after a bottle (or more) of red wine I would help myself to huge portions of the bolognese...
Sounds very good.

I did stop eating tomatoes for a while, purely because they are so tasteless now (or supermarket ones are anyway).

I have noticed something already (after a week of not eating fake meat) - that garlic, onions and slightly spicy food isn't causing me any problems, (so far) when I was blaming them before.
 
Great thing about garlic is that you can still use it cooking provide you don't eat it, so for example I roast whole garlic cloves with new potatoes and you still get loads of flavour
 
I have warned MrsF many times that she should not trust establishments that claim that they also do vegan food because;

a) A lot of people don't know for certain what it entails.
b) They simply don't care.
c) Some of them hate vegans, so will deliberately contaminate the food.

She came home very mad this evening.
She had gone to a pub that she and a friend have occasionally gone to over the last couple of years.

When she asked for the chips, the guy said that she couldn't have them as they are not vegan because they are cooked in the same oil as the chicken.

But it says vegan on the menu, she pointed out.
That's our Congleton menu ( a town over 30 miles away) he tells her. (?)

I have told her so many times that you cannot expect a place that isn't 100% vegan and run by (only) vegans, to use different knives/chopping boards/pans/oil etc even if they aren't malicious/incompetent.
 
That's our Congleton menu ( a town over 30 miles away) he tells her. (?)
Oooh, what's it called? We'll drop by next time we're in the area and case it. :wink2:
 
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