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I enjoyed reading issue FT240 as I am a strong believer in time slips, De ja vu and parallel universes, for example the loch ness monster is a dinosaur from 63 million years ago but is only seen when a time slip occurs in the ness area, mothman is a creature from a parallel universe which doesnt exist in this universe normally and of course some UFOs are human craft from another (future) time. The story about the flying platforms reminded me of a famous case in Papua New Guinea in 1959, a father Gill saw a flying platform with figures standing upon it who replied to him when he waved to them. I thought the case featured in Issue 240 from Aldeburgh 1916 or 1917 was suspicious when the alledged witness wrote "Ordinary men just like us" which given it occurred before an era of aliens and little green men of the 1960s, seems rather superfluous. This leads me onto a case which happened to my mothers second husband (Bob) around 1987 when they lived in a lincolnshire village of claypole. Bob was working on his car outside their very old house on the main street on a summers day when he went inside to fetch some tools. Upon entering the house he immediately noticed it was very different. The furniture was old fashioned especially the kitchen which now contained a fire for cooking, there was no electrics instead gas lamps. He exited the house and then returned shortly afterwards only to find the house as expected with all mod cons. After some reasearch he found an old man in his nineties who lived in the house during his childhood and is reported to of confirmed bobs descriptions of the decor. Perhaps it was a hot day and his mind created an illusion based on a photograph of a house from the turn of the 19th century he may of saw in the past? or perhaps he stumbled into (and out of) a time slip?
 
I also thought of Father Gill in the flying platform article. Maybe he'll be mentioned next issue?

Great story, by the way, sounds like a time slip to me.
 
Some very good timeslip stories were printed in the old Unexplained part-work - some of them very like the one posted by bytebug above. There is no way of proving them of course yet they seem to have a downbeat matter-of-fact quality. If the whole environment has changed around us, we would tend initially to think we had made some mistake and walked into the wrong house, for instance. The scenes do not seem to dissolve or fade but typically shift back to normal when people go out of a door and return.

There is a great deal of material on the Web which refers to a supposed time-slip window being located on Liverpool's Bold Street. Here is one little piece that refers to it and reminds me that the author of all those Unexplained articles was Joan Forman.

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Earlier this year, about May I think, I got up very early in the morning and walked into my lounge to open the curtains. As I walked in I noticed the walls were dark green in colour which was how they had been decorated a few years previously. It was early and I was still tired so I opened the curtains as planned and noted the sun was rising and then thought to myself.... Didn't I paint those walls white last year?

I shrugged it off as I had a higher priority (putting kettle on) so walked to the kitchen. Stopped in my tracks as I realised I HAD painted those walls white in Jan 2006 when using up some left over annual leave. :shock:

I went back into the lounge and the walls were now correctly white.

I initially put it down to the fact that I had woken up a few times throughout the night and was knackered (which is the most likely approach). Now I wonder if there was more to it than that.
 
To be honest, though I'd like to believe it was some kind of timeslip, it's much more likely that you've experienced an example of the fact that the mind fills in missing details of the immediate environment using previously stored material, rather like a browser uses cached material to speed up the way it builds web pages on a computer.

It was dark, you'd just woken up and your mind reached back to an earlier memory of the room, from some place deep in your previous night's dreams.
 
I thought the Father Gill sighting had been ascribed to him squinting at the planet Venus, and mistaking his eyelashes for someone waving at him?

Or maybe I'm just going insane.
 
It has been ascribed to that. Proving the assertion is another thing. To some it is a plausible explanation, to some it is ridiculous.

This is true of most explanations constructed after the fact. We believe what convinces us, and that's different from one individual to another.
 
bugmum said:
I thought the Father Gill sighting had been ascribed to him squinting at the planet Venus, and mistaking his eyelashes for someone waving at him?

Or maybe I'm just going insane.
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Father Gill must have been going insane if that's what he actually saw. Anyway, he wasn't the only witness, unless the others were humouring him ("Oh dear, Father Gill's having one of his turns").
 
JamesWhitehead said:
The scenes do not seem to dissolve or fade but typically shift back to normal when people go out of a door and return.
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That's an interesting point. Are there any examples of someone walking into what seems to be a timeslip, and then someone else joining them and experiencing the same thing? I don't mean 2 people who enter the "slip" together, but a 2nd person who's a sort of latecomer.

I wonder why the phenomenon should be tied to someone's going in and out of a door? Of course outdoor experiences would have to be different. But the one type of example and its typical form seems to raise questions about what sort of threshold is being crossed.
 
decipheringscars said:
That's an interesting point. Are there any examples of someone walking into what seems to be a timeslip, and then someone else joining them and experiencing the same thing? I don't mean 2 people who enter the "slip" together, but a 2nd person who's a sort of latecomer.

I wonder why the phenomenon should be tied to someone's going in and out of a door? Of course outdoor experiences would have to be different. But the one type of example and its typical form seems to raise questions about what sort of threshold is being crossed.
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There is one very important case, the incident known in its original posting as "One thing leeds to another." In the 90s two sisters were about to go into a newsagents for cigarettes. The shop was busy, and as first sister was opening the door sister two noticed a lady standing just behind the door examining the magazines. She called out to mind that woman, but just then her sister passed right through the lady, who faded away. Sister One then said "What woman?" and sister two said she must have been a spirit. But at that moment they both realised that the shop was now empty, cold and grey as on a winter's morning. It seemed sinister and the two quickly exited the shop. Everything outside was normal and after a minute they decided to go back in. The shop was now warm, brightly lit, and full of customers. Totally confused they approached the shop assistant and asked what was going on. The lady backed away in terror, sold them the cigarettes they wanted, and they left.

It seems quite clear that the first sister crossed the threshold into the time slip, if that is what it was, and was thus able to pass through the space occupied by the browsing lady. When the second sister also entered, both of them were inside the slip. The shop assistant had presumably seen them entering, passing through the customer by the door and then fading out of view. When they re-entered she was understandably freaked out. If we could locate that lady, we would have the evidence from both sides of the slip, as it were.

The first sister has since died and after a brief exchange of emails the second sister has now ceased to respond to my questions. I have possibly identified the shop assistant but as the shop has changed hands it seems impossible to trace her. If someone in Leeds would like to make further efforts on these lines, I would be very grateful!

Interestingly both sisters had experienced other Forteana during their lives. Both felt, after the event, that there was a bus stop nearby, and that had they not been delayed by the odd happening, something awful might have happened.

The boundaries to time slips seem to be set by human geography. In one famous Liverpool case the witness left the time slip and looked back to see people in the next street still in the past. All this suggests "matrix" rather than a purely physical phenomenon.
 
Carl Grove said:
In one famous Liverpool case the witness left the time slip and looked back to see people in the next street still in the past. All this suggests "matrix" rather than a purely physical phenomenon.
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if that is the liverpool case im thinking of, at least one other passerby also observed from outside
 
henry said:
if that is the liverpool case im thinking of, at least one other passerby also observed from outside
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The witness was a shoplifter being chased into an alley by a security guard. The guard allegedly claimed that he had vanished into thin air.
 
ah i was thinking of a party who entered a large (department ?) store on a liverpool high street to be greeted with apparent wholesale anachronism, stepped outside to double-check themself, and accosted a passerby who confirmed the effect ... fade to reality, etc ...
 
I think that's the off-duty policeman who saw the book store change to a 50s dress shop. A young lady was the only other person who entered the slip. When this was aired on radio, it led to many other TS witnesses coming forward.
 
i find the idea of timeslips really seductive, all the mystery and otherworldliness of a ghost encounter, but all the stronger for being the fabric, the environment which has survived from the past ... more immersive, and of course no obvious dead guy to deal with ... in fact its the converse, the experiencer becomes the ghost in the room
 
henry said:
i find the idea of timeslips really seductive, all the mystery and otherworldliness of a ghost encounter, but all the stronger for being the fabric, the environment which has survived from the past ... more immersive, and of course no obvious dead guy to deal with ... in fact its the converse, the experiencer becomes the ghost in the room
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I first heard about time slips through Colin Wilson's discussion of the Versailles case and Joan Forman's The Mask of Time, but it wasn't until I investigated the Rougham phenomena that I really got hooked! I agree, it has a special fascination. Some ghost cases might be time slips wrongly categorised.
 
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I read of a group of women hearing the Dieppe Raid replayed years later whilst on holiday in France, but a lot of stories about time slips tend to be British. Would like to hear of time slips in some other countries. Australians out there?
 
I'm not sure if this counts as a time slip, but a similar thing happened to my cousin in the U.S.

He was living in northern Maine at the time, married to a local woman. (They've long since divorced.) They were driving home late one night; as I remember it was from dinner at a restaurant, and a young member of the wife's family was with them. It was a sparsely populated area that they knew well. They reached a part of the road where they knew the next turn would bring them home.

When they took the turn, however, things didn't look right. It was strangely unfamiliar, and they didn't recognize any of the houses they passed. Eventually they reached a dead end. Confused, they turned around and went back to the turnoff, and continued in the direction they had originally been traveling. The next turnoff proved to be the one they wanted. Needless to say, they couldn't find the mysterious road the next time they went back that way.

An odd detail that the wife (who told me the story) included, although she wasn't sure anyone else noticed it: when they got home, tired and spooked, a black dog that was usually tied up outside the house appeared to be a ghostly gray.

My cousin still lives near me, but we've lost touch for a number of reasons. I don't believe I ever questioned him about it in depth.
 
ChasFink said:
I'm not sure if this counts as a time slip, but a similar thing happened to my cousin in the U.S.

He was living in northern Maine at the time, married to a local woman. (They've long since divorced.) They were driving home late one night; as I remember it was from dinner at a restaurant, and a young member of the wife's family was with them. It was a sparsely populated area that they knew well. They reached a part of the road where they knew the next turn would bring them home.

When they took the turn, however, things didn't look right. It was strangely unfamiliar, and they didn't recognize any of the houses they passed. Eventually they reached a dead end. Confused, they turned around and went back to the turnoff, and continued in the direction they had originally been traveling. The next turnoff proved to be the one they wanted. Needless to say, they couldn't find the mysterious road the next time they went back that way.

An odd detail that the wife (who told me the story) included, although she wasn't sure anyone else noticed it: when they got home, tired and spooked, a black dog that was usually tied up outside the house appeared to be a ghostly gray.

My cousin still lives near me, but we've lost touch for a number of reasons. I don't believe I ever questioned him about it in depth.
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You've reminded me of a case in Australia where a driver used a road for many miles that hadn't actually been built yet. It must have been somewhere on here that I read about it.
 
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