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I'm reading the afore mentioned text and finding it very interesting. I had one idea about it. Its been suggested that Roger Bacon may be an unlikely candidate for the author as he died two years after a solar annular eclipse, which it is speculated is the inspiration for such a drawing in the text.

The earliest dating of the manuscript seems to be about 1608-1665.
Perhaps a study of the European locations visible to an annular eclipse between (say) 1200 and 1608 may reveal where it may have been written, and when?
 
New book is published about the Voynich manuscript

One of the old-timers on the Voynich mailing list has written a new book about this mysterious and undeciphered manuscript. I've been intrigued by the Voynich manuscript for several years and tried a few (insignificant and unsuccesfull) analyses myself.

I'm a long time reader of the Voynich mailing list and I've followed the work and hypotheses of this author for several years. So I think I can recommend the book. I've ordered it and will report about it as soon as I have it. Maybe it's something for a book review in the FT?

A few details are on the author's website:
http://www.compellingpress.com/voynich/index.html
 
Looks excellent!

I did think that someone had found another Voynitch book, like a second volume, when I read the title of this thread.

Oh well. :oops:
 
licata1708 said:
I did think that someone had found another Voynitch book, like a second volume.
Sorry for that - I changed the title now (you know - non native English speaker - messes up sometimes).
 
Oh no, it is okay! I did not mean to criticize, I just was bringing up my temporary excitiment about a possible second volume!

I do look forward to hearing your thoughts after you read the book :D
 
I’ve looked at Voynich every now and then for years and it’s still just as much of a mystery.
I’ve been reading Colin Wilson’s newish book ‘Mysteries’ in snatches lately and he mentions alchemy. The strange thing was, as I was reading I thought of Voynich and all those women dipping their bums in water. As I haven’t read any books on the subject I wondered if this had been done as part of someone’s theory?
 
almond13 said:
I’ve looked at Voynich every now and then for years and it’s still just as much of a mystery.
I’ve been reading Colin Wilson’s newish book ‘Mysteries’ in snatches lately and he mentions alchemy. The strange thing was, as I was reading I thought of Voynich and all those women dipping their bums in water. As I haven’t read any books on the subject I wondered if this had been done as part of someone’s theory?

what are you saying? that women dipping their bums in water is the key to turning lead into gold?
also, im working on what amounts to a "voynich manuscript, vol 2." playing with language and weird cyphers is a hobby of mine. itll be about 500 years or so before it's at all credible, but if john dee (or whoever) can pull it off, why can't i?
 
what are you saying? that women dipping their bums in water is the key to turning lead into gold?
Well yes and no, he was saying that the female essence (or whatever) was all-important to the process and that’s what jogged the memory, I suppose. I have a tendency to make the most bizarre connections.

“”but if john dee (or whoever) can pull it off, why can't i?””

Good luck and let me know if you find anything interesting.

;)
 
almond13 said:
I’ve looked at Voynich every now and then for years and it’s still just as much of a mystery.
I’ve been reading Colin Wilson’s newish book ‘Mysteries’ in snatches lately and he mentions alchemy. The strange thing was, as I was reading I thought of Voynich and all those women dipping their bums in water. As I haven’t read any books on the subject I wondered if this had been done as part of someone’s theory?

Newish? Didn't Mysteries come out in the late 1970s? Or has he done a couple of books with the same (or a similar) name?
 
Newish? Didn't Mysteries come out in the late 1970s? Or has he done a couple of books with the same (or a similar) name?
Yes, you’re right it’s 1978. Wilson is not my favourite author, but I had nothing else to read at the time. I’ll keep it for references though. There are very few authors who do this kind of thing these days. :(
 
almond13 said:
Newish? Didn't Mysteries come out in the late 1970s? Or has he done a couple of books with the same (or a similar) name?
Yes, you’re right it’s 1978. Wilson is not my favourite author, but I had nothing else to read at the time. I’ll keep it for references though. There are very few authors who do this kind of thing these days. :(

No problem, I was just curious as to whether he'd revised the same book recently or written something with a similar title. I only actually know the rough date of this as it was one of the first Fortean-type books of any weight that I read and that was around 1981-2. :)
 
I think that the naked women are supposed to be pregnant. As the manuscript goes on they become bigger with pregnancy and then later they have contorted faces as they actually go in to labour. They are healthy and young and symbolise "life". The water and tubes etc that they are in is I believe porporting to show the process for the manufacture of the "water of life", the goal of alchemy. As the philosopher's stone gets near to completion the women giving birth stand out of the water and hold hands in a circle. The word" Zoe" the greek word for "life" is written next to them.

(Well that's my theory)
 
Well that's my theory

That’s interesting. I’m glad to see that I wasn’t a million miles away with what was a only a guess. :)
 
Nice find Mane. The 'new atlantis' stuff is new to me, but i have to say the microscopy slant seems to have some plausibility.

35r and 45v look a lot like rotifiers.
 
Very late as usual - but that microscope comparison is fascinating. Many thanks for the link :)
 
When we've solved Voynich, there's plenty more to do:

Top 10 uncracked codes
Although the internet has spawned a multi-billion dollar industry in creating and cracking codes, crypologists have yet to solve some of the oldest riddles. Below are ten of the most notable:

By Nick Britten 8:30AM GMT 01 Feb 2011

1. The Phaistos Disk is considered the most important example of hieroglyphic inscription from Crete. Discovered in 1903, both sides of the clay disc are covered with hieroglyphs arranged in a spiral zone, impressed on the clay when it was damp. Forty five different types of signs have been distinguished, of which a few can be identified with the hieroglyphs in use in the Proto- palatial period.

2. Linear A is one of two linear scripts used in ancient Crete discovered and named by Arthur Evans. Linear B was deciphered in 1952 by Michael Ventris and was used to write Mycenaean Greek. Linear A is partially understood but parts of it produce works unrelated to any known language.

3. Kryptos is a sculpture by the American artist James Sanborn, located on the grounds of the Central Intelligence Agency in Langley, Virginia. Since its dedication in 1990, there has been much speculation about the meaning of the encrypted messages it bears.

4. Chinese Gold Bar Cipher. In 1933, seven gold bars allegedly issued to a General Wang in Shanghai, China. These gold bars, which contain pictures, Chinese writing, some form of script writing, and cryptograms in Latin letters, appear to represent metal certificates related to a bank deposit with a U.S. Bank and the Chinese writing has been translated, and discusses a transaction in excess of $300,000,000.

5. Beale Ciphers are said to be three encrypted messages which pinpoint where a man named Beale buried two wagons-full of treasure at a secret location in Bedford County in the 1820s. It is claimed one of the messages has been solved, which detailed the tons of gold, silver and jewels that were buried, along with a general location. The still unsolved messages supposedly give exact directions, and a list of who the treasure belongs to.

6. Voynich Manuscript is at least 400 years old and is a 232-page illuminated manuscript entirely written in a secret script. It is filled with copious drawings of unidentified plants, herbal recipes of some sort, astrological diagrams, and many small human figures in strange plumbing-like contraptions. In 2004 there were some compelling arguments which described a technique that would seemingly prove that the manuscript was a hoax, but to date, none of the described techniques have been able to replicate a single section of the Manuscript, so speculations continue.

7. The Dorabella Cipher was written by the composer Elgar in 1897. He sent a letter to a young friend, Miss Dora Penny, the 22 year-old daughter of the Rev. Alfred Penny, Rector of St Peter’s, Wolverhampton, and with it a cipher which to this day has remained unsolved.

8. Chaocipher. John F. Byrne invented Chaocipher in 1918 and tried unsuccessfully for almost 40 years to interest the U.S. government in his cipher system. He offered a reward to anyone who could break his cipher but the reward was never claimed. It has latterly been re-examined by members of his family to determine whether there is any commercial value in it.

9. The D’Agapeyeff cipher is an as-yet unbroken cipher that appears in the first edition of Codes and Ciphers, an elementary book on cryptography published by the Russian-born English cartographer Alexander D’Agapeyeff in 1939. Offered as a “challenge cipher” at the end of the book, it was not included in later editions, and D’Agapeyeff is said to have admitted later to having forgotten how he had encrypted it. It has been argued that the failure of all attempts at decryption is due to D’Agapeyeff incorrectly encrypting the original text. However, it has been argued that the cipher may still be successfully attacked using computational methods such as genetic algorithms.

10. Taman Shud. An unidentified male body was found on Somerton Beach in Adelaide, Australia in 1948 wearing a sweater and coat despite the hot day, carrying no identification. There were no clues as to his identity and dental records and fingerprints matched no living person. An autopsy discovered bizarre congestion, blood in the stomach and enlarged organs but no foreign substances. A suitcase found at the train station that may have belonged to the man contained a pair of trousers with a secret hidden pocket, which held a piece of paper torn from a book imprinted with the words “Taman Shud”. The paper was matched to a very rare copy of Omar Khayyam’s ‘The Rubaiyat’ that was found in the backseat of an unlocked vehicle and on the back of the book was scrawled five lines of capital letters that seem to be a code. To this day, the entire case remains one of Australia’s most bizarre mysteries.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... codes.html

We also have a phaistos disk thread:
http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6509
 
That Taman Shud case is fascinating. Looking at the pic of the dead man shown at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taman_Shud_Case I immediately thought of an hirsute Observer from tv series Fringe.

Maybe the code is what they are always scribbling into their little notebooks ?

Observer14.jpg
 
Thanks for that Rynner, you really brightened up my day "at work" (office bound!). I've not heard of any in the list except the Voynich and I've just spent the last hour or so skim reading them on wiki. The most fascinating to me was the "Taman Shud" sometimes called the "Somerton Man". Even reading it had me on the edge of my seat!
 
How come I've never heard of Taman Shud before? That's Fortean gold right there! Is it a famous case in Australia?
 
Not very famous. I've never heard of it. Of course, it's 20 years before I was born.

Linear A isn't a code, it's a language of unknown origin. This is a bit more problematic.

As far as I know (please correct, if you know of a counter-example), we are yet to translate an unknown language that we couldn't link to a known language. Linear B turned out to be Greek. Hieroglyphs were untranslated until we found the Rosetta Stone, which had the same text in three different languages (two of which we already knew). In most cases, of course, we have living speakers of the language who can be taught our language (and teach theirs in return).

This does not bode well for any messages we receive from aliens, either.
 
The Mail is reporting this as a DaVinci code-esque document and the report implies that the contents are of an alchemical nature. It also appears to be 100 years older than previously thought.

But what really helped was the carbon dating process, which is where scientists measure the amount of radioisotope Carbon 14 which occurs naturally in objects and decays at a predictable rate, making it possible to use it to date things.
That process allowed Dr Hodgins to pinpoint the early 15th century as the only time the manuscript could have been written.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... cript.html
 
jimv1 said:
That process allowed Dr Hodgins to pinpoint the early 15th century as the only time the manuscript could have been written.
What a naive reporter. I’m sure people in the field will be happy to posit it was written on centuries-old vellum, if that fits their particular theory. :)
 
bosskR said:
jimv1 said:
That process allowed Dr Hodgins to pinpoint the early 15th century as the only time the manuscript could have been written.
What a naive reporter. I’m sure people in the field will be happy to posit it was written on centuries-old vellum, if that fits their particular theory. :)


Uh, but it was written on old vellum wasn't it? I thought that was pretty much beyond dispute. It can be traced back to about the 17th C. Everyone accepts it's old, but no one knows what it is, or if it was ever even intended to make sense.

Or have I got that wrong?
 
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