U.S. Military: UFO Investigations, Knowledge & Disclosure(s)

[feinman]

I think we suffer from short-term memory loss! We always forget the lessons of war; it takes about three generations currently for folks to become disconnected from events of the past and forget what occurred. Strange events like those that occurred in the '40s and '50s are even more easily forgotten because they don't fit easily into consensus reality anyway. It becomes startlingly clear when you read articles from the late '40s and early '50s that remind people about the "airship" wave that occurred long before, and how it was the same thing that people were seeing then.

 

[feinman]

Got to thinking about the obvious hidden in plain sight:

1. So, if these objects are some earthly technology from a US adversary and that is known --then what advantage would there be in discussing it with the public? Even if it was Chinese technology several generations ahead, it wouldn't make sense to demonstrate weakness and risk securoty breaches by having the conversation with the public. Correct?

2. So if these objects are from the US arsenal and are several generations ahead of other countries' weapons, then the same question applies --what advantage would there be in discussing it with the public? Why blow the cover on first-strike weapons we would have worked SO hard to develop in secret for 70+ years... where does Sun Tzu say such a thing would be wise? There = 0 advantage or worse.

3. So what if these objects are known to not be an Earthly technology and far beyond our capabilities, and as Ratcliffe has said, they are seen all over the world, and their actions directly impact national security, and they are becoming a problem.. THEN it would make sense to open a channel of gradual revelation to the public --not knowing what might be coming next. It is the only thing that adds up.

 

[eburacum]

Well there is a distinct possibility that some of the UAPs seen recently may have been constructs of a foreign power. There were certain ships in the vicinity of the recent sightings around USS Kidd that may have been secret spy ships capable of launching long duration military drones. The official register shows them to have been registered in Liberia but that means very little in practice. Even if these particular sightings were not caused by foreign drones, the technology is improving every year, and we are probably going to see a lot of this in the future.

We will soon live in an environment populated by innumerable aerial drones; the technology isn't going to go away. Perhaps that means that UFO reports will go up exponentially; this could get really tedious after a while.

But of course any real aliens would be laughing - they could fly around in a drone-filled sky without attracting undue attention.

 

[Souleater]

Well there is a distinct possibility that some of the UAPs seen recently may have been constructs of a foreign power. There were certain ships in the vicinity of the recent sightings around USS Kidd that may have been secret spy ships capable of launching long duration military drones. The official register shows them to have been registered in Liberia but that means very little in practice. Even if these particular sightings were not caused by foreign drones, the technology is improving every year, and we are probably going to see a lot of this in the future.

We will soon live in an environment populated by innumerable aerial drones; the technology isn't going to go away. Perhaps that means that UFO reports will go up exponentially; this could get really tedious after a while.

But of course any real aliens would be laughing - they could fly around in a drone-filled sky without attracting undue attention.

You would have thought the US military would have at least tried the down the drones if they were thought to be spying for another military superpower rather than just watching them.

 

[feinman]

I am open-minded about the drone swarms that were encountered --there is the possibility that those are some technology from an earthly adversary, but I think the military is still encountering real UFOs, and the government has a lot of evidence that could prove it, but they are dripping it out slowly as necessary, starting with debunkable material.

 

[feinman]

Well there is a distinct possibility that some of the UAPs seen recently may have been constructs of a foreign power. There were certain ships in the vicinity of the recent sightings around USS Kidd that may have been secret spy ships capable of launching long duration military drones. The official register shows them to have been registered in Liberia but that means very little in practice. Even if these particular sightings were not caused by foreign drones, the technology is improving every year, and we are probably going to see a lot of this in the future.

We will soon live in an environment populated by innumerable aerial drones; the technology isn't going to go away. Perhaps that means that UFO reports will go up exponentially; this could get really tedious after a while.

But of course any real aliens would be laughing - they could fly around in a drone-filled sky without attracting undue attention.

That's why I am hoping the UFOs come back for me!
I will say that the Chinese are having a hard time even building aircraft carriers, and I'd be very surprised if the the Russians had developed a completely new revolutionary technology in secret from the US with no testing of prototypes, etc. That would be an amazing feat.
And then use them all over the world and in ways with the US that could cause a serious international incident or war.

 

[feinman]

Looks like Woolsey is making alien noises too:
https://nypost.com/2021/04/06/former-cia-director-says-he-believes-ufos-could-exist-report/
Drip.... Drip.... Drip....

@ Woolsey : They do exist!

 

[feinman]

Looks like new pics have leaked out:
https://www.news10.com/news/science...ramid-shaped-ufos-swarm-above-navy-destroyer/
There is some video on that site too.
The top one kind of looks like the Cocoyoc object a little (center portion of Trudel saucer 2). I have hypothesized that those could go into the ocean independent of the saucer portion --at least the first module from the first saucer (Yorba Linda object).

 

[feinman]

I'm just having fun here because that photo that leaked is pretty blurry, but here is (1.) One of the photos of the Cocoyoc object just cropped down (2.) The same photo blurred a bit. (3.) One of the leaked photos of the "trans-medium UAP". Looks pretty close. Didn't even need to adjust angle of object, again...

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2.

3.

 

[eburacum]

The triangle clip is night vision footage, visible in full here
https://www.metabunk.org/data/video/43/43241-95477ef00412e8193ce800d965d0d3d8.mp4
The flashes of the brightest triangle are similar in duration to the standard flashes of an anti-collision strobe on a helicopter.

The other two triangles are dimmer, and may be stars.
Why does this particular clip show bright lights as triangles? Perhaps the aperture lens has a shaped aperture adjuster covering it, with a triangular hole in it. This would produce triangular artefacts.

I don't know why anyone would do that, and I particularly don't know why they would then be surprised when lights show up as triangles.

 

[eburacum]

The second one, 'Acorn', is a more distant image of the Batman balloon seen in an earlier photo we've already discussed. This image was taken a few seconds before the Batman Balloon image, so we should be able to get an idea of speed and/or size from the time data.
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Given some very rough estimations of the speed of the F-18 which took these two pictures, the size can be estimated to be approximately one metre, which is certainly within the general range of novelty balloons in general. Very small for an extraterrestrial spacecraft.

 

[feinman]

Given some very rough estimations of the speed of the F-18 which took these two pictures, the size can be estimated to be approximately one metre, which is certainly within the general range of novelty balloons in general. Very small for an extraterrestrial spacecraft.
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I agree that REALLY does look like that balloon. Either the aliens have a great sense of humour or = balloon.
It is interesting how there is a mix put out of things that are easily debunkable, with other things that aren't so much, and much noise about better stuff withheld and that they are "vehicles" etc. Elizondo did this once before with a slide show where a bunch of mundane metals were shown in a slide with one anomalous sample --and he wouldn't say which one was anomalous. Dunno. It seems calculated.

 

[eburacum]

It is mostly a part of the entertainment industry for Elizondo and DeLonge; don't expect too much from them.

 

[feinman]

It is mostly a part of the entertainment industry for Elizondo and DeLonge; don't expect too much from them.

Completely agree about Tom DeLonge, but he does have good intentions, though some of the things he says make me think he was just a tool, and Elizondo I am more suspicous of as he knows much more than he is able to talk about and I think he is possibly being allowed to do what he is doing or something more --keeping the channel open. If you look at his resume, he would be the man for such a job.

Elizondo and a few others are the right folks for the job ---because they know what not to say..

 

[charliebrown]

feinmam,

If all these supposedly above top secret leaked videos from UFOs buzzing the USS Kidd and the USS Russell in July 2019 off the coast of California, how could they get into the normal news services ?

I would think above top secret is what it means, no way for the public eyes ?

 

[feinman]

feinmam,

If all these supposedly above top secret leaked videos from UFOs buzzing the USS Kidd and the USS Russell in July 2019 off the coast of California, how could they get into the normal news services ?

I would think above top secret is what it means, no way for the public eyes ?

I completely agree --that's why the low quality ambiguous stuff they are putting out, now. They want to address the issue because they have to (again), but they don't want to reveal more than they have to, unless they are forced to.

 

[feinman]

All of these questions were asked before. The answer remians the same.
The Southern Mail (Bowral, NSW : 1889 - 1954)
Fri 4 Sep 1953
Page 10

 

[eburacum]

Here's Mick West's explanation for the triangular UAV clip (bokeh)
looks convincing to me.

The real mystery is - why can't the US Navy come up with these explanations?

 

[feinman]

Pentagon CONFIRMS Recent UAP / UFO Leaks as Genuine
https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/pentagon-confirms-recent-uap-ufo-leaks-as-genuine/
And from that article:
"Gough refused to confirm whether they remain “unidentified,” or are used as training material for identifiable objects, or remain unknowns. “I have nothing further for you beyond what I provided,” Gough stated. No additional information was provided."
--Which is exactly what I've been saying. Why lay all your cards on the table for enemies too, when you don't have to....
The average person believes the debunkable stuff shows real UFOs let them --and that furthers the Pentagon's goal of keeping the information channel open without revealing a thing.

 

[Coastaljames]

Which is exactly what I've been saying. Why lay all your cards on the table for enemies too, when you don't have to....

I've been screaming this from the rooftops ad nauseum!

You are a global superpower. You admit that your airspace is being violated at will by things you have no idea what they are.

This a nonsense! Something you would never, ever do.


All this "disclosure" is absolutely nothing of the sort and is being used as a "quick, look over there!" technique while something else is going on.

 

[feinman]

I've been screaming this from the rooftops ad nauseum!

You are a global superpower. You admit that your airspace is being violated at will by things you have no idea what they are.

This a nonsense! Something you would never, ever do.


All this "disclosure" is absolutely nothing of the sort and is being used as a "quick, look over there!" technique while something else is going on.

Well you must be paying attention to what is happening then! I've heard you screaming it a bit --and I am also nauseated!
"I am Nauseated!" "No! I am Nauseated".. No it is I who am Nauseated!" it's humorous and farcical and a replay of the past.
I would agree with you about the release of UFO material that is plausibly deniable. But there is no reason to even bring the topic up. Our adversaries would know already if we had such weapons, --as would we, if they did. You can't develop completely revolutionary technologies as these devices are seen to have with no sign of prototypes, development or testing (aside from these new patents from Pais, which appear to be trying to duplicate such technologies). This happened before in '52 when the governments arm was being twisted by the phenomenon. Same thing again, now. The government never releases good footage or photos, only seizes them.
Suppose, pretty much impossibly that the US had developed such weapons that were three or four or more generations out, depending on what you believe, many more. that we had pretty much impossibly developed completely in secret and have had for 70+ years; why show our adversaries our first-strike secret capabilities. Why fly them over every country on the planet and harass our own aircraft with them? No reason, because we wouldn't. Perish the thought that Russia or China has had these things for so long and uses them un such ways, too.
So, they are telling us they are real and likely not from here, and then providing crap evidence. Typical.

 

[feinman]

This part (triangular craft with flashing lights over weapons storage area)
Reminds me of the "drone" objects the Navy was dealing with.

 

[charliebrown]

Well,

Nick Pope has given an opinion to The American version of The Sun.

His opinion is this is Russian and China’s experiments of hypersonic drones.

Nick said that everything was changed in 2019 when the Navy did an about face and wanted every UFO observation reported immediately to Naval Command.

The U.S. is far behind in the hypersonic race.

This is not my opinion.

My opinions is that UFOs are real and untouchable.

 

[feinman]

I hope they're not because that would be a very dangerous situation. They came pretty close to our assets --what would happen if one malfunctioned and crashed into one of our ships or planes? Racliffe said they are harassing ships all over the world --the Chinese are doing it? Wow.

 

[feinman]

Here is China's latest known military drone type:
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2...ce_Drone_Completes_Maiden_Flight#.YHYOQuhKg2w
The stuff harassing ships must be of a totally different type --whatever it is.

 

[charliebrown]

Wars in the future will be strictly push button and joy stick.

I once read a story that a serviceman controlled with tremendous personal stress some drones in Afghanistan from his office in Arizona.

On his hour lunch break he went to the next door McDonalds, and this change of reality almost drove him mad.

 

[feinman]

Wars in the future will be strictly push button and joy stick.

I once read a story that a serviceman controlled with tremendous personal stress some drones in Afghanistan from his office in Arizona.

On his hour lunch break he went to the next door McDonalds, and this change of reality almost drove him mad.

If we have a future

 

[eburacum]

One of the members at Metabunk possesses a night vision device (NVD) with a triangular iris, although he had never noticed its shape until now. Using this scope he has been able to reproduce the triangular UAV effect exactly, so I think we can explain the triangular shapes in that clip definitively.

One interesting factor is that this person did not realise the nightscope had a triangular iris, so it is entirely possible that the person who took the original film did not realise this either. An innocent mistake, not an attempt to deceive, as I thought at first.

 

[Coastaljames]

Nick Pope has given an opinion to The American version of The Sun.

His opinion is this is Russian and China’s experiments of hypersonic drones.

Nick said that everything was changed in 2019 when the Navy did an about face and wanted every UFO observation reported immediately to Naval Command.

The U.S. is far behind in the hypersonic race.

The Popester knows as much about this stuff as my bin.

 

[feinman]

Here is what Elizondo has said about the drones (from 1963, alienexpanse):

"And it is that according to Elizondo time is a big problem for the theory of drones, since UFOs fly for hours around ships. In addition, UFOs fly in adverse weather conditions and at night, another large handicap for drones. He even stressed that Navy ships have effective defence measures against such raids. Lue Elizondo concludes that the military authorities "They were called drones simply because they didn't want to say the word UAP, they didn't want to scare people (...) if you see lights in the sky you better write the word drone, don't write the word UAPS because it's going to be published and it's going to be a bad day for us with the press." The expert does not hesitate to point out that: "We are not dealing with drones at all. They're not drones, we have no idea what they are." Elizondo also revealed that if it were Chinese technology they risked losing any of these drones, and that in addition, the flight of these aircraft over U.S. navy ships on U.S. territory was a daring and risky provocation that could lead to a serious diplomatic conflict. For the former director of AATIP these multiple sightings were not drones of the Asian giant."
Original source: https://caravaca.blogspot.com/2021/...9--n9LrNHtqIm0X0_gCJENqalUGsaPvziAlxVBHUdCwFw

That's where I currently am with it too. Nice to see same conclusions reached.

Basically a higher intensity version of Exercise Mainbrace by the objects.
https://www.livescience.com/ufos-invade-nato-war-games-project-blue-book.html

"
"A silvery, spherical object"
"a silvery, spherical object" that traveled across the sky, NICAP records show. A reporter named Wallace Litwin, who was on the aircraft carrier, described the UFO as resembling "a white ping-pong ball." Litwin allegedly captured photographs of the object that were reviewed by U.S. Navy Intelligence officers, but the images have never been released to the public, according to NICAP.

On Sept. 13, 1952, several crew members on the Danish destroyer Willemoes saw something unusual: "an unidentified object, triangular in shape, which moved at high speed toward the southeast," according to NICAP records. It glowed with a bluish light, and the destroyer's commander estimated its speed at more than 900 mph (1,448 km/h)."

Yada yada yada same 'ole same 'ole...