U.S. Military: UFO Investigations, Knowledge & Disclosure(s)

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As mentioned in my response above, Bill Nelson, NASA chief, indicated that NASA and the Pentagon have a difficult relationship.

Bill Nelson tells CNN that he and his resources will launch their own independent investigation in UFOs.

Bill claims too many jet pilot friends have told him about encountering UFOs.

The Pentagon is not going to put this genie back in the bottle !
 

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Bill claims too many jet pilot friends have told him about encountering UFOs.
..and few people doubt they have. Part of the issue is that pilots are purposely not briefed on R&D as of all military personnel they run a big risk of being captured, so often they'd have no idea if it was their own side's weaponry. Tactical and tech stuff is very tightly ring-fenced.
 

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What you say Stu could be true.

I am fascinated with this guy breaking from the intelligence community and going out on his own.

What I don’t understand is that rumors of astronauts seeing UFOs in space is something he should be familiar with.

So, is this NASA Chief another “ red herring “ ?
 

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From Express,co.uk, Nick Pope makes the accusation that the Pentagon is split over UFOs.

Nick claims that the believers are fighting the nonbelievers, the intelligence agencies against the military.

Who knows ?
Not convinced Nick pope has much to offer. Anyone spending time watching Reddit could come up with what he states nowadays.
 

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I am fascinated with this guy breaking from the intelligence community and going out on his own.
Nelson saying he's going to pursue a NASA report doesn't mean he's breaking away from (or approving) anyone else's inquiries into UFOs.

DOD doesn't (and can't) speak for NASA, so the DOD report has no connection with anything NASA may know or have to say about the subject.
 

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Here is a new interview. Some historic examples of Tic Tacs are mentioned in old articles:
 

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Every day there seems to be a new article on disclosure and each time, the night vision pyramid is used as an illustration. It’s definitely worth explaining (yet again) what we’re really seeing here...


Of course a debunk isn’t as sensational or generates as many clicks so you see the same thing trotted out over and over again. The image is not a hoax. It’s a genuine camera artifact and it’s relatively easy to make your own.

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The big question for me is why are the US Military - who know this is just bokeh - stringing everyone along? But I guess the simplest answer lies in funding. Money and budgets.
 
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Damn those aliens are clever! Building their ships as triangles so if we spot them with our primitive tech they will look like 'bokeh'. They really have got us figured!
 

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Damn those aliens are clever! Building their ships as triangles so if we spot them with our primitive tech they will look like 'bokeh'. They really have got us figured!
But their ability to be 2D is the proper headfick.
 

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If there is an intelligence that can cross dimensions/time and space it's possible that one of its motivations is for shits and giggles.
Seriously...? :worry:
 

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Has anyone thought that, like with most annoying things, if you ignore them they will just go away?
 

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Having a laugh is the finest motivation in the universe, so long as no-one gets hurt.
Am I the only one now thinking of the 'Smash' robots from the adverts in the 70s.

"They peel them with their metal knives....."

Aaah the warm glow of nostalgia!
 

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Amazing stuff going on.... I think the thing to remember is that scientists are just fallible people --they have no more vision or sense than the average person. Think about doctors that managed to pass tests, absorb knowledge, but can still be totally incompetent. I've know many scientists and engineers, and some of them have a certain hubris born of total confidence in human science and the current paradigm. If something can't be slapped with a mundane explanation, no matter how silly, it is ignored. To investigate UFOs is also stigmatizing for scientists, who want to advance and publish in peer-reviewed journals. If they take an objective open-minded look at the phenomenon, as some scientists have been capable of, they become outsiders, shunned by the rest. Unfortunately for those clinging to the current paradigm, the anomalies are accumulating (been for years), and that is how change and a paradigm shift will come --a change that they shun and ignore. An extreme example is the folks at the debunking sites; every day they claim some new explanation for the recent clips released, and every next day they are shewn to be wrong. Repeatedly. They embarrassingly and insultingly ignore 70+ years of witness testimony from those who would give the data context. That's not science, but some kind of mental problem. Now they are actually claiming that Fravor misidentified another jet as the Tic Tac! Bizarre. Laughable. Sad. If they had done their due diligence on research, by actually looking at history, they would see the same objects have been reported in the past.

A Preponderance of evidence is the way to go with UFOs; it isn't a hard science question at this point. If you have unknowns under intelligent control doing whatever they want in secured airspace, one can't wait 100 years for scientists to get enough evidence to satisfy themselves --we'd be destroyed by them long ago if that was the intent of the objects. We are totally vulnerable, technologically and paradigmatically. Eventually we'd hear from scientists that they have determined that manufactured devices exceeding our technology that we haven't made on earth are flying around with impunity, but that doesn't prove that they are alien!! :) D'oh!!! <dopeslap>

Best just to focus on working with scientists who have looked at the history and who are open-minded, and who don't care what their colleagues think.


Here's a recent example from a debunker:

"Now we just have low quality video of saturated, unresolved blobs, which basically give us no information from which to determine its nature. Speculation of origins that go beyond the mundane are merely fanciful whimsy without additional, reliable information (and eye witness testimony does not count)."

--So, in this case let's refuse to look at any historical context or past examples of the phenomenon! Instead only focusing on the couple of released items to draw a broad conclusion that reinforces our mundane explanations! Also, let's ignore all witness testimony so we can properly paint ourselves in the a corner where we can sit with our blinkers on. Yeah.

I mean of you were trying to understand how ball lightening forms --wouldn't you want to read historical accounts to try to give you some more ideas??
 

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Well feinman,

The Pentagon put ufology back 70 years.

As I said above, J. Allen Hynek is yelling from the grave that the Feds screwed you as they screwed me time and again.

Unless an UFO lands at the White House, the subject of UFOs is a dead topic.

We just have to carry on living our lives and not stress out.

The Pentagon could have taken a different approach for example saying there is enough evidence for serious study.
 

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Well feinman,

The Pentagon put ufology back 70 years.

As I said above, J. Allen Hynek is yelling from the grave that the Feds screwed you as they screwed me time and again.

Unless an UFO lands at the White House, the subject of UFOs is a dead topic.

We just have to carry on living our lives and not stress out.

The Pentagon could have taken a different approach for example saying there is enough evidence for serious study.
What news are you reading? They are now in the midst of a sea-change. The things are all over us again and they don't know what to do about it. There is a fracturing in the government. Elizondo just admitted recently he is STILL working for the US government, just as I said a long time back. He is the conduit --the public face of gradual disclosure, amidst resistance. The government report admits UFOs ARE real, which is HUGE. They SAY they simply haven't been able to gather enough evidence that "proves they are from outer space". So what? "Aliens" simply means advanced non-human technology --not little green men in space ships touring our planet a la Far Side. The report will confirm that the technology is not anything from the US --too advanced for us. That is one leg gone for skeptics. Now they are hopping, and hoping for Chinese drones.... The report keeps the door open to the idea that our adversaries may have developed such technologies and deploy them in such ways = ridiculous given the historicity of the phenomenon. So the foreign country thing is put out there to cushion the blow. They might as well have said that they might be flying rainbow unicorns too.
Hold on tight to those Chinese drones! :cool:

NASA IS EVEN GOING TO START A NEW PROGRAM OF STUDY.
 

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They KNOW what they are and aren't. They've had 70 years to think about it. A number of them have stated that clear photographic and sensor evidence exists, but isn't being made public yet --still classified. There will be a classified annex to the report.
 

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Elizondo and Nick Pope did said that the UFO topic has split people at the Pentagon.

But if I got the Pentagon original statement right, there is no alien technology, but we not can explain what is going on.

It is their use of the word no that bothers me.
 

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Elizondo and Nick Pope did said that the UFO topic has split people at the Pentagon.

But if I got the Pentagon original statement right, there is no alien technology, but we not can explain what is going on.

It is their use of the word no that bothers me.
They "can't rule out" alien technology is what they said. So the phenomenon is elusive enough for them not to know where it is coming from (that they will admit). But it is much more advanced than anything at Area 51 or in any other US military installation or black program.
 

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But if I got the Pentagon original statement right, there is no alien technology, but we not can explain what is going on.
You haven't seen the Pentagon's own "statement" yet. The various claims about the report's contents and conclusions are leaks from people who've been briefed in advance of its submission.
 

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Just when you thought you have heard all that can be said about UFOs !

Former Director of National Intelligence, John Radcliffe, on Fox News Sunday Night claims his opinion is that the number of documented UAP reports is understated and is way more than the Pentagon claimed 120 cases.

John said his opinion is that the government in the end will not chose a side yes or no, but remains neutral.

John also said that his opinion is that what he has seen is beyond any country’s technology, and he looks at this as a problem for national security and safety for our country.
 

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Elizondo puts it all together here. Right on the nose.
 

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But I guess the simplest answer lies in funding. Money and budgets.

Bingo.

"Look at all this bonkers stuff out there...we need a lot and a lot and a lot of moolah to keep you all safe."
 

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The clips shown in that article are the GIMBAL and GOFAST clips from 2015, so either the Independent has got the date wrong, or they are talking about a completely different event. I'd like to see what NASA make of those clips, which seem to be quite mundane when you analyse them thoroughly.

A completely dispassionate analysis would probably show that GIMBAL is an Earthly plane about 12/15km from the camera, and GOFAST is a small object about the size of a bird or balloon, halfway between the camera and the sea. Hopefully a NASA analysis could narrow these parameters down considerably.

Even better would ba an analysis by a competent but independent scientist, like the analysis that Richard Feynman made of the O-Ring problem in the Challenger disaster. It took an outside expert to expose the flaws in NASA's 'safety culture'.

I suspect that one reason that we are getting a lot of UAP reports now is that the US Navy currently has a predominant 'culture' that tends to accept eye-witness reports from pilots, whereas the movie clips and photos do not sufficiently corroborate those reports to be convincing.
 

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A completely dispassionate analysis would probably show that GIMBAL is an Earthly plane about 12/15km from the camera, and GOFAST is a small object about the size of a bird or balloon, halfway between the camera and the sea. Hopefully a NASA analysis could narrow these parameters down considerably.

Yes. Indeed.

I suspect that one reason that we are getting a lot of UAP reports now is that the US Navy currently has a predominant 'culture' that tends to accept eye-witness reports from pilots, whereas the movie clips and photos do not sufficiently corroborate those reports to be convincing.

:clap:

Pesky corroborating evidence eh!
 

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If you've read about the report you obviously don't understand it, Comfortably Numb. It's the beginning of the end for skeptics.
Why so?

Does it not confirm zero evidence of any extraterrestrial activity?
 

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Why so?

Does it not confirm zero evidence of any extraterrestrial activity?
it doesn't matter at this point if we know where they come from or where they go!! Squirrels don't know where you are going when you head off to the pub. UFOs might even be from some kind of contiguous universe or from a place we don't currently understand. Doesn't matter if they head off to a planet. They are here. There is much that is still classified apparently. Far more than what will be in the classified annex. They have admitted UFOs are real, and chopped off one of the legs skeptics stand on --the idea that it is secret US tech.
And they can't rule out aliens. And the devices are far more advanced than ANYTHING the US is developing.
I really don't know any other way to explain it! I suppose you could just wait it out until things become super obvious and blatant. In reality they are just trying to cushion the blow with the SILLY drone stuff.

So skeptics are left in a Saigon type situation grasping onto the silly Chinese drone theory --or bokeh!!
It is over for them, but a lot of them are still trying to escape on Chinese drones and optical illusions!!!


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Secret US tech nonsense = gone. Hoppin' on a Chinese drone, now!
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