U.S. Military: UFO Investigations, Knowledge & Disclosure(s)

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Thanks feinman,

In the original Superman movie, Perry White says Superman was as important as Moses talking to God.

I would say this comes close.

So the problem seems to be how to put UFO information into a declassified form.

Why don’t they just come out with the truth ?
 

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Thanks feinman,

In the original Superman movie, Perry White says Superman was as important as Moses talking to God.

I would say this comes close.

So the problem seems to be how to put UFO information into a declassified form.

Why don’t they just come out with the truth ?
They don't come out with the truth for a lot of reasons, including our inability to deal with it, and our tendency to believe irrational nonsense. They may come out with part of it but not all of it; part of it may be disturbing --the objects surveille us and have surveilled our military capapbilities,, are cloaked in our airspace and our military is powerless to do anything about it. If we were to admit special knowledge of the phenomenon or possession of bits of material from it, the nations of the world would demand knowledge of it, nations wouldn't trust each other over it, etc. etc.
I think they will come out and say:
"No nation on earth is responsible for the objects we are seeing, and we are very possibly encountering a non-human technology that has been visiting us for a long time." It probably won't change the nature of the contact --we couldn't deal with direct contact at this point. Remember there is nothing to gain by having this conversation with the people of the world; they are being forced to it by the activity of the phenomenon.
 

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Why after all these years is the Pentagon showing it’s hand ?

What else is coming down the road ?
 

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The whole thing is a replay of the late '40a culminating in the events of the '50s including flying over the US Capitol Building. Then and over the decades, many have wanted the government to come out and publicly acknowledge the reality of the phenomenon, but for national security reasons this was not done. Now, it is a new day and the devices are active again, and if those cases and videos mentioned by Ratcliffe recently and so many other comes out as it seems they will... This could be "Disclosure" in June, and I think there is about an 80% chance it will happen.
 

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Some internet comments are saying we are going to get short changed.

The Pentagon report will only talk about if UFOs are a national threat.

These commenters think there will be no discussion about E.T.s

I hope it’s more than a security report !
 

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I think some of these aliens likely have morality.
And if they have morality, they have an awareness of G-D and of being held to account by a superior being.

If they want something from us and have overwhelming technical superiority, then they could have wiped us out and used the earth's resources for themselves.
But they have not.

Or, we are so far below their technical level, and they have such abundant resources where they live, that visits to earth are a form of vacation safari for them.
 

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Some internet comments are saying we are going to get short changed.
The Pentagon report will only talk about if UFOs are a national threat.
These commenters think there will be no discussion about E.T.s
I hope it’s more than a security report !

An unclassified report on unclassified information relating to UAPs / UFOs as a national security threat is precisely (and all ... ) that the Senate committee and the defense appropriation bill mandated. That's it; that's all.
 

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An unclassified report on unclassified information relating to UAPs / UFOs as a national security threat is precisely (and all ... ) that the Senate committee and the defense appropriation bill mandated. That's it; that's all.
Could another government from a different country disclose UFOs ?
 

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Only if they have any info about them, which is unlikely.
The French effort at disclosure, GEPAN/GEIPAN, disclosed very little of note.
The UK version, Project Condign, came up with a bizarre theory about plasmas that seems to have been a hypothesis put forward by a single individual. Governments are just as prone to delusion and error as anyone else.
 

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The U.S. is supposedly the most powerful country, but a simple question has brought the U.S. to its knees.

What are UFOs ?

On Fox News TV News, Maria Bartiromo asks Senator Marco Rubio on the intelligence committee about the Pentagon UFO report.

Rubio says says it probably will not happen because the Pentagon is having trouble on how to declassify secret information.

The Pentagon can not do this process.
 

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On Fox News TV News, Maria Bartiromo asks Senator Marco Rubio on the intelligence committee about the Pentagon UFO report.
Rubio says says it probably will not happen because the Pentagon is having trouble on how to declassify secret information.
The Pentagon can not do this process.

Control authority for declassification of classified material rests with the agency or organization that classified it in the first place and secondarily with an authority higher in the chain of command of the agency that originally classified it.

The Department of Defense is not the only entity that can classify information, and it has no special power for declassifying materials classified by someone else.
 

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I am looking for a simple answer which it seems our government can not provide, are UFOs real, yes or no.

So simple but the Pentagon can not handle this question.

According to Fox News TV interviews, the Pentagon is in a “ tail spin “.
 

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I think this guy has it correct, we've discussed him a bit before. I'm not a theoretical physicist, but I think UFOs are very like what he is describing:
https://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com/2021/03/jack-sarfatti-his-ideas-about-tic-tac.html
"...evidence of extremely low power warp drive with time-travel-to-past capability in a meta-material fuselage controlled by a conscious AI post-quantum computer."
Perhaps a generalized AI, biological or inorganic was created that managed to solve the warp drive problems.

Here is the video interview from Sarfatti. Going to watch now:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...5410C449A0628D4ED9D6541&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
 
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Here Sarfatti says that they understand how they work but are being obstructed by insiders from revealing things. Sounds just like what Hillenkoetter and Keyhoe were saying long ago --no surprise. He also says he was drafted to work on UFOs for the government back in the '70s. Listen to the other stuff he says at the end!:oops:
I think Sarfatti might agree now that the whole operation is a safety valve channel to the public and that the Pentagon is trying to get ahead of everything as it hits the fan. No way they are going to come out and reveal everything they know. Pretend they don't really know. Go on little excursions pretending to look for UFOs. Constantly censor what you say because it is still highly classified --this becomes obvious after just a few episodes of Unidentified.

 
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Here is a new video from Mick West. It looks like he is betting someone on the content of the upcoming report:

This is silly. Mick needs to read all of the articles in the Historic UFO Encounters thread.
Get Sarfatti in there to talk with him :evil:
 
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Politico suggests that the UFO report that Trump signed into law is slowly sinking in quicksand.

Politico claims different intelligence agencies are not ready to give up whatever UFO information they might have.

It seems that in Louis Elizondo’s UFO program on the U.S. History Channel, he complained that one of his reasons he left his government job was because he could not get any cooperation from his fellow workers on UFO information.

In fact he mentioned that his UFO information quest, that his fellow workers labeled him working with the devil.

Things look bleak for truthful UFO information.
 
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So...

I am expected to believe that senior U.S. officials are willing to go on national television to announce that enemy states, specifically Russia and/or China, are entering American airspace with absolute impunity using such advanced technology that they have no idea what it is and how it works or how to deal with it.

If this was truly the case then we would be on the very brink of World War 3.

There is a reason this information is being concoted and put out. I do not know what this reason is. However, I do not believe the official line. It makes absolutely no sense.
 
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Politico suggests that the UFO report that Trump signed into law is slowly sinking in quicksand. ...

Get your facts straight, and don't dare attempt to cast this in light of "politics."

The authorization for the UAP report was embedded in the National Defense Authorization Act for 2021, which was finally agreed / passed by both houses of Congress and forwarded to the President on 11 December, 2020.

The President vetoed the bill on 23 December.

The House and Senate both overrode the President's veto, and the bill became law in spite of the President's rejection on 1 January 2021.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/6395/actions
 

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EnolaGaia,

I understand what you are saying, this was voted on and passed.

I am totally confused that in the past, the chairman senate intelligence,Mark Warner, and co-chairman, Marco Rubio, on Fox TV news did not seem optimistic that the 180 day deadline will be meet.

For me, missing the deadline would show lack of good leadership.

Another view, missing the deadline shows the government is really covering something up.
 
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There do seem to be rumblings that things aren't going to come out with the report on time, etc. Scr*w 'em. I don't care anymore about their "disclosure" and decades of obfuscation and nonsense. Imo here are plenty of people who know what is going, and if officials can't bring themselves to talk openly about it --I think the reasons for that make sense to me. Just look at the history of the situation.

Here's why:
"In a 1967 lecture to the Greek Astronomical Society, broadcast on Athens Radio, Santorinis first publicly revealed what had been found in his 1947 investigation. "We soon established that they were not missiles. But, before we could do any more, the Army, after conferring with foreign officials (presumably U.S. Defense Dept.), ordered the investigation stopped. Foreign scientists [from Washington] flew to Greece for secret talks with me". Later Santorinis told UFO researchers such as Raymond Fowler that secrecy was invoked because officials were afraid to admit of a superior technology against which we have "no possibility of defense".[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_rockets

And this too:

"Asked about the crash rumors, Sarbacher said they were "substantially correct." He said UFOs "exist. . . . We have not been able to duplicate their performance. . . . All we know is, we didn't make them, and it's pretty certain they didn't originate on the Earth." The issue was so sensitive that "it is classified two points higher even than the H-bomb. In fact it is the most highly classified subject in the U.S. government at the present time." Sarbacher refused to say more.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ufo-government10.htm
http://www.noufors.com/Dr_Robert_Sarbacher.htm

Quite clear really, even long ago.
 

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Even if the UAP report doesn't come out --or comes out late with a lot of classified stuff, I think Vallee's book will basically tell readers all the government knows about UFOs. I also think Sarfatti is absolutely right (I am perplexed by his political ideas though), and he doesn't look like he is going to shut up anytime soon. Then there is the phenomenon itself --it is in control; there might be some response or another mass sighting --UFOs aren't going anywhere, they are here. It will be very interesting to see the overlap of Sarfatti's and Vallee's ideas.
 
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After thinking about what is going on, we are seeing the Pentagon and Congress doing a careful “ tip toe “ dance on how to tell the world we are not alone.

Disclosure is like ketchup, slow in coming out !
 
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Not a chance. The UFO phenomenon has been going on since at least 1947, and no-one has disclosed anything useful yet, nor will they, so don't get your hopes up.
 

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At this point it doesn't really matter what they do. They could say we are being visited --skeptics wouldn't believe it, others would come up with crazy ideas around it. It is pointless to try and convince skeptics --even the most open-minded skeptic will still stay on the fence about the true nature of the phenomenon, just to hedge their bets. While it is amusing to engage skeptics, and they can often provide very useful information, that is as far as it is going to go. No matter what they say in June, it will doubtless reinforce the extraordinary nature of the phenomenon. Just read what John Ratcliffe said again, and wonder why the extra footage of the Tic Tac would gravely damage national security, and one doesn't need to be a genius to see what they are trying not to talk about. 'Member how skeptics were poo pooing Reid's and Podesta's statements about this being the tip of the iceberg? They are all saying the same thing. just listen to them --they have nothing to gain by talking about UFOs with the public --they are being forced to. Do you ever hear them mention the events of the '40s or '50s? Never. Why? Because they want a reboot and don't want to alert the average person to the extraordinary events of the past that are being repeated again. They are having trouble because they don't want to release sensor data and footage and other evidence that would PROVE the reality of visitation. Just listen to them. It all adds up, obviously.

Possibilities for June:
1. "We are being visited" (The truth, but unlikely)
2. "We have been leapfrogged by Russian and Chinese and Liberian military technology" Ridiculous. It would never have gotten this far recently, or been studied for decades. The idea that The Chinese or Russia could develop this technology without testing it or building prototypes or alerting the intelligence community = ridiculous. Also, they wouldn't fly it over every continent, risking capture, etc. It would be a first-strike weapon. All of the previous is laughable.
3. "We don't know what some of it is" Also a BIG lie, given that they still won't talk about it or surrender files on it, and a it is very doubtful that a natural phenomenon observed for centuries would pose a grave threat to national security. And they have already referred to them as "aircraft" (oops!). And they are obviously under intelligent control... Because just as in decades before, they are surveilling our military installations, Ratcliffe has stated that they are doing the SAME things again now (without ever referring to the events of the '40s and '50s!). :p
4. "Some of the devices observed may represent a non-human advanced technology." I think this is as far as things might go, and a LOT of it will remain classified. Also damning. :)
Or, 5. "We have decided that the report and associated evidence must remain classified for the current time, until we are able to resolve the nature of the phenomenon,"
This might actually be what happens, and it would again be a replay:D of the press conference in the wake of the UFOs over the US Capitol in '52. (Samford is essentially saying that "Just a little while ago the phenomenon flew with impunity over the US Capitol Building, the culmination of a decade-long wave of sightings. Don't worry! There is nothing to worry about that."


This is going to be fun... :sdevil:
 
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