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U.S. Military: UFO Investigations, Knowledge & Disclosure

A supposedly long time investigating ufologist, Preston Dennett, claims that very important UFO crash from 1953 that has been overlooked was just outside of Kingman, Arizona called Paradise Valley.

This event involved recent atomic bomb testing in the area, a recovery team from Indian Springs-now Creech Air Force Base, eye witnesse, and freedom of information reports released over the years.

Witnesses claim that an atomic bomb test disrupted seven nearby UfOs causing 3 UFOs to crash.

It has come to light that stronger than average radar was being used in the area.

A man named Stansel, Air Force Engineer, who cleaned up the bodies with the crashes signed paper work all was true.

Former Deputy of Defense Chris Mellon released redacted conversations of the above.

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/ufo-crashed-arizona-was-stolen-33425102
 
A supposedly long time investigating ufologist, Preston Dennett, claims that very important UFO crash from 1953 that has been overlooked was just outside of Kingman, Arizona called Paradise Valley.

This event involved recent atomic bomb testing in the area, a recovery team from Indian Springs-now Creech Air Force Base, eye witnesse, and freedom of information reports released over the years.

Witnesses claim that an atomic bomb test disrupted seven nearby UfOs causing 3 UFOs to crash.

It has come to light that stronger than average radar was being used in the area.

A man named Stansel, Air Force Engineer, who cleaned up the bodies with the crashes signed paper work all was true.

Former Deputy of Defense Chris Mellon released redacted conversations of the above.

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/ufo-crashed-arizona-was-stolen-33425102
Probably directed to do that via who knows who.
 
For 80 years the U.S. government has told everyone that UFOs are fairytales.

Even Rep.Tim Burchett of the Congress UFO Oversight Committee has said that the Pentagon has not told the truth to the American public.
 
Luis Elizondo, formerly from the past ATTIP program, wrote a book call “ imminent “.

It took a year from the Pentagon to examine his book to look for security violations, but agreed to the final draft.

Besides claiming his constant struggle to get the needed Pentagon resources, Luis makes a astonishing claim.

For years green orbs have been following his every move.

For years green orbs have been zipping through the walls of his home, not causing any damage.

Luis claims there is a superior force among us.
 
From Slashdot:

An Insider's Perspective Into the Pentagon's UFO Hunt (nytimes.com)79
Posted by BeauHD on Saturday August 17, 2024 @06:00AM from the behind-the-scenes dept.

In his new memoir, Imminent, former senior intelligence official Luis Elizondo claims that a supersecret program has been retrieving technology and biological remains of nonhuman origin for decades, warning that these phenomena could pose a serious national security threat or even an existential threat to humanity. The New York Times reports:

Luis Elizondo made headlines in 2017 when he resigned as a senior intelligence official running a shadowy Pentagon program investigating U.F.O.s and publicly denounced the excessive secrecy, lack of resources and internal opposition that he said were thwarting the effort. Elizondo's disclosures at the time created a sensation. They were buttressed by explosive videos and testimony from Navy pilots who had encountered unexplained aerial phenomena, and led to congressional inquiries, legislation and a 2023 House hearing in which a former U.S. intelligence official testified that the federal government has retrieved crashed objects of nonhuman origin.

Now Elizondo, 52, has gone further in a new memoir. In the book he asserted that a decades-long U.F.O. crash retrieval program has been operating as a supersecret umbrella group made up of government officials working with defense and aerospace contractors. Over the years, he wrote, technology and biological remains of nonhuman origin have been retrieved from these crashes. "Humanity is, in fact, not the only intelligent life in the universe, and not the alpha species," Elizondo wrote. The book, "Imminent: Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for U.F.O.s," is being published by HarperCollins on Aug. 20 after a yearlong security review by the Pentagon.

https://entertainment.slashdot.org/...iders-perspective-into-the-pentagons-ufo-hunt

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The whole thing is, obviously, not plausible in the least. There is not a single technological discovery that cannot be explained plausibly by regular scientific progress. There is not a single piece of solid evidence. And, in addition, these "aliens" seem to constrain themselves to the US, which, again, is not plausible at all. The whole thing is advanced nonsense, nothing else.

How do you explain WD40 then? It cleans, removes rust, lubricates, kills hornets. One can lasts a lifetime. Surely... aliens!

And:

Either
(1) This guy is the first person in the history of a vast, 80 year old conspiracy to blow the whistle, or...
(2) this guy worked in a minor program charged investigating crackpot claims, realized how credulous people were, and decided to use that to supplement his modest government pension.
 
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The U.S. Pentagon put a stop on Elizondo’s book for a year going over everything in the book carefully before they agreed to the release.

I think the Pentagon has something to hide from the public concerning UFOs.
 
Yet they sanctioned the release of this completely bonkers book about psychic UFO hunters working for the DOD. They must have decided that it was so unbelievable that no-one would possibly believe it.

Double bluff, or the simple truth?
 
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Elizondo in his book claims he was harassed by basketball sized green orbs even coming into his house.

I don’t remember where, but I have read other reports of people reporting orbs coming into their homes, but these people interpreted these orbs as the spirits of their dead loved ones.
 
I am surprised Elizondo wrote a book because the Pentagon scrutinized every word, and he was not really free to say everything.
 
Mick West calmly demolishes Elizondo's credibility regarding the descriptions of the famous videos in the new book, as if we needed more of this.

It's foolish to believe anything Elizondo says. He's frequently mistaken, careless, a liar, or all three. Will UFO fans do the work to fact-check? No. They want to believe and will just listen and follow. That's why the entire subject is so dubious.
 
Here’s a relatively positive review:
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2024/08/the-new-elizondo-book.html

That said, no matter what your view on aliens, the bureaucratic history surrounding debates on aliens is a fascinating one, and one very much underexplored by serious scholars. For instance, the more skeptical you are about aliens, the more you have to think our military and intelligence bureaucracies are just entirely, out of control insane. Here you will get a first person account of how incidents such as Tic Toc and GIMBAL evolved. I am not talking about interpretations concerning the aliens, I mean just the history of how these events were processed, recorded, and discussed. Along that exceedingly scarce dimension, this is indeed a valuable memoir.
 
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I am one of the very few journalists who have critically reported on Elizondo--since 2018. Those stories have appeared everywhere from The Intercept to Issues in Science & Technology.
I have a new piece up today that delves into his book and explains why he is able to so easily fool the media (and now Congress):
https://www.spytalk.co/p/star-drek-ufo-crank-luis-elizondo
 
Mick West calmly demolishes Elizondo's credibility regarding the descriptions of the famous videos in the new book, as if we needed more of this.

It's foolish to believe anything Elizondo says. He's frequently mistaken, careless, a liar, or all three. Will UFO fans do the work to fact-check? No. They want to believe and will just listen and follow. That's why the entire subject is so dubious.
Just found this video over at Metabunk where there is also a written analysis of hs claims. I will paste the whole post as I am sure the poster would be happy for me to do so:

Luis Elizondo's book "Imminent - Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs" contains many extraordinary claims about crashed alien craft, psychic powers, abductions, implants, vast government conspiracies, glowing orbs, and other unusual things.

Unfortunately, Elizondo provided no supporting evidence for the more extreme claims, saying that they are all classified. So how are we to judge the accuracy of claims in the book.

What we can do is fact-check as much as possible, and then extrapolate the results of that out to the rest of the book.

There are some things we can check. In particular He talks about four videos, Gimbal, Gofast, Flir1, and Aguadilla. I'm very familiar with these, having done some fairly complex analysis on them over the years. So if I fact check Elizondo's account of those videos, that should give an indication how accurate the rest of the book is.

What I found was rather surprising. His descriptions of the videos were riddled with basic errors.

The first video is the famous Gimbal video, about which he says on page 146:

the object looks elongated and white. But that color is somewhat misleading. Since the camera is in infrared mode, white merely indicates that the object is "cold"—no heat emanating from the aircraft at all.

This is just not just wrong, it's backwards. The camera is in white hot mode, WHT, which means the object is hot, not cold, and it means there IS a heat signature. He repeats this error again after the camera switches to black hot mode, BHT.

The object is now black, which in this camera mode also indicates that the object is "cold"—no heat signature.

But again, it's the opposite, the object is hot, and there is a heat signature. Much is made of objects that fly without a heat signature, but this is not one of those objects. He got that fundamental fact entirely wrong.

When the camera does that change from White Hot to Black Hot, he describes this as:

Suddenly everything in the image pulls into better resolution. You can practically hear the pilots gasp

But when this happens the resolution remains exactly the same. The image is simply inverted, and there's zero reaction from the pilots at that point

Rather bizarrely, after telling us twice that it's a cold object with no heat signature, he then tells us that it's a hot object, saying on page 150

The object itself was indicated as being very hot; however, the air surrounding it was very cold. It didn't make any sense.

As well as being the opposite of what he said earlier, this comment about "the air surrounding it" refers to another thing that's wrong, the concept of an aura or bubble around the craft. He mentions this several times.

Page 149:
a slight aura can be seen around the GIMBAL object? Was this a protective bubble? Was this an artifact of the propulsion unit?

Page 153:
I remembered that a bubble around an aircraft was exactly what we'd seen in the GIMBAL video

Page 150:

... that weird little bubble. Was it some sort of illusion or effect produced by the camera? According to the CIA, it was not. It was not an artifact of the camera nor a lens flare. Whatever it was, it was real.


And yet it wasn't. We know what it was, an artifact of the camera, something we've seen on many other videos, and something confirmed by people familiar with the camera system. We see it here, using the same camera. The man from the CIA was wrong, but Elizondo accepts the faulty assessment despite, on page 149, mercilessly mocking the CIA rep for "half-assed" exploration, "tortured logic," and "comical" responses.

The reason for his attachment to the idea of an aura or bubble is revealed later when he speculates about anti-gravity drives using some kind of warp bubble. He even says of Gimbal "On the observables scale, it was clearly an antigravity device."

But there's no bubble, and it's not at all clear that it's anti-gravity. Analysis show there are other explanations that are a lot simpler, like thermal glare obscuring a distant jet, roating because the camera rotates, but that's another topic.

Finally on Gimbal, Elizondo says:

Everything the video showed, the pilots backed up with eyewitness testimony.

This is misleading at best. The pilots didn't actually see the object - because it was dark. All they saw were some tracks on the radar, and the same video we see now.

A false claim of eyewitness verification is also made when Elizondo talks about the second video, FLIR1.

FLIR1 is from the famous Tic-Tac Nimitz case, where two planes first had an encounter with something they described as a large flying Tic-Tac, and then a hour or so later, a different plane got video of an object they suspected was the same thing.

Elizondo starts out saying:

Seeing it on radar, and then with the naked eye, the pilot attempted to gain a lock on the Tic Tac

But if we look at the account of the pilot, interviewed in 2019, we see this was not the case. The pilot, Chad Underwood, says:

I didn't see anything with my eyeballs.
and he agreed that he "couldn't make visual contact with [his] own eyes"

Elizondo's next mistake is to say:

the pilot attempted to gain a lock on the Tic Tac. Cycling through various modes on his aircraft radar, he found it difficult to obtain one.

and

the UAP defies the pilot's attempt to get a good lock on it

This is just flat wrong. When we first see the object there's a rock solid passive track. We can see from the heading angle change that the object is moving from right to left, and yet it remains solidly in the center of the screen.
The camera is locked on.

The only time we see a brief degrading of the lock is when Underwood switches camera modes and the camera briefly can't see the object. The cycling through the modes was something Underwood said he was doing to get better video images, not to obtain locks. It's the exact opposite of what Elizondo said.

Elizondo then goes on to makes a bizarre and inexplicable claim, saying that the object:

displays no heat or acoustic signature

The reference to an acoustic signature is weird. The video has only cockpit audio. The ATFLIR does not record audio of distant objects. "acoustic signature" makes no sense.

But even stranger is the claim that there's no heat signature. At the start of the video we are in white hot mode and we see this heat signature. It's a heat source that so hot that we are getting this star-shaped glare. A very distinct heat signature.

The parts of the video that show a black object are in TV mode, which is not showing heat either way, but 40 seconds into the video Underwood switches back into IR mode (causing another brief loss of lock) and again we see the heat signature, this is seen most clearly towards the end of the video when we see what might be the heat signature from the shape of the aircraft, with a hot spot, maybe the engines, on the right side. We can't tell what this is, but it 100% has a heat signature.

Finally, Elizondo claims:

it's flying at hypersonic speeds and able to execute a maneuver almost instantaneously

And that it has an "instant disappearance" going "over the horizon in an instant"

None of this is apparent in the video, nor was it seen by Underwood, who never saw it with his eyeballs. We DO see the object fly off screen at one point due to a change in the optical path (like rotating the lenses on a microscope). At the end of the video we see the object drift off screen. It's moving at the same angular speed that it was being tracked at - the camera has simply lost lock due to all the changes Underwood was making. And then it was simply lost to the camera as Underwood zoomed in instead of out, and failed to slew the camera to follow it. There's nothing in the video that indicates it had hypersonic speed or vanished over the horizon.

The third video is GoFast. Elizondo has a short description of this, saying on page 145:

The object in one of the videos also resembled a Tic Tac, at least in the sense that it was rounded, smooth, and egg-shaped.

This is nonsense. The object in GoFast is a white fuzzy dot that covers about 8 pixels on screen. There's no way of knowing if it's rounded or shaped like a pyramid or a snowflake. You certainly can't tell if it's smooth or egg shaped.

And this 480P is the actual resolution in which the videos are recorded in-cockpit. Elizondo saw the same video you are looking at now.

He then says:

After several years of analysis, however, later researchers would claim that the object was going much slower than previously thought.

Claiming this took "Several Years" is very, very, wrong. The video was released to the public on March 9th, 2018. And on THAT SAME DAY I did the basic math that showed it was going much slower. The next day I was making videos in my backyard demonstrating parallax. Many other people did similar math.

So suggesting that it took several years to figure out is ridiculous, just wrong.

Elizondo then said:

This effect is called a parallax. I still don't agree with this assessment, since the pilots who witnessed the object flying marveled at its speed.

Again here the problem is that the video was shot at night. The pilots could not see the object, they only saw the same video we see here. We don't know what the object is, or even exactly how fast it's going (as we don't know the wind speeds) but we know it's not going particularly fast, and it's probably something like a balloon. And there's definitely parallax.


Finally we come to Aguadilla. This video was again shot at night, and Elizondo's first big mistake is to say:

"A UAP was spotted near the airport and was quickly tracked by a helicopter"

It was not a helicopter, it was a plane, which is a very important distinction as helicopters can hover, but the plane is in constant motion, which means we get a significant parallax effect.

Elizondo says:

The object, small, asymmetrical, and lobed, seemed to detect that it was being monitored by one of our helicopters. When it did, it zipped away.

Nothing like that appears in the video. The motion of the object appears near constant for the entire duration. At no point does it seem to "zip away"

Elizondo continues:

The pilots watched as the object swooped across an airfield and headed straight for the open waters of the Atlantic

What we see in the video is apparent motion - a combination of the the motion of the object itself, and the motion of the plane. Many different people and organizations have anlayzed the video and concluded a good fit for what we see is simply something like a pair of chinese lanterns drifting slowly in the wind. The motion we see is almost all parallax, and the object goes nowhere near the water, and certainly not under water.

Even discounting that, thought, there's no zipping away and no swooping across the airfield. Nor does it go straight for the water. If you take the apparent motion as real motion it's just going in a very lazy circle. Really though the most likely path is a straight line, in the direction of the wind.

Elizondo continues:

As the helicopter pursued it, the object then did the unimaginable. It dove into the ocean (transmedium travel).

First, it's not a helicopter. Second the plane was not pursuing it. In fact, at the time when the objects have the ocean behind them, the plane is flying away from it at 200 mph, parallax or no parallax. Again, it's the exact opposite of what Elizondo described.

There's a lot of that, lots of errors in things that are relatively straightforward, public knowledge. There' other things, like how he puts the wrong pilot in the back seat of David Fravor's plane. Jim Slaight was actually in the back seat of Alex Dietrich's plane. There's a pattern of sloppy inaccuracies and downplaying the simpler explanations.

----


So, I set out here to sample the accuracy of Elizondo's book. I picked the parts that I was familiar with, and that were based on public information that anyone can verify - the videos. You can see there are lots of errors, some wishful thinking, and sometimes claims of things being the exact opposite of how they actually were.

Can we then extrapolate this to the rest of the book? If these four videos are so terribly misreported, does that mean the rest of the books is just as riddled with errors?

Not necessarily. Maybe he just wasn't really that familiar with the videos. However, those videos have been the backbone of the UFO case for the last six years. If he got them wrong, it's fair to ask what else he got wrong"

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/errors-in-luis-elizondos-ufo-book-imminent.13613/#post-321533
 
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Departmemt of Intelligence and former military jet fighter pilot, Chris Mellon, claims that he supports people like Elizondo for trying to take the taboo out of an unspoken subject.
 
Elizondo 'leaked' the Navy UFO clips to Mellon in 2017, because Mellon had already shown interest in the subject. I say 'leaked', because I'd already seen the FLIR clip elsewhere ten years before.

If the taboo has been lifted that is a good, thing, since it seems likely that all these clips could be explained given enough information, and going forward there should be more information available for each clip. For instance, Metabunk is explaining a number of new videos every week, caused by the Starlink flaring phenomenon.
 
Elizondo claims the people in the Pentagon were in the mindset that UFOs and extraterrestrials were demons of the Christian religion and he had terrible threats from these people, and he feared someone was going to kill him.

Elizondo claims continued harassment against himself and his family with his quest to find out if UFOs are a “ clear and present danger “.
 
Elizondo 'leaked' the Navy UFO clips to Mellon in 2017, because Mellon had already shown interest in the subject. I say 'leaked', because I'd already seen the FLIR clip elsewhere ten years before.

If the taboo has been lifted that is a good, thing, since it seems likely that all these clips could be explained given enough information, and going forward there should be more information available for each clip. For instance, Metabunk is explaining a number of new videos every week, caused by the Starlink flaring phenomenon.
*Noting that Starlink - started 2015. And according to Wikipedia,
Production
StatusActive since 2019; 5 years ago.
 
Yes; the videos that Metabunk are currently debunking are recent ones, made since the Starlink deployment. This trend is going to continue, since Musk intends to launch several thousand more satellites.

Obviously the Starlink constellation was not the explanation for the FLIR clip -that is still unexplained, but since the US DOD threw away all the radar data and other associated evidence, it is likely to remain unexplained. However, with luck this situation will now change- from now on, the AARO should be allowed to examine all records pertaining to any sighting- and this could, with luck, allow them to determine the explanation of each event.

And of course, any sighting that remains unexplained even when all the information becomes available would be much more interesting and convincing.
 
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I am surprised Elizondo wrote a book because the Pentagon scrutinized every word, and he was not really free to say everything.
Generally when the government reviews your proposed book in the US (because you were in a national security position), they are just making sure you do not write about something that is classified/secret. Other than that, you can say whatever you want, true or not.
 
Famous American physicist Michio Kaku tells NewsNation news service that he only has praises for Luis Elizondo for bringing the UFO subject out to be discussed.

Pentagon spokeswoman Sue Gough released a statement saying that Luis Elizondo was an unimportant, unspecified employee of the AATIP program and the Pentagon disputes all information that Elizondo claims.

Sue Gough claims there has been absolutely no proof of UFOs, unearthly materials, UFO retrievals or extraterrestrial bodies that the Pentagon has come across.
 
Sue Gough is probably right.
Personally, I wouldn't trust anything from someone who gives out a statement saying that. . . "a former employee was an unimportant, or/and an unspecified person!" :rcard:
 
We don't need to trust Sue Gough; we can see from the inaccuracies and mistakes in his book that Elizondo has no idea what he is talking about. He's an enthusiastic believer with no critical facilities whatsoever.
 
We don't need to trust Sue Gough; we can see from the inaccuracies and mistakes in his book that Elizondo has no idea what he is talking about. He's an enthusiastic believer with no critical facilities whatsoever.
That may, or may not be true.
However, I was referring to the way that the derogatory remarks of unimportant & unspecified person where quoted ~ as above.
 
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