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That, however, comes over as more than slightly priggish. Others probably found it distinctly amusing. You do seem to want to monitor the tone of threads - there's really no need. Just report the post and let the rather dazzling mod team deal with it.

If people overstep the line too much, it will be addressed.
I actually didn't find it priggish. In these days of being outraged by everything, the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki have appalled people for generations and rightly so. It's understandable to be shocked and saddened by it.

I was a member of CND for years when I was younger and I didn't understand the reasons for the bombings - I do now. It's still a horrifically titanic event that changed the world, (not just mankind), forever.


edit: wow I just read the follow-up. Well, that didn't end well.
 
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I actually didn't find it priggish. In these days of being outraged by everything, the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki have appalled people for generations and rightly so. It's understandable to be shocked and saddened by it.

I was a member of CND for years when I was younger and I didn't understand the reasons for the bombings - I do now. It's still a horrifically titanic event that changed the world, (not just mankind), forever.


edit: wow I just read the follow-up. Well, that didn't end well.
I still find it unacceptably horrific, but I was born 10 years after the war ended and probably do not understand the emotions of the time. I'm still thinking there must have been some other way. I'm no friend of the Japanese militaristic tendency, and I despise their behaviour in the war, but they were provoked on several levels.
 

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Federal Election in Australia today, and polling booths tend to be held on school grounds. Walking in to cast my vote, a lady handing out How To Vote cards asked if I was there to vote. I said yes, but felt like answering "No, I thought, as a grown man, I'd just hang around a school for no real reason!" - of course I was there to vote, what other reason did she think I had to be there?!
 

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Federal Election in Australia today, and polling booths tend to be held on school grounds. Walking in to cast my vote, a lady handing out How To Vote cards asked if I was there to vote. I said yes, but felt like answering "No, I thought, as a grown man, I'd just hang around a school for no real reason!" - of course I was there to vote, what other reason did she think I had to be there?!
I get that when I'm standing at a bus stop "Are you waiting for a bus?" No, I'm the bus stop serial killer.
 

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I actually didn't find it priggish...
It wasn't in isolation. Attempted thread marshalling had been going on a while. Anyway, you see how it panned out.

For the record, I of course agree that atomic bombings are horrific, but whether or not after 75 years they can be the subject of quite mild jokes is a discussion in itself.
 

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It wasn't in isolation. Attempted thread marshalling had been going on a while. Anyway, you see how it panned out.

For the record, I of course agree that atomic bombings are horrific, but whether or not after 75 years they can be the subject of quite mild jokes is a discussion in itself.
fair enough.
 

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Atrocities perpetrated by the Imperial Japanese military, from the Nanjing genocide and throughout World War 2, have been doing the rounds on Quora and Pinterest recently. They graphically illustrate the inhuman hive-mentality of the Japanese forces at that time. There is little doubt that they would have fought fanatically island by island and for every inch of the mainland. The war would have dragged on well after 1945 and resulted in astronomical numbers of allied casualties had the bombs not been dropped. One mystery remains though: why was the obscene bastard Hirohito not hanged for war crimes?
 

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Atrocities perpetrated by the Imperial Japanese military, from the Nanjing genocide and throughout World War 2, have been doing the rounds on Quora and Pinterest recently. They graphically illustrate the inhuman hive-mentality of the Japanese forces at that time. There is little doubt that they would have fought fanatically island by island and for every inch of the mainland. The war would have dragged on well after 1945 and resulted in astronomical numbers of allied casualties had the bombs not been dropped. One mystery remains though: why was the obscene bastard Hirohito not hanged for war crimes?
Because they needed to end it quickly and if they'd hanged him you would have had an uprising and you'd have been back to square one.
 

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Because they needed to end it quickly and if they'd hanged him you would have had an uprising and you'd have been back to square one.
There was no German uprising when high-ranking Nazis were hanged. Hirohito was every bit as obscenely evil as them.
For some reason, the war crimes tribunal seemed to treat the Japs more leniently than the Nazis, handing out custodial sentences to a handful of perpetrators such as Togo, rather than the death sentences they deserved.
 

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There was no German uprising when high-ranking Nazis were hanged. Hirohito was every bit as obscenely evil as them.
For some reason, the war crimes tribunal seemed to treat the Japs more leniently than the Nazis, handing out custodial sentences to a handful of perpetrators such as Togo, rather than the death sentences they deserved.
Completely different regime. Completely different society. You have hundreds of years of Japanese culture based on the support of the Emperor. He was also probably a figurehead, who knows?

Hitler was a recent product and had not built up the ties that hundreds of years of Emperor worship had in Japan. Much easier to get the population onside with Japan.

Again I cite Saipan.
 
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There was no German uprising when high-ranking Nazis were hanged. Hirohito was every bit as obscenely evil as them.
For some reason, the war crimes tribunal seemed to treat the Japs more leniently than the Nazis, handing out custodial sentences to a handful of perpetrators such as Togo, rather than the death sentences they deserved.
I also think that at this point American was sick of the whole thing and clearly knowing the next enemy was the Soviet empire. Patton was right and also wrong it would have been a huge gamble to take on the Soviets.
 

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Completely different regime. Completely different society. You have hundreds of years of Japanese culture based on the support of the Emperor. He was also probably a figurehead, who knows?

Hitler was a recent product and had not built up the ties that hundreds of years of Emperor worship had in Japan. Much easier to get the population onside with Japan.

Again I cite Saipan.
I'm no historical expert on this period, but Wiki does suggest that the "divine empire" ethos and the associated Japanese military expansionism can be dated back only to the Meiji restoration in the late 19th century. A bit longer than the rise and demise of Hitler granted, but not centuries.

There were many voices arguing that letting the figurehead of militant Japanese imperialism go unpunished after the war was a mistake. The resurgence in Japanese extreme nationalism today is perhaps related to the allies not eliminating the last vestiges of "divine empire".
 
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I'm no historical expert on this period, but Wiki does suggest that the "divine empire" ethos and the associated Japanese military expansionism can be date back only to the Meiji restoration in the late 19th century. A bit longer than the rise and demise of Hitler granted, but not centuries.

There were many voices arguing that letting the figurehead of militant Japanese imperialism go unpunished after the war was a mistake. The resurgence in Japanese extreme nationalism today is perhaps related to the allies not eliminating the last vestiges of "divine empire".
I've seen Hirohito in person.
To cut a long story short, I was in Tokyo in January of 1983. Having arrived on an early morning flight, our hotel room was not yet ready.
At that time, the Imperial Palace itself (the gardens are open year round) was only open two days each year, January 2 and the Emperor's birthday (I believe this was in April) and it was suggested we visit there to pass the time.
After wandering the gardens, we were escorted into this enormous quadrangle, filled with thousands of silently waiting Japanese all holding small Japanese flags. We too were given flags and then escorted into a sectioned off area filled with foreign press all either sitting or standing on bleachers.
The crowd was completely silent and we were all facing a wall of the palace which had a balcony with two large sliding timber doors. After a few minutes, the doors slowly slid open and there stood Hirohito wearing a morning suit and hat and the Imperial/Royal family. The crowd erupted in a frenzy of flag waiving, Hirohito bowed to us all, followed by his family and then the doors slowly slid closed.
Before visiting the palace, we had no idea that the Emperor was to make an appearance. This was certainly a case of being in the right place at the right time and a hugely memorable event.
 
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I've seen Hirohito in person.
To cut a long story short, I was in Tokyo in January of 1983. Having arrived on an early morning flight, our hotel room was not yet ready.
At that time, the Imperial Palace itself (the gardens are open year round) was only open two days each year, January 2 and the Emperor's birthday (I believe this was in April) and it was suggested we visit there to pass the time.
After wandering the gardens, we were escorted into this enormous quadrangle, filled with thousands of silently waiting Japanese all holding small Japanese flags. We too were given flags and then escorted into a sectioned off area filled with foreign press all either sitting or standing on bleachers.
The crowd was completely silent and we were all facing a wall of the palace which had a balcony with two large sliding timber doors. After a few minutes, the doors slowly slid open and there stood Hirohito and the Imperial/Royal family. The crowd erupted in a frenzy of flag waiving, Hirohito bowed to us all, followed by his family and then the doors slowly slid closed.
Before visiting the palace, we had no idea that the Emperor was to make an appearance. This was certainly a case of being in the right place at the right time and a hugely memorable event.
That's a tangible piece of history you experienced there LL!
Bit like my wife who, as a very young girl, remembers the somewhat more benign historical character of General Charles de Gaulle visiting her school in rural France and shaking her hand.

Not sure I would have felt at ease though participating in an adulatory or even respectful ceremony for such a vile, genocidal monster as Hirohito who, if you believe in the wages of sin and all that, will be experiencing a rather uncomfortable afterlife, along with the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mau Zedong, Idi Amin, Pol Pot and such like.
 

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What I don't understand is why the US simply didn't lay siege to Japan. ...
The cursory answer is that a protracted siege / blockade would have cost much time, much cost, and much risk to the predominantly naval and air personnel involved.

As of July 1945 the Japanese army and navy still had circa 10,000 aircraft suitable for kamikaze use.

The IJN still had 46 operational (full-size) submarines.

In addition, Japan had about 100 Kōryū-class midget submarines, 300 smaller Kairyū-class midget submarines, 120 Kaiten manned torpedoes, and 2,412 Shin'yō suicide boats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall#Operation_Ketsugō

These and other assets would have been thrown at a blockading / besieging force the same way they were being planned to be thrown at a landing force.
 

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The cursory answer is that a protracted siege / blockade would have cost much time, much cost, and much risk to the predominantly naval and air personnel involved.

As of July 1945 the Japanese army and navy still had circa 10,000 aircraft suitable for kamikaze use.

The IJN still had 46 operational (full-size) submarines.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall#Operation_Ketsugō

These and other assets would have been thrown at a blockading / besieging force the same way they were being planned to be thrown at a landing force.
I suppose so. And the US has never really understood the art of blockade. I hate that the bloody things were used but maybe the upside is that people have been put off from using them again. I don't know how long that will last.
 

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...they would have fought fanatically island by island and for every inch of the mainland. The war would have dragged on well after 1945 and resulted in astronomical numbers of allied casualties had the bombs not been dropped.
“If the US casualty rate during the invasion of Japan had been only 5% as high per unit area as it was at Okinawa, the US would still have lost 297,000 soldiers (killed or missing).”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall#Estimated_casualties

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my granddad was all for dropping the atomic bombs, he said they saved his life. (no armoured flight deck on hms campania) but the war was over before he got there.
 

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I often find myself rolling my eyes about modern claims of chauvinism, but this shows that the real thing is alive and well!

A squash championship in northern Spain has sparked a debate about sexism in sport after female participants were awarded a vibrator, wax and a kit to remove foot calluses.
The top women players of the Asturias championship wrote to the local squash federation to complain about the incident.
It prompted resignations at the club that organised the event.
Contest winner Elisabet Sadó told the BBC that "things have to change".
Ms Sadó was awarded a trophy and a vibrator for getting the top spot in the competition.
The women in second, third and fourth places won an electronic foot file or hair removal wax.
Full Story:​
 

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I often find myself rolling my eyes about modern claims of chauvinism, but this shows that the real thing is alive and well!

A squash championship in northern Spain has sparked a debate about sexism in sport after female participants were awarded a vibrator, wax and a kit to remove foot calluses.
The top women players of the Asturias championship wrote to the local squash federation to complain about the incident.
It prompted resignations at the club that organised the event.
Contest winner Elisabet Sadó told the BBC that "things have to change".
Ms Sadó was awarded a trophy and a vibrator for getting the top spot in the competition.
The women in second, third and fourth places won an electronic foot file or hair removal wax.
Full Story:​
That's just a WTF situation. Giving a sex toy away as an award?
I'm gonna say that is an example of both monumental stupidity and outright sexism.
 
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