Things That Make You Go... WTF?

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The "nazi pug" guy discussed earlier on this thread has been fined £800.
The schweinhund lost his right to appeal! This affair has dogged us for long enough, time to curtail it.

A YouTuber who raised £200,000 by crowdfunding online to challenge a conviction for sharing footage of himself training a dog to perform a Nazi salute has had his application to appeal thrown out by the Supreme Court.

Mark Meechan, 32, was ordered to pay £800 after he uploaded a video of his girlfriend’s dog lifting its paw when he said “Sieg Heil” and reacting to the phrase, “Gas the Jews”. He was found guilty of breaching the Communications Act by publishing material that was racist, grossly offensive and antisemitic in nature at a trial at Airdrie sheriff court in April last year.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/past-six...-dog-man-denied-appeal-to-top-court-2lcxtb5qh
 

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The schweinhund lost his right to appeal! This affair has dogged us for long enough, time to curtail it.

A YouTuber who raised £200,000 by crowdfunding online to challenge a conviction for sharing footage of himself training a dog to perform a Nazi salute has had his application to appeal thrown out by the Supreme Court.

Mark Meechan, 32, was ordered to pay £800 after he uploaded a video of his girlfriend’s dog lifting its paw when he said “Sieg Heil” and reacting to the phrase, “Gas the Jews”. He was found guilty of breaching the Communications Act by publishing material that was racist, grossly offensive and antisemitic in nature at a trial at Airdrie sheriff court in April last year.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/past-six...-dog-man-denied-appeal-to-top-court-2lcxtb5qh
He's cleaned up nicely there, lots of stupid racists lining his greedy pockets.
 

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The schweinhund lost his right to appeal! This affair has dogged us for long enough, time to curtail it.

A YouTuber who raised £200,000 by crowdfunding online to challenge a conviction for sharing footage of himself training a dog to perform a Nazi salute has had his application to appeal thrown out by the Supreme Court.

Mark Meechan, 32, was ordered to pay £800 after he uploaded a video of his girlfriend’s dog lifting its paw when he said “Sieg Heil” and reacting to the phrase, “Gas the Jews”. He was found guilty of breaching the Communications Act by publishing material that was racist, grossly offensive and antisemitic in nature at a trial at Airdrie sheriff court in April last year.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/past-six...-dog-man-denied-appeal-to-top-court-2lcxtb5qh
It was comedy.

Whether or not you or I think it was amusing or in good taste, the idea that judges will strip words and actions of their context and take them literally is a very worrying development. It reminds me of the chap who laughingly declared that he was going to blow an airport sky-high owing to the delays he was suffering and was prosecuted for making a legitimate threat. The language used was deliberately dramatic and would have been quite absurd from a genuine terrorist.

Meechan, whatever else he may be, has never given any clue that he might be an anti-semite. As for being grossly offensive, I'm pretty sure that I recall that there were no complaints from the public, so the authorities themselves had to complain.

Not good.
 

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I think he was more prosecuted for yelling "gas the jews" over and over for 2 minutes rather than for not being funny. That is a bit more than merely "not funny".
To be clear, I don't like that (although I think you have slightly mischaracterised the video: it had coherence).

Nonetheless:-
  1. There are clear legal contexts in which one can utter the words 'Gas the Jews' with impunity, not least quotation. To my knowledge, there are no words or combinations of words that are illegal to speak aloud in and of themselves (under English law). So he was not 'prosecuted for 'merely' yelling "gas the jews" as you suggest. He was prosecuted for his supposed intent in saying that--a crucial distinction.
  2. Nobody seems to believe he was attempting to incite anybody to carry out that crime--least of all the dog he was addressing.
  3. Although the speech was said to be grossly offensive, there wasn't much sign of offended parties.
  4. The comedy part--yes, poor--was that his partner doted on the dog and he had taught it to perform the worst 'trick' he could imagine.
  5. The fact that--as he made clear--having the dog seemingly respond to Nazi hatred with affirmation was the 'worst thing' he could imagine, would appear to imply that he did not agree with crimes against the Jewish people and did not wish them to be carried out.
I'm not going to say that I like the idea, but any moral philosopher will tell you that if you cannot clearly enunciate why and how an action is morally wrong, you are likely to be expressing personal taste; we should not legislate in matters that pertain solely to personal taste.

I'm not absolutely convinced that there cannot be a plausible legal/moral argument against him here, and I'm open to having my mind changed, but if there is one, I haven't seen it here and didn't see it in the reporting of the trial.

Legislation against 'that kind of thing' is very poor legislation.
 

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To be clear, I don't like that (although I think you have slightly mischaracterised the video: it had coherence).
I don't remember coherence, just repetition. I do understand what you are saying and I nearly agree but for the fact that it pretty much was just him yelling "gas the jews" over and over again. It might have been amusing if he had done it once or twice as the dogs apparent excitement over those words could have been funny. However, him shouting it over and over again really did begin to seem rather like incitement to me.
 

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If i spam "gas the Jews" on the jokes thread the mods would accept the post?
 

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Because to do so would be offensive and not at all funny, and I would deserve a good kicking.(I wasn't even thinking of doing it!)
Correct ... The Terms & Conditions prohibit content that is:

... defamatory, abusive, hateful, threatening, ... , likely to offend, that invites or inflames discord (e.g., "trolling"), or serves solely to promote a particular political, religious, or commercial interest or agenda ...
 

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.. I spoke to a journalist on the phone. I've just learned it got into the daily fail as well. He was being a proper twat just because he was asked to take his drink on stage in a plastic instead of a glass. He wasn't being singled out, even the legend John Hurt complied one day without any problems ... part of my chat is in this link. I didn't ask for any payment, he hasn't been back since although he was advertised to do so. I can't name other people because some of them still work there.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5561745/jim-davidson-comedian-diva-barman-spat-glass-stage-facebook/
 
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So, you told her it was "paint"?
She wasn't there .. he wrote on his web site that he'd bought her a coat, brushed past something with wet paint and it got stained. Don't know if he was telling the truth or not.
 

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Ought we prosecute comedians for being rubbish?

If so, it still shouldn't be under hate-crime legislation.
Using anti-semitism (or any from of racism) in a comedy routine and trying to justify it as humour won't wash any more. The world has moved on.
 
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