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Sperm Donation: Oddities; Legalities; Marketing; Etc.

Fallen Angel~ said:
AMPHIARAUS said:
The number of guys I know who were pushed out by their partners, for no reason ...Their respective partners just felt differently about them once a family came along and they changed into family man.

Oh I can maybe shed some light on this little mystery!! Off thread a bit but it has to do with parenting and man hating and that seems to be the subject...
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Yes, yes. I know. He's your mate, he's a lovely bloke, can always buy a round at the pub, blah blah blah. But anyone who is not INSIDE a relationship does not know the whole of what goes on.

I know this a few years too late but I couldn't let this go unaddressed.

That swings both ways and applies to everyone. You use this to suggest that the man, behind closed doors, can be a real shit and not the nice public facade that he uses to misrepresent himself but not that it can be similarly applied to a woman in a relationship?

I suppose you think that all women are blessed saints publicly and privately? That houses everywhere, behind closed doors, radiate with the golden glow of the halo that you seem to think automatically comes with a vagina?

Women can be just as selfish, inconsiderate, malicious two-faced and generally shitty as men.
 
rynner said:
Sperm donor pays maintenance to lesbians
By Graham Tibbetts
Last Updated: 8:42pm GMT 03/12/2007

A sperm donor who helped a lesbian couple have two children is now being forced to pay thousands of pounds for their upbringing, he said.

This is absolutely disgusting and horrific. These women turned to him, as a friend, to help them get something they were desperate to have and this is how they repay him? These people are animals and don't deserve to have the kid if this is how they think morally.

Yet another bloke royally fucked over by the CSA and the government regarding a father's rights.
 
sadly i guess it was only a matter of time, before a lesbian couple showed that they can be just as big a pair of shits as some of the straights out there.

it's the bit where the child's '2nd mother' didn't even bother to adopt that i find really sad... perhaps she wanted to leave herself a nice opt out there :(
 
Sperm to lesbians website founder jailed
By Gary Cleland
Last Updated: 7:04am BST 09/04/2008

The founder of a website which sold sperm to lesbians who wanted children has been jailed for 16 months for fraud and forgery.

John Gonzalez, from Studley Green, near High Wycombe, Bucks, launched mannotincluded.com in June 2002.

The company arranged for the delivery of fresh sperm to women who paid to register with the site, but following initial success it went into liquidation after two-and-a-half years with debts of more than £220,000.

An investigation by the Department of Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform (BERR) found Gonzalez, 45, the company’s director, lied to officials, forged documents and falsified debts in order to avoid handing over assets when the company was wound up.

Passing sentence at Wood Green Crown Court in north London, Judge Juliet May QC said: "Being a company director is a serious responsibility; people who abuse this position must expect to be punished."

Gonzalez was also disqualified from acting as a director for five years.

City Sprint, a courier firm which delivered sperm to customers, was owed £21,000 when mannotincluded.com folded.

As the business was going under, Gonzalez falsely told the liquidator that mannotincluded.com's website and trademark were owned by a company in Cyprus, and forged a document to attempt to prove it.

He also fraudulently diverted £185,000 for personal use from the company accounts, and invented a £125,000 debt to make the business seem more insolvent than it was.

On February 25 Gonzalez pleaded guilty to two counts of fraudulent trading, one of using a false instrument, one of making a false statement on oath and one of misconduct in the course of winding up.

Couples paid a fee of £750 to register with mannotincluded.com, plus a further £80 for three searches which allowed them to access the database of sperm donors.

Fresh sperm, not frozen, was then sent to the prospective parents, who carried out the insemination themselves.

Donors were paid between £50 and £100. Though the service was aimed primarily at lesbian couples and single women, the first baby born using sperm from the site was to a heterosexual couple who had had no success with more conventional fertility treatment.

Among the website’s first lesbian parents were Jamie Saphier and Sarah Watkinson, from the Bootle area of Merseyside.

They paid about £1,500 for sperm to be delivered to their home after they were refused fertility help by their GP.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... ian109.xml
 
Another blow to fatherhood: IVF mothers can name ANYONE as 'father' on birth certificate
By Fiona Macrae
Last updated at 8:11 AM on 02nd March 2009

Family values were under attack again last night with the news that single women having IVF will be able to name anyone they like as their baby's father on the birth certificate.
New regulations mean that a mother could nominate another woman to be her child's 'father'.
The 'father' does not need to be genetically related to the baby, nor be in any sort of romantic relationship with the mother.

Critics said a woman could list her best friend on the birth certificate. The word 'father' may even be replaced with the phrase 'second parent'.
The second parent, who will have to consent to being named, will take on the legal and moral responsibilities of parenthood.
This raises the spectre of a legal minefield in which female 'fathers' will fight for visitation rights and be chased for child support payments if their fragile relationship with the mother breaks down.

The changes, due to come in on April 6, will apply to many of the 2,000 women a year who have IVF using sperm from anonymous donors.

etc...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... icate.html

Er, could you run that by me again? :?

But it'll play havoc in future years with those who want to trace their ancestry..
8)
 
Is this for real?

http://www.iflscience.com/technology/au ... e-hospital

Edit to Add (FYI):
Automatic Sperm Extractor Introduced Into A Chinese Hospital

A Chinese hospital in Nanjing, capital of Jiangsu Province, has introduced a new machine that makes sperm donation even easier- an automatic sperm extractor. I’m all for hands-free technology, but have scientists gone a little too far with this invention?

The effortless machine features a massage pipe that can be adjusted to suit the height of the user. All the gentleman has to do is plug in the frequency, amplitude and temperature and off they go. It’s also fitted with a small screen for those feeling uninspired. ...
 
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I sincerely hope that it is in a private room and not in a public corridor.
 
TheCavynaut said:
I wondered how long this thread would be in coming.
It was a bit premature, it seems!

28 June 2014 Last updated at 00:07
UK facing 'major' sperm shortage
By James Gallagher, Health editor, BBC News online

The UK is facing a major sperm shortage that may be tempting fertility clinics to accept poorer quality sperm, the British Fertility Society (BFS) warns.
Some clinics rely on imported sperm to keep up with demand.

However, the BFS chairman, Dr Allan Pacey, said he was "worried" that some clinics may be setting a lower bar to "get donors through the door".
He said woman may be subjected to more invasive and expensive techniques if poor-quality sperm were used.

There are thought to have been fewer sperm donors after the right to anonymity was removed in 2005.
The demand for donors has been falling as advances in fertility treatment let more men father their own children.
However, a shortage of donors has still emerged.

Figures from the fertility regulator, the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA), show nearly one in four donated sperm samples are from abroad.
The figure was one in 10 in 2005.
Sperm banks in Denmark and the US are the major suppliers.

Dr Pacey warned this was limiting patient choice and increasing waiting times, which led to potential risky practices, including DIY insemination with a friend's sperm or seeking treatment in a country with less fertility regulation.

He told the BBC: "We do still have a major sperm shortage in the UK.
"The worry is clinics might decide to change the quality of sperm they are willing to accept in order to get donors through the door and I think that's a very dangerous road to go down."

He said one possible example was sperm being accepted that would be suitable only for injecting into an egg - intra-cytoplasmic sperm injection - rather than for artificial insemination.
"That is putting the woman through more procedures, in terms of eggs being collected, than would be done if sperm of higher quality was collected and she could be treated with a simple insemination.

"My worry is clinics may be tempted to bend the rules, I have no evidence that they are, but I think when we have a national sperm shortage they're the kind of things we need to be looking for and warding against."

etc...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28061263
 
Hardly a shock.

Donors are told they have no guarantee of anonymity and may be legally pursued for maintenance of the child conceived with their sperm at a later date.

But they get a few quid and a lovely cup of tea.
Not a tempting offer.
 
theyithian said:
Hardly a shock.

Donors are told they have no guarantee of anonymity and may be legally pursued for maintenance of the child conceived with their sperm at a later date.

But they get a few quid and a lovely cup of tea.
Not a tempting offer.
Exactly. Back at the end of the Eighties, beginning of the Nineties, I knew one young trustafarian who was kept fairly busy filling the little sterile specimen cups. Used the cash to supplement his life on the dole. Dread to think how many kids he fathered. If they ever seek him out, he'll rue the day.
 
You get the Red Card unless you have a Party Card.

A Beijing sperm bank has demanded loyalty to the Communist Party from all potential donors.

Peking University Third Hospital said in a statement on its WeChat web page on Wednesday that donors must "love the socialist motherland".

The post also promised 5,500 yuan (£622; $872) to those successful individuals who manage to pass medical tests for fitness and sperm quality.

The statement was later deleted from social media on Friday evening.

It had said that all applicants must be men aged between 20 and 45 and that they must not have any genetic or infectious diseases, or show any signs of weight problems, colour blindness or hair loss.

The men must also have "favourable political qualities", the statement read.

It added that applicants must "support the leadership of the Communist Party, be loyal to the party's cause and be decent, law-abiding citizens, free of political problems".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-43668376
 
The men must also have "favourable political qualities", the statement read.

It added that applicants must "support the leadership of the Communist Party, be loyal to the party's cause and be decent, law-abiding citizens, free of political problems".
So...they're looking for physically-fit mentally ill people?
 
Here's the text of the MIA article about a sperm donor found to have a genetic brain disorder, salvaged from the Wayback Machine:

Sperm donor revealed to have genetic brain disorder

A Dutch sperm donor diagnosed with an untreatable brain disorder may have passed the gene for the disease to 18 children. The man's sperm was used between 1989 and 1995. In 1998, he was formally diagnosed with a late-onset cerebellar ataxia, in which the cerebellum starts shrinking.

The children have a 50 per cent chance of developing the disease. But there is no test available to reveal which children will be affected.
Officials at the Jeroen Bosch Hospital in Den Bosch spent the past three years taking advice from medical experts and ethicists before finally deciding to inform the children's families, according to local newspaper De Volkskrant.

"It's a huge dilemma. It's very sad. You rob people of much of their zest for life and give them uncertainty in return," said Frans Croonen, chairman of the hospital's managing board.

Cerebellar ataxia has a variety of subtypes. Symptoms of the donor's type usually appear between the ages of 20 and 50. The disease is not fatal but causes a progressive impairment of speech, balance and coordination.

Impossible to screen

Donated sperm and eggs are routinely screened for a variety of genetic disorders. "In the UK, we screen for common conditions - for example, cystic fibrosis in Caucasian donors and thalassaemia in Asian donors," says Euripides Mantoudis, a consultant at the London Fertility Centre.
Since there is no test to identify carriers of the gene for the donor's cerebellar ataxia, it would have been impossible to use a sperm screen to reject him. But a full medical family history should have revealed him to be an unsuitable donor, say fertility specialists.

Even if a genetic test for the donor's disease existed, it would not be routinely used to screen sperm, because the disease is rare.

"Screening is expensive. And it would not be practical to screen for all rare genetic conditions," Mantoudis says. "Full medical histories usually prevent this kind of thing happening."

https://web.archive.org/web/20020302162030/https://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991987
 
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https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-50571017
The world's first sperm bank for HIV-positive donors has launched in New Zealand, aiming to fight stigma surrounding the illness.
Three HIV-positive men have already signed up to donate - all of whom have an undetectable viral load.

Please tell me this a joke and there's no way a sperm bank is going take sperm from someone who is hiv positive.
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-50571017
The world's first sperm bank for HIV-positive donors has launched in New Zealand, aiming to fight stigma surrounding the illness.
Three HIV-positive men have already signed up to donate - all of whom have an undetectable viral load.


Please tell me this a joke and there's no way a sperm bank is going take sperm from someone who is hiv positive.

Read the article again.
 
Maybe I'm missing something here, or I'm not sufficiently up-to-date on advances in HIV deterrence ...

If I understand correctly, they're essentially using the sperm bank as a demonstration platform for illustrating the usability of HIV-positive sperm from donors who supposedly can't transmit the virus via their sperm.

I respect the intention to provide HIV-positive folks with support for having children, but ...

(1) I have a problem accepting at face value the implicit claim that sperm containing an undetectable viral load is incapable of transmitting any / enough virus to be a problem for the resultant child. "Undetectable" only means the viral load is low enough to not nudge a measurement higher than zero (according to the measuring instrument). It doesn't mean the virus is entirely absent.

(2) I'm not sure there's a viral load low enough to be "safe" for any / all resultant children. It seems to me the recipient / mother could conceivably (no pun intended) carry or impart characteristics which might leave the child defenseless against even an undetectable viral load.

(3) Nowhere do I see any mention of how the service is going to certify(?) the supposedly "safe"(?) viral load level to recipients (or regulators, etc.) so that everyone can have confidence the donated sperm entails no risk.

(4) Most generally ... I find it sorta mind-blowing that anyone would go to this much trouble and still possibly be gambling with a potential risk of exposing a child to lifelong HIV issues just to satisfy someone's abstract desire for parenthood.
 
Agreed. I wouldn't trust them to be absolutely sure. Plus I am not convinced that the best way to educate people on HIV is to start telling them it is okay to have unprotected sex with someone who is HIV positive. People do not always take the correct message from health campaigns. In fact they rarely do it seems.

I can see this initiative prompting other sperm banks to make a point of advertising their product as certified NOT from HIV positive doners.
Just beggars belief that anyone thought this would be a good idea.
 
Have I misunderstood?

I took it that the sperm bank was going to supply sperm from HIV-positive donors to HIV-Positive recipients who wish to conceive with the assurance that the child will not carry the disease.

I didn't understand it as saying that they will serve the wider HIV-negative community.
 
It does sound to me like they just wish to donate to anyone. To people who like to gamble I suppose.
 
Have I misunderstood?
I took it that the sperm bank was going to supply sperm from HIV-positive donors to HIV-Positive recipients who wish to conceive with the assurance that the child will not carry the disease.
I didn't understand it as saying that they will serve the wider HIV-negative community.

This is the same confusion I had ... I tacitly presumed the point was to establish a donor program for HIV-positive clients (on both sides of the transaction). However, upon re-reading the article I realized there was no clear indication of who the intended / expected recipient clientele may be. I further realized there was no clear indication this was or would become an established service.

This is why I referred to it as a "demonstration platform." I'm still unsure what they're demonstrating.

In any case, I'm still apprehensive about anyone gambling with a child's life (and life prospects) based on confidence in the current state of the art in HIV knowledge, treatment and / or countermeasures. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if a viral load considered assuredly safe today would eventually prove to be something other than the sure thing these well-meaning folks seem to presume.
 
Probably not the right thread but this made me go WTF: with relatively few hospitals in Japan that carry out artificial insemination procedures (strictly controlled access) and only one official sperm bank, there is a reputed social media black market in anonymous sperm donation.
A Tokyo woman and her husband trying to conceive, came into contact with a man on a sperm donation account. He claimed to be Japanese, single and a Kyoto University graduate, so the woman and donor had sex 10 times before she conceived. She then discovered he was Chinese, had a wife and was not a graduate. She gave up the baby to a child care facility and is suing the donor for £2 million for emotional distress and lying in order to have sex with her. As this is the first legal case of it's kind and neither party acting within the law, I'm interested in the outcome.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/01/13/mother-gives-baby-adoption-dishonest-sperm-donor/
 
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