The Wuhan Coronavirus: Conspiracy Theories & Claims

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Another conspiracy theory from a colleague: there were protests in Wuhan just prior to the outbreak (look it up, it's true). The virus is either a punishment or a distraction in response to these protests.
 

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An old quack medicine "conspiracy" (to make money) has re-surfaced in relation to the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak.

Don't fall for it, kids!


FULL STORY: https://www.sciencealert.com/a-dang...as-a-coronavirus-cure-by-conspiracy-theorists
Apparently the rumour comes around because some bleaches say on the container that they kill coronavirus germs. They mean of course if you wipe the bleach on door handles etc. the germs will be destroyed. They don't mean you should drink the stuff. :headbang:
 

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#34
Coronavirus whistleblower doctor Li Wenliang dies from infection in Wuhan, local hospital says
A Wuhan hospital says a Chinese doctor who blew the whistle on the outbreak of coronavirus only to be reprimanded by police has died from the virus, amid confusion over earlier reports of his death and then resuscitation.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-07/doctor-who-warned-of-coronavirus-dies-in-china/11941948
He was only 34! It must be pretty serious if a young man dies from it.
 

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A Wuhan hospital says a Chinese doctor who blew the whistle on the outbreak of coronavirus only to be reprimanded by police has died from the virus, amid confusion over earlier reports of his death and then resuscitation
He's listed as being an opthalmologist. Yet the article indicates he was "keen to get back to fighting the virus on the front line". Whilst he will have of course possessed relevant core medical skills, is this not an odd specialisation to be in such a lead role?

Note that he is being credited as the first identifier of the outbreak...an >optical< specialist.

Apparently he was giving out sage advice that "masks should be worn to reduce infection"- really? This all either slips into the realms of deliberate disinformation, mistranslation or something else altogether.
 

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Perhaps an intriguing article, with more detail regarding the enforced letter.

Wuhan Gets Its First Virus Martyr

The coronavirus has killed an early whistleblower. The question now is whether Beijing celebrates his sacrifice—or buries his story.

Source: foreignpolicy.com
Date: 6 February, 2020

The coronavirus that first erupted in the central Chinese city of Wuhan only made global news in late January. But Li Wenliang tried to raise the alarm on it in December. He was one of eight doctors who posted accounts of the virus online, fearing that it showed human-to-human transmission. The response from the local government was to send police to threaten him and force him to sign a statement saying he wouldn’t make further trouble. The written statement said, “We solemnly warn you: If you keep being stubborn, with such impertinence, and continue this illegal activity, you will be brought to justice—is that understood?”

Li is now dead. His death was reported this morning by multiple outlets, including the highly respected Caixin and the party-owned Global Times. As news of his death spread like wildfire on social media, however, previous reports were deleted, as were threads about him—one of which had recorded 5 million comments—and the claim was put out that he had been “resuscitated” though was still “in critical condition.” It may be that Li was truly lingering on the edge of death. Or it may be that the government was terrified of the possibility of making a martyr. There are claims that Li’s body was literally strapped back into life support when the extent of public anger online became clear. In the end, his employer stated he had died at 2:58 am Friday.

Li was confirmed to have the virus on Feb. 1. At just 34 years old, Li is one of the youngest known victims of the coronavirus. He is not the first medical worker to die, which was the 62-year-old Liang Wudong, and he will not be the last. There are estimates that over 500 health care workers are already infected. It may be that official media is struggling to find a line to tell his story. While the whistleblowers have won applause from a central government eager to blame the local authorities for the failure, spreading news of his death is clearly much riskier, especially as Beijing cracks down on journalists, doctors, and ordinary citizens speaking out.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/06/li-wenliang-coronavirus-lies-wuhan-gets-its-first-virus-martyr/
 

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#40
Aha....but: I thought that 'Wuhan' as a geographic location identifier was already intrinsically-linked to biological warfare?

I mean in the sense of it being an actual (or at least, open-source western-intelligence-services identified-by&declared-as-being-such) facility for weaponisable biological warfare AND an analogue of the US Center For Disease Control?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines/

So Wuhan is theoretically (if ambient pre-'outbreak' reporting can be believed) the near equivalent of Porton Down*, the home of the UK's biological warfare capabilities.

The point being (just in this context) that a thriller author referencing Wuhan with biological warfare (or virology) in China >might< be as teasingly-innocuous as mentioning Murmansk in relation to Russian naval operations.

(*some nice pubs around Porton, such as the Black 'Orse and the Winterborne Arms, I believe. It's just a nice 15min taxi run from the larger hotels in Salisbury....probably well-worth the journey, if you're needing a break from the city)
 

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(*some nice pubs around Porton, such as the Black 'Orse and the Winterborne Arms, I believe. It's just a nice 15min taxi run from the larger hotels in Salisbury....probably well-worth the journey, if you're needing a break from the city)
And don't forget the cathedral. There's a really nice cathedral in Salisbury. I hear the spire is really something to look at.
 

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Someone on 4chan reckons they're burning tens of thousands of bodies outside Wuhan.

 

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Wouldn't trust anything from that wretched hive of scum and villainy. They've made up too many hoaxes and disinfo in the past, some quite elaborate.
This theory seems pretty tenuous.
 

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This is an interesting read on the subject. The Lancet models quoted, f true, are extremely worrying.
Hmmm interesting indeed. And this article makes mention of the crematoriums working non-stop, just as mentioned in the 4Chan links above. (Not that I trust anything from 4Chan, but still...)

:thought:

EDIT: If this Taiwan News can be trusted/believed, which it may not be (thanks for the heads up Yithian).
 

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This is an interesting read on the subject. The Lancet models quoted, f true, are extremely worrying.
Read the Lancet by all means, but don't give any credit to Taiwanese articles on mainland China or vice-versa.

'May' becomes 'probably will', 'probably will' becomes 'inevitably will' and simple cock-up is attributed to malice.

My experience is once you strip out the spin, you discover there is no substance at the heart.
 

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For instance:

Both the U.S. and the U.K. have gone against WHO advice and advised against all but essential travel to the whole of China. Other countries, including Australia, New Zealand, and Italy have banned all flights from China, and any foreign traveler who has visited China in the past 14 days is not permitted to enter these or many other countries, including Taiwan.
Why do these governments feel they need to take these steps when the WHO has actively discouraged them from doing so? The only possible reason is that they have an idea of the true extent of the coronavirus outbreak and little or no faith in the WHO's work to prevent its spread.

The only possible reason?

How about it being they're simply erring on the side of over-caution when dealing with a potentially deadly virus?

'Little or no faith'?

I learnt this in an EFL class and I've been itching to use it in an article...
 

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#50
This is a great conclusion:

This has to stop, and it has to stop now. It is no longer sufficient for the international community to hide behind a discredited WHO and continue to take the Chinese Communist regime at its word on this.
If China is not willing to come clean and work together with the international community to address the coronavirus outbreak before it is too late, it must be forced to do so. If this cannot be achieved through the usual international forums, then it must happen another way.
Even if the international community has to place the whole of Communist China in effective quarantine and shut all borders around the world to Chinese people to force the regime’s hand or provoke a popular uprising, this must be done.
The only thing the international community can do to protect the lives of innocent people is to overthrow COMMUNIST CHINA, recognise Taiwan as an independent state and give them back the country they lost in 1949!

FUCK YEAH!

THOSE WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION RUNNING-DOG BASTARDS!
 

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I realise that some of the figures quoted in the article are going to be dubious given that it's a Taiwanese article about China, however it's the only article I've come across which quotes the Lancet and the model of the virus. Most MSM are reporting the 'official figures' with no mention that a respected journal has disputed China's numbers. I very much doubt we'll ever get the full facts about all of this, I'm just intrigued by the subject as I've never seen governments respond to something like this in the manner that they're doing. Do they know something we mere mortals don't or is everyone over reacting?
 

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I realise that some of the figures quoted in the article are going to be dubious given that it's a Taiwanese article about China, however it's the only article I've come across which quotes the Lancet and the model of the virus. Most MSM are reporting the 'official figures' with no mention that a respected journal has disputed China's numbers. I very much doubt we'll ever get the full facts about all of this, I'm just intrigued by the subject as I've never seen governments respond to something like this in the manner that they're doing. Do they know something we mere mortals don't or is everyone over reacting?
Accepted and agreed, but a model is only a model.

And there are still a lot of uncertains: incubation period, infection rate, resultant immunity.

Each one of those that you assume incorrectly is another potential flaw in the model.

Governments will have consulted and been given a range of scenarios from best to worst with a concomitant estimate of the likelihood of each. If the worst-case is bad enough, then taking the short-term political hit (being seen as lacking in fortitude and suffering Chinese government wrath and a resulting fall in trade/investment) will be viewed as the more palatable option.

Most politicians are conservative in a basic sense, regardless of the rosette they wear, because power is more often secured when one side screws up than when the other scores a great success.

This general principle applies doubly to incumbent politicians.
 

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This has got all the hallmarks of Stephen King's 'The Stand'. M-O-O-N spells coronavirus conspiracy, laws yes.
 
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