This picture proves that Jesus was a time traveller

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...or does it?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird...tellite?_ga=1.164010879.1578470081.1478438090

Crazy claim THIS picture is proof Jesus travelled through time and brought back satellite
CONSPIRACY theorists claim this painting could be proof of time travel amid claims it shows Jesus with a Sputnik Satellite-like object.
By JON AUSTIN
PUBLISHED: 17:23, Wed, Feb 17, 2016 | UPDATED: 20:44, Wed, Feb 17, 2016

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Conspiracists say there could be a satellite in this religious image
The painting - The Glorification of the Eucharist painted by Ventura Salimbeni in 1595 which hangs in Florence, Italy, - is of the Holy Trinity, Jesus, God and a dove representing the Holy Ghost.

But an alarming number of alien hunters and Conspiracy theorists have dreamed up an outlandish theory that the spherical object between them shows the pair with futuristic technology.

Sputnik was the first artificial satellite to orbit Earth launched by the Soviet Union in 1957.

Steve Mera, heads the Manchester Association of Paranormal Investigation & Training (MAPIT), one of the UK's biggest paranormal organisations.

He tours the country speaking at conferences where he puts forward the proposition.



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He said: "You start to find a lot of religious conotation linked in with the UFO phenomenon

"This painting (the Eucharist) was painted in the 1600s and nobody ever really knew what that was a painting of, until we kind of looked at Sputnik, which was the first satellite to pass round the Earth.

"What is really, really interesting is it is surprisingly similar to Sputnik, even to the point there is a little nodule there (on Sputnik) and the exact same nodule on the side there (on the object in the painting)."

He said when the painting was made, there would have been no knowledge of Sputnik.

He added: "Did they somehow have knowledge of future events?



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The artwork is currently in Florence, Italy
 

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Steve Mera, heads the Manchester Association of Paranormal Investigation & Training (MAPIT), one of the UK's biggest paranormal organisations.
Oh Lordy! He's going all international. Stockport, Washington, now Florence! :eek::eek::eek:

Perhaps he could rename it Florence Association of Paranormal Investigation & Training.

FAPIT! :rofl:
 

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We cooked a pizza the other day but I didn't have any foil to catch the cheese in the oven so I used baking paper .. the resulting scorched paper looks like a mix between Homer Simpson, Jesus and someone who sings in a goth band .. I've kept it until I can get around to uploading it on the youtube ..
 

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Sputnik had overtly-long metallic whip antennas just because it transmitted a high-frequency radio tone beacon signal to aid simple earth-based tracking (and also as a statement of international aerospace dominance). This was emitted at 20/40MHz, which corresponds to a physical quarter-wavelength of roughly 3.75m, fed through a phasing harness to the antennas fitted to the cone-taper tangents of the protective 'ball'. Dr Owen Garriot (a Space Shuttle / Space Lab astronaut, who is an electronics engineer ) and his son Robert bought at least one of the original test Sputniks, and did a technical analysis of it, that was covered in the press about 20 years ago. Standard Soviet era technology: simple, (reliable) and functional

The 'Jesus Globe' is not really in the least bit futuristic. I believe it is purely an artist's impression of the celestial sphere that subjectively appears to surround planet earth, being viewed by anthropomorphic deities. The yellow blob repesents the sun, the grey blob symbolises the moon.

The two 'sticks' are mercator rods, used to sight the ascension points of stars and planets, by the early astronomers and astrologers, and also to mark the sun's analemma.

(The rods could possibly also be an artist's in-joke, appearing to look very-like the mahlsticks used by old masters when painting in oils)
 
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The 'Jesus Globe' is not really in the least bit futuristic. I believe it is purely an artist's impression of the celestial sphere that subjectively appears to surround planet earth, being viewed by anthropomorphic deities. The yellow blob repesents the sun, the grey blob symbolises the moon.
But God is omniscient - he knows all the future as well as the past! And he no doubt moves in mysterious ways to present this information as he chooses! :p
 

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But God is omniscient - he knows all the future as well as the past! And he no doubt moves in mysterious ways to present this information as he chooses! :p
Yeah but my mate Dave moves in a mysterious way but that's usually to convince the job centre he can't work.
 

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Plus it's in 'The Mission' by Patrick Tilley, so it must be true
 

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http://www.supernaturalresearch.com/2013/10/celestial-spheres-and-globes-of-creation-decoded-the-depiction-of-the-holy-trinity-in-ancient-art/

"Celestial Sphere also known as the Globe of Creation depicting Christ and the Father each holding on to a rod attached to a sphere with a tripartite division".

Note that I've gone and located the reference above *after* coming to the conclusions stated earlier.

And I still maintain that the rods are not attached to the globe. They're being held there. Look closely: they have a mahl footing on them, or a grounding cup. Also, the rod on the left (as viewed) has a small cruciform/cross-hair at the top: on the right, the rod is topped by a sceptre-ball.
 
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Well I didn't read the thread but the answer is ALIENS! :D
If only. But sadly, ALIENS are not SALIENT to this.

(That definitely is a strange object though)
Not to an enlightenment-era polymathic stargazer, it's not. To our technophilic eyes, it's a satellite. To them, it would've been a clumsy painter's representation of a papier maché star-map.
 

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That T-like drawing on the object remins me of the early stylised maps of Earth. Where there was three continents and a t-shaped ocean.
 

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If only. But sadly, ALIENS are not SALIENT to this.
Very good, I see what you did there. :D

Not to an enlightenment-era polymathic stargazer, it's not. To our technophilic eyes, it's a satellite. To them, it would've been a clumsy painter's representation of a papier maché star-map.
I am trying to see it that way (despite my claim, I did read your post ;)) I am sure you are right but I am no pre-enlightenment polymathic stargazer!
 

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That T-like drawing on the object remins me of the early stylised maps of Earth. Where there was three continents and a t-shaped ocean.
But...what you're looking at is a convex globe representation of what you and I can only see in the sky as a concave 'shell' of planets and stars around us.

So on the painter's representation of this object, any lines you can see represent planetary and star paths in the night sky. The Earth is at the imaginary internal centre of this globe, the size of a (say) apple, directly-analogous, we might say, to the conventional scientific understanding of the central molten core at the middle of our earth.

Here's a 2-D Ptolemaic version of that same concept (the cross-section helps to visualise what the globe represents)

'As above, so below'


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to have invoked The Magician in a Tarot reading, on a Friday morning, before 6 of the clock, is a cromulent iconoclasty....today may now be filled with other portents, signs and symbols. It could be a black day for some of us...if you buy those kinds of things)
 
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They are called sticks. Or, to a more technically minded individual like Ermintrude, rods.

It is clear to me that attention has been focussed deliberately on this element in order to distract the observer from noting that God has been airbrushed out of the first image.
 

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Since we're maybe going for full iconoclastic blasphemy in this thread (in terms of objective object identification), I am somehow prompted to append the following unrelated tale.

Whether apocryphal or absolute I am no longer sure (I was told this many years ago by a now sadly-departed archaeologist)

In High Christian worship, the priests of certain sects descending from a Celtic/St Columba origin still tend to use a wooden bejewelled Staff of Office referred to as a Crozier (this is also a not-too-common family surname in Scotland).



This object is usually taken to be a visual metaphor representing a shepherd's crook (viz all the cuddly Christian imagery relating to flocks and pastoral care....not to mention sheep or woolly thinking).

Anyway, my now-dead archeologist friend absolutely insisted that the earliest examples of these 'Croziers' were actually ornate Moorish/Islamic door-handles, brought back to Britain/western Europe by penitent thieving early Crusaders.

His theory centred around the way in which early examples were found fitted to their ceremonial wooden shafts, and also a different translation of the original name for such things (if I remember correctly, it was to do with the word for key being the same as hoop).

He had great pleasure in imagining High Priests of Christianity using eg toilet door handles as focus objects for adherents.....
 
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Couple things here (from an Episcopalian church geek):

1. The painting in the OP is itself technically heretical :p - Christians aren't supposed to depict God the Father or God the Spirit except symbolically. (God the Son can be depicted as a human, since he became one and remains one, in Christian thought.) But alas, many artists have and still do. There's a common one still seen in Catholic circles that's often jokingly referred to as "the old man, the dead man, and the bird," where God the Father is depicted as an old man on a throne, holding a cross with the dead Christ suspended on it, and there's a dove somewhere overhead.

One example of getting around the injunction of portraying God anthropomorphically is Rublev's famous "Trinity" icon, which is technically an icon of Abraham's three visitors, made a visual analogy of the Trinity. (They each hold staffs in that one.)

2. RE: the crozier, that's an ancient object, predating the Crusades, so I doubt the archaeologist's theory that the crozier itself originated from Moorish door handles. More likely is that the stolen door knobs were re-purposed to make croziers. Croziers (or crosiers) have long been used by bishops, who are the chief pastors (notice the shepherding metaphor again there) of a geographic region (known today as a diocese or see). Their form, though, has varied in different times and places. Sadly, I'm having trouble googling anything on the very earliest appearance, but some do date back to before the Crusades.

Incidentally, in the very early days of Christianity, when there were still crucifixions going on, nobody was portraying Christ on a cross or using the cross in art. Christ was usually pictured instead either feeding the 5000 (a story in the Gospels that came to be linked to the Eucharist) or as the Good Shepherd (a title he gave himself, according to the Gospels). So that imagery, adopted for bishops, comes from Christ himself. He was depicted early on with sheep...I'm not sure if he was depicted with a shepherd's crook or not. That's something I'd have to look up.
 
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