The Yeti

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http://siberiantimes.com/weird-and-...ws/is-this-the-first-sighting-of-a-baby-yeti/

A boy who filmed the 'clearest evidence' so far of the Yeti in Siberia has spoken for the first time of how he came face to face with the Big Foot.

'At first we decided not to say a word about it', said Zhenya, who comes from the village some 30km from the coal mining city of Leninsk-Kuznetskiy in Kemerovo region.

He spoke as Russia's leading proponent of the elusive - many say mythical - creature claims 12 year old Yevgeny Anisimov's footage shows not one but two Yetis, the second being a baby or child, adding that his thesis is backed by experts in the US and Canada.

For Yevgeny - or Zhenya - the 'sighting', covered by The Siberian Times in February 2013, has brought mainly problems after his teacher said the incident was a stunt, and he was ticked off for swearing in the video as he and two friends ran away in fright.

'At first we decided not to say a word about it', said Zhenya, who comes from the village some 30km from the coal mining city of Leninsk-Kuznetskiy in Kemerovo region.

'We thought nobody would believe us and people would laugh at us. But I was curious to know who was the one I had filmed.'

The Yeti - or Yeltis - were filmed on his mobile phone through trees and, perhaps frightened by the voices, a blurred shapes is seen moving away.

He told how he showed the video to his grandparents who alerted a neighbour and her grandson, a miner, Yevgeni Pashkov.

'It looks like the bigger Yeti - maybe it was mother or father - was making a path for the smaller one, this also explains why the distance between footprints is not big, just 70-80 cm, just about two and a half times bigger than the footprint itself'.

He forwarded it to Igor Burtsev, Director of the International Centre of Hominology in Moscow, who told Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper the footage was 'not of good quality but still convincing enough'.

'We studied it and realised there are not just one Yeti but two there,' said the 'expert'.

Images of the footprints in the snow show that next to the big one there are small ones too, he claimed.

'It means there were not one but two Yetis, a big and a small one, and they walked one after another, the one behind stepped into the footprints of the one in front,' said Dr Burtsev, who said the video had been analysed by unidentified experts in the US and Canada.

'Our foreign colleagues agreed with this. It looks like the bigger Yeti - maybe it was mother or father - was making a path for the smaller one, this also explains why the distance between footprints is not big, just 70-80 cm, just about two and a half times bigger than the footprint itself.

'In other words, the bigger Yeti stepped more often making it easier for the younger Yeti to follow him'.

The sighting was close to the frozen Ur River.

'Two minutes 39 seconds from the beginning of the footage - we see a figure', Burtsev said.

'At that moment Zhenya's phone switched off because of the frost. He has a simple cheap phone, it is a frequent problem. 'He switched it on again and then we see a figure in focus. Until 2 minutes 51 seconds it stands still, a full 12 seconds. At first we thought we saw extra long arms but now we think these were the legs of younger Yeti, who was carried by the bigger one.

'Then the Yeti turns around, quickly runs to the left, just for 2 or 3 seconds, and we see the figure is quite wide, but if we suppose he was carrying a child Yeti, then it is clear. And remember about the footprints. All fits now'.

'I am convinced it was a staged performance. Yeti do not exist at all, especially in our area full of fields,' said Irina Ustyuzhanina, senior teacher of Podgorny School. Pictures: The Siberian Times

Dr Burtsev asked the miner to return to the scene with the boy and examine the footprints, now slightly snow covered.

'They found the same footprints and more, they found out that the Yeti left that field, went around it and came back, and then went towards the main road.

'Probably they came back because they were hungry. Yevgeny Pashkov noticed that trees were picked at a height of 150-170 cm, one tree was gnawed in two pieces, the bark of another tree was gnawed.'

Burtsev asked Pashkov and other locals to leave some food for the hungry Yetis, and reports say they left several chickens killed by a wild mink.

Meanwhile, Zhenya, who has won global fame for his pictures, says that he believes in the Yeti - but added that he faces problems from his teachers and other locals who do not believe him.

He was 'shouted at' for swearing as he fled the scene.

'I am convinced it was a staged performance. Yeti do not exist at all, especially in our area full of fields,' said Irina Ustyuzhanina, senior teacher of Podgorny School.

However, the local administration believes the boys. And now he has a certificate from Dr Burtsev to confirm the sighting.

So what was it then? Watch the video, caution - swear words!
 

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Footprints in the snow look odd - all in one line, like the creature has only one foot.

Yes, yes, it's a Bigfoot.
 

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Footprints in the snow look fine, like a female who is "tightrope walking" as opposed to "tramline walking". If she has young it would make more sense for her to carry it and to keep her feet under her, rather than trying to walk as though she has her gonads on the outside. :roll:
 

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But all in one line is a typical sasquatch pattern, isn't it?
 

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Just to let those who are interested know, the 1957 Abominable Snowman with Peter Cushing and Forrest Tucker is on the BBC I player at present.
 

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The photo of Himalayan tourism exponent Steve Berry's discovery in the latest FT made me seek out his website:
http://www.mountainkingdoms.com/new...-steve-berry-finds-mysterious-tracks-himalaya

Though the photo on that blog post is different to the one that is in the FT, which seems to be all over February's tabloid sites (you can image search for that). As the article said, it is a bit Devil's Footprints with the Yeti tracks all in a line like that. Any thoughts? Is he just drumming up business or is his proximity to the mountains making him more likely to see stuff?
 

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Perhaps his location makes it more likely to make him see stuff that's interpreted as connected with the Yeti.
 

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Could be. Could also be a supermodel out for a bracing stroll practicing her catwalk technique in the snow.
 

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There's a letter in FT340 that quotes Brian Blessed in saying he believes Yeti are migratory, go around in packs with pet wolves, and are generally tolerated by Mongolians. Leaving aside that Mr Blessed could pass for a Yeti, where was he getting all this from? From speaking to the locals?
 

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Also he can likely speak with wolves.
 

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Doing a spot of searching, I discovered Mr Blessed has written a book on the Yeti, so he must have researched the subject on his travels. The book doesn't seem to be available anywhere, though. Maybe he found new material? I also found he doesn't need Viagra and plans never to die, so there's that.
 

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I think it's a children's book.
 

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I also found he doesn't need Viagra and plans never to die, so there's that.
Didn't he have a heart scare recently?
 

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I think it's a children's book.
Doesn't mean he hasn't researched the subject, though it might mean his findings might not be worth relating to adults (!).
 

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I didn't think much of Mark Evans' programme last night. It was like he was determined that the yeti should be a real flesh and blood creature - why does it need to be? All that testing of bits of alleged yeti. And to resort to that tired old theory (put about 100 years ago for fairies in this country) that it could be a memory of Other People.. I thought that was unimaginative. Stories about wild men are all over the world. But he didn't really examine why that might be. It might not be because they actually exist. It might be because as human beings we have this need to tell stories about such things. That would have been a perfectly decent angle.

I'm not saying I didn't like the spooky yeti hands in that dusty building though. That was good fortean stuff.

But that credulous man with his photo of tracks 100s of metres away ('yes this completely changed my mind, I totally believe in the yeti now') - get a grip, man. Does logic suggest those tracks were made by a perfectly normal animal, or an unknown man-beast? Dear oh dear. He must believe half a dozen impossible things before breakfast at that rate.
 
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Oh we actually enjoyed it. I think the flesh and blood creature idea comes from all the bones, hair etc that have been purported to come from the yeti. I never really thought the polar bear/brown bear hybrid idea sounded very likely but it was interesting that the samples tested were some type of bear.

I loved the folk memory idea! I love the possibility that stories have been passed down for so many thousands of years.

I agree about those tracks though. They looked more like they were from a four-footed animal as the gap between them was so small. I feel I would have been a bit creeped out by them if I had taken the photo myself though, at least initially. :D

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I didn't think much of Mark Evans' programme last night. It was like he was determined that the yeti should be a real flesh and blood creature - why does it need to be? All that testing of bits of alleged yeti. And to resort to that tired old theory (put about 100 years ago for fairies in this country) that it could be a memory of Other People.. I thought that was unimaginative. Stories about wild men are all over the world. But he didn't really examine why that might be. It might not be because they actually exist. It might be because as human beings we have this need to tell stories about such things. That would have been a perfectly decent angle.

I'm not saying I didn't like the spooky yeti hands in that dusty building though. That was good fortean stuff.

But that credulous man with his photo of tracks 100s of metres away ('yes this completely changed my mind, I totally believe in the yeti now') - get a grip, man. Does logic suggest those tracks were made by a perfectly normal animal, or an unknown man-beast? Dear oh dear. He must believe half a dozen impossible things before breakfast at that rate.
An interesting review of existing evidence but Evans may have been too eager.
 

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Watched a good series focused on testing the DNA of purported samples from Bigfoot country, Yeti country and Almasty country. Each was identified as either modern bear, dog or ape, apart from one Himalayan sample which was identified as hair from a species of bear formerly thought extinct for something like 10,000yrs. It was mildly disappointing, but an interesting expose on the delusional capacities of believers who had dedicated their lives in pursuit of either the definitive experience or trying to open up a fleeting experience they'd had years before.

The Bigfoot Files: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/bigfoot-files
 

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An interesting review of existing evidence but Evans may have been too eager.
I've seen worse. At least it avoided false jeopardy rubbish and endless repeated 'reconstruction' shots. I like the idea of the folk memory bolstered by the Homo floresiensis discovery. I thought that was interesting.
 

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I must say I really enjoyed it. I don't buy the yeti as bear explanation though, any more than I do the Hobbits being connected with the Ebu Gogo legends. I think they're both just variants of the universal 'wildman' tales from everywhere else around the world.
 

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MB - "the flesh and blood creature idea comes from all the bones, hair etc that have been purported to come from the yeti." Good point. It's always nice to have something solid to look at. That's definitely something lacking when it comes to so many fortean ('daemonic') things, which tend to fade into nothing (ghosts, fairies, ufos). You can't argue (much) with an actual yeti hand.

and "I love the possibility that stories have been passed down for so many thousands of years." - ooh so do I. And there is some evidence it's true http://rsos.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/3/1/150645 . But you'd think, only in the vaguest possible sense. What with all the 'chinese whispers'.

I think the Bigfoot Files were Mark Evans' previous series? I did enjoy it. But I think you're right Skinny, believers have put so much store by believing that they can't stop now, so they feel they have to keep going. I suppose we're all a bit like that?
 

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She also admitted that it's basically wishful thinking on her part.
 

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You can argue with a yeti hand. If a yeti scalp owned by the people who should know the yeti turns out to be goat skin, that rather undermines the whole thing.
 

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I don't think someone like Goodall would ever publicly admit that she's had any encounters with a Yeti if that be the case.
Also, in my view, this is not a flesh and blood creature.
 

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You can argue with a yeti hand. If a yeti scalp owned by the people who should know the yeti turns out to be goat skin, that rather undermines the whole thing.
Talk to the hand?

Actually that's what I meant Xanatic - I'm not saying I believe they're real yeti hands! Just that tangible proof is more convincing to people. And that such a thing isn't usual for fortean creatures.

Besides, the owners of the hand might have acquired it while completely believing it was genuine, they don't have to be trying to have everyone else on.
 

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I love mountaineering from a comfy armchair with a good hot cuppa and I also love coming across fortean references in non-fortean books. Here is one from Ghosts of K2 by Mick Conefrey (the title is not how it sounds by the way, it is about the history of summit attempts!)

It is from a 1938 reconnaissance visit from a team led by Charlie Houston and Bob Bates. Charlie, along with Paul Petzolt had got within 2000m of the summit but with having forgotten to take matches with them (d'oh!), the food running out and the weather about to come in they abandoned their attempt and went back to the camp to collect the rest of their team and descend the mountain.

"As they were climbing down an icy gully below their third camp, a huge boulder suddenly came hurtling towards them. Fortunately, Pasang Kikuli spotted it in time to warn everyone to take cover as it smashed into another rock and splintered. He later said that a Yeti had warned him to duck."

I assume he was jesting, still it is interesting!
 
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