U.S. Military: UFO Investigations, Knowledge & Disclosure(s)

[charliebrown]

One of the biggest heavyweights in ufology is Jacques Vallee, and after 60 years he has reported I seen strange things but I still don’t have a good explanation for UFOs.

This recent interview is on weird.com.

 

[Rappinghood]

I always say this but beings with god-like interstellar travel capabilities are hardly likely to fly around our atmosphere in crafts that are roughly analogous to the tech we have.

It's all very well saying that we can't know that for sure but we sit on the cusp of nanotechnology and other exotic tech so surely its reasonable to assume that beings who have mastered space time arent going to be using drones or saucers.

It seems to me the idea of UFOs being ET is a quaint hangover from the 50s, when governments likely encouraged belief in flying saucers et al to stop Russian spies reading reports of high altitude spy planes and such like being tested over civilian airspace.

From air balloons to drones, UFO sightings reflect the cultural awareness of technology at the time suggesting there's psychological workings behind a lot of this phenomena.

People still believe in a Roswell UFO that was actually piloted, which is a reflection of the technology of the age. Surely the idea of a piloted ET craft is silly to us in this age of drones piloted by people hundreds of miles away , just 70 years later. So the idea of a space faring civilization requiring pilots and that have design flaws that make them crash easily is absurd.
Yet, people do still think an alien vehicle crashed with a creature on board.



If there are legitimate UFOs that can't be explained by radar/tracking systems on fighter jet error, human misconception and Chinese drones then it might be time to consider a possibility other than aliens.

 

[eburacum]

People still believe in a Roswell UFO that was actually piloted, which is a reflection of the technology of the age.

Since it was a balloon, perhaps the pilot was Phineas Fogg.

 

[Ascalon]

LOVE Nick Pope, I highly respect him and value any opinion he has. He is always on our tv, especially the 'Ancient Aliens' shows that The History Channel does.

Genuinely...

 

[Ronnie Jersey]

I think Nick Pope works hard on these cases and does quite a bit of research, he appears often on our History Channel.
Why worry about my opinion, we all have one.

 

[Rappinghood]

Since it was a balloon, perhaps the pilot was Phineas Fogg.

Side note, as a kid I used to watch a cartoon show called Willy Fog, it was basically an anthropomorphic animals version of round the world in 80 days.

Had a great them song I still whistle to this day.

How's that for keeping a thread on topic!

 

[Aether Blue]

I always say this but beings with god-like interstellar travel capabilities are hardly likely to fly around our atmosphere in crafts that are roughly analogous to the tech we have.

Much depends on how homogeneously technology is distributed across more advanced civilizations.

For example, nuclear-powered aircraft carriers or submarines probably represent the current pinnacle of human nautical technology. However, if we look at the full spectrum of watercraft that humans deploy, then we see that most are considerably less advanced and sturdy. Heck, people go to sea in little more than washtubs, either as a result of a record attempt/dare, or some sort of emergency.

If a particular civilization develops drives capable of bridging the gulf between worlds that are cheap enough for individuals to own and small enough to fit into a pressurized hull of whatever size, then why wouldn't people go day tripping in what amount to tin cans? When I lived in Hawaii, the papers regularly reported local cases of humans going out onto the high seas of the Central Pacific in ludicrously inadequate craft, regulatory agencies be damned!

Maybe unearthly beings arriving by balloon have just survived atmospheric reentry in their equivalent of a rubber raft.

 

[Zeke Newbold]

Since it was a balloon, perhaps the pilot was Phineas Fogg.

Point of information (and forgive me for going a bit off topic): there is no use of an air balloon by Phileas Fogg in Around the World in Eighty Days!

This is a common `Mythconception`.

Fogg and his associates employ rail and various types of steam boat and a wind powered sledge at one point - as well as, I believe, riding on the back of a n elephant - but no air balloon.

The novel is very much about the shrinkage of the world brought about by the cutting edge transport technology of the day - viz train and steam boat - air balloons are slow and unreliable and do not fit that theme.

.The 1956 film version of the book features an air balloon and of course another Jules Verne novel is called Five Weeks in a Balloon (1863).

The situation is not helped by the fact that a lot of illustrators employ an air balloon as the Go-To image for the cover publications of the book!

More here:
https://jedibyknight.com/2014/07/19/there-is-no-hot-air-balloon-in-around-the-world-in-eighty-days/

 

[Rappinghood]

Point of information (and forgive me for going a bit off topic): there is no use of an air balloon by Phileas Fogg in Around the World in Eighty Days!

This is a common `Mythconception`.

Fogg and his associates employ rail and various types of steam boat and a wind powered sledge at one point - as well as, I believe, riding on the back of a n elephant - but no air balloon.

The novel is very much about the shrinkage of the world brought about by the cutting edge transport technology of the day - viz train and steam boat - air balloons are slow and unreliable and do not fit that theme.

.The 1956 film version of the book features an air balloon and of course another Jules Verne novel is called Five Weeks in a Balloon (1863).

The situation is not helped by the fact that a lot of illustrators employ an air balloon as the Go-To image for the cover publications of the book!

More here:
https://jedibyknight.com/2014/07/19/there-is-no-hot-air-balloon-in-around-the-world-in-eighty-days/

I've never read the book.
Great Post!

 

[Rappinghood]

Much depends on how homogeneously technology is distributed across more advanced civilizations.

For example, nuclear-powered aircraft carriers or submarines probably represent the current pinnacle of human nautical technology. However, if we look at the full spectrum of watercraft that humans deploy, then we see that most are considerably less advanced and sturdy. Heck, people go to sea in little more than washtubs, either as a result of a record attempt/dare, or some sort of emergency.

If a particular civilization develops drives capable of bridging the gulf between worlds that are cheap enough for individuals to own and small enough to fit into a pressurized hull of whatever size, then why wouldn't people go day tripping in what amount to tin cans? When I lived in Hawaii, the papers regularly reported local cases of humans going out onto the high seas of the Central Pacific in ludicrously inadequate craft, regulatory agencies be damned!

Maybe unearthly beings arriving by balloon have just survived atmospheric reentry in their equivalent of a rubber raft.

It would be funny if an alien/time traveller/thing of origin we'd never previously dreamed of turned up and said "Can we keep this between us? The Warp Drive Regulatory Commission will be really angry at me if they find out I came here. I'm supposed to be visiting the Bootes Void."

 

[eburacum]

Point of information (and forgive me for going a bit off topic): there is no use of an air balloon by Phileas Fogg in Around the World in Eighty Days!
This is a common `Mythconception`.

I did know that, actually. The character Phineas Fogg is indelibly associated with balloons nowadays, though, thanks to the 1956 film.

Here are Saul Bass' animated end credits, which show the events of the film in caricature. The depiction of Robert Newton is particularly touching (this was his last film, since he drank himself to death after filming ended).

 

[charliebrown]

Canada released an unorganized 20 years of UFO reports.

So far, it seems the Canadian Royal Air Force ignored all UFO sightings even the most credible events with radar readings and multiple witnesses.

 

[Frideswide]

The US release which was going to/totally did/totally didn't prove the existence of alien civilization spacescraft?

Please can a generous soul (or two or three!) summarise what it said, now that people can look back at it and time has gone by for analysis?

This isn't my subject and trying to read this section of the place gives me a stress headache I can't seem to get up to speed on it at all.

 

[charliebrown]

Well Frideswide,

To think about UFOs it helps to be drunk to keep your head from exploding.

I saw my first UFO when I was in the 4th grade, and I have not found any answers.

It is like do you believe that God exists or you don’t believe in something not seen.

So far amid the tons of circumstantial evidence, no real proof of UFOs.

 

[Ronnie Jersey]

Well Frideswide,

To think about UFOs it helps to be drunk to keep your head from exploding.

I saw my first UFO when I was in the 4th grade, and I have not found any answers.

It is like do you believe that God exists or you don’t believe in something not seen.

So far amid the tons of circumstantial evidence, no real proof of UFOs.

Of course not, they won't allow us to see / hear proof of UFO's.
My opinion is that the world governments know they cannot possibly keep up with their astronomical speeds, so there is not much they can do about these things. I believe that they are always watching the UFO reports, especially landings / abductions, because they are not sure if these things are friendly, or have ulterior motives, or are simply time machines from the future.
So they play the reports down and make silly excuses such as 'swamp gas', etc., as J. Allen Hynek found out. He originally started out working for the government and eventually came to the realization that these UFO's are real. Very telling that an investigator actually did that.
And after seeing one of these things in action, there are no doubts in my mind either.

 

[eburacum]

Here's the report released in June 2021 by the US Intelligence service:
https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf
Supposedly this is only the stuff which can be released- the rest is secret and sensitive. Some members of the Senate and other officials have received a more detailed 'classified' version, known as the Classified Annexe, which goes into more detail.

This report says that 143 out of 144 reports described have not yet been explained, but little else.


A wiki page about the report
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_Report_(U.S._Intelligence)

University of Pennsylvania historian Kathryn Dorsch sees parallels with Cold War era interest in UFOs and says that alien-piloted UFOs are not a likely explanation. According to Dorsch, “God love the US Air Force, but answering fundamental epistemological questions is not super high on their to-do list. This is why the military has always struggled with this UFO question. They want to know if this thing is a threat, and if it’s not, great.”[41]

There are supposed to be regular updates from this committee, but none have been released yet, as far as I can tell.

 

[Frideswide]

This report says that 143 out of 144 reports described have not yet been explained, but little else.

what was the explanation of the 1/144 ?

 

[eburacum]

A large deflating balloon.

(By a strange coincidence that is also the most likely explanation for the saucer I saw back in 1966).

 

[Frideswide]

A large deflating balloon.

(By a strange coincidence that is also the most likely explanation for the saucer I saw back in 1966).

Thank you! I can now return to my attempts to read through the rest of this are of the site

 

[ChasFink]

The character Phineas Fogg is indelibly associated with balloons nowadays, though, thanks to the 1956 film.

Phileas Fogg.

 

[Sabresonic]

Side note, as a kid I used to watch a cartoon show called Willy Fog, it was basically an anthropomorphic animals version of round the world in 80 days.

Had a great them song I still whistle to this day.

How's that for keeping a thread on topic!

I liked the theme tune but couldn't keep me hooked like Dogtanian.

 

[Comfortably Numb]

Whatever one's personal opinion on the question of any 'cover-up', I was recently watching a documentary about the size of the universe and it was mentioned there are more stars/suns in the universe than grains of sand on earth.

Whether or not 'they' are here, seems a reasonable conclusion they are out there!

Still can't get my head around the scale of it all.

 

[Comfortably Numb]

Separately regarding the 'Joe Simonton' thread, I unearthed a related article from NICAP'S 'U.F.O. Investigator', July/August, 1961 newsletter.

However, the following also appears in an article from that same newsletter and directly pertinent to this thread:

Over 60 years later and a failure to provide any proof of the allegation...

Conversely, if you had said back then, that 60 years from now, it would still prove fruitless....

What seems categorically proven, is that there never was a 'flying saucer' cover-up at all?

 

[charliebrown]

A tiny piece of the UFO puzzle has come to light in a weird way.

Director of National Intelligence, Avril Haines, criticized the U. S. excessive use of “ top secret “ classifications on different levels which causes distrust among different U. S. departments of intelligence and produces lack of cooperation.

In her criticism she alluded to that UAP information has been unfairly obliterated.

 

[maximus otter]

Obama’s Presidential Library Has Thousands of Files on UFOs​

The Barack Obama Presidential Library claims it has “3,440 pages and 26,271 electronic files” possibly related to the existence of UFOs and related phenomenon.

We know this thanks to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by John Greenewald Jr., of The Black Vault, a clearinghouse of declassified government documents. Greenewald asked the Presidential Library for “documents and communications about the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program and photos and videos of Unidentified Flying Objects, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena/Phenomenon and the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program.”

Obama himself is on record saying that UFOs are real. “When it comes to aliens, there are some things I just can’t tell you on air,” he told Reggie Watts during a 2021 appearance on The Late Show with James Corden. “But what is true is that there is footage and records of objects in the sky that we don’t know exactly what they are. How they move, their trajectory. They did not have an easily explainable pattern. So I think that people still take that seriously and try to figure out what that is.”

https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgmnqd/obamas-presidential-library-has-thousands-of-files-on-ufos

maximus otter

 

[eburacum]

From that article;

Former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pursued the truth of UFOs relentlessly in and out of office. A former staffer of Reid’s told Politico the quest didn’t pan out. “After a while, the consensus was we really couldn’t find anything of substance. They produced reams of paperwork. After all of that, there was really nothing there that we could find.

 

[eburacum]

Here's Mick West's latest video about the GIMBAL clip from the US Navy.
So far the analysis has explained just about everything in the clip; however the identity of the plane concerned is still a mystery, so it is still, technically, a UFO.

 

[charliebrown]

Here is the insanity of it all, and the joke of it all !

Governments that try to discredit UFOs as it turns out that their intelligence agencies and their presidential libraries have tons of UFO documents.

And these governments go to great lengths to convince the public that UFOs are fairy tales, but they kept their UFO secrets.

The insanity !

 

[eburacum]

David Clarke campaigned for the 'tons of UFO documents' held by the UK government to be released, but they turned out to be mostly nonsense. Sturgeon's Law states that '90% of everything is crap', and if the other 10% is interesting, it can take weeks or months of patient analysis by people like West to find out what is really happening.

If Harry Reid's staffers couldn't find anything of interest, I doubt anyone else will.

 

[charliebrown]

The Obama Presidential Library put a stop to Obama’s UFO papers saying this information will not be available for 16 years.

Ufologist have guess that possibly Obama was upset about reports of off world vehicles and had correspondent with different intelligence agencies.

Right in front of The Late Show as told in above post, Obama seemed very concern about UFOs in front of the TV audience.

You can’t say this did not happen.