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UFO Expert Max Spiers Found Dead

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UFO expert found dead days after texting mum: 'Your boy's in trouble - if anything happens to me, investigate'
Dad of two Max Spiers was found dead on a sofa days before he was meant to give a talk about conspiracy theories and UFOs

Max Spiers, 39, a father to two boys, was found dead on a sofa in Poland, where he had gone to give a talk about conspiracy theories and UFOs.

He was ruled to have died from natural causes despite no post-mortem examination being carried out on his body. But his dark investigations into UFOs and government cover-ups may have made him enemies who wanted him dead, says mother Vanessa Bates, 63.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ufo-expert-found-dead-days-9058279?ICID=FB_mirror_main
 
This is creepy. Apparently, he was involved in other conspiracy research, aside from UFOs - looking into scandals about eminent people.
 
A brief check online appears to indicate he died in July, not right now, yet the Mirror/Sun are giving coverage on this months after?

Does anyone here on the forum have any direct awareness of him, or his UFO/CT interests? Or know someone who does? If not here, where better?
 
Two weeks before his death, he uploaded a video to Youtube.

The rise of the 4th Reich and the way Zion and Nazi are anagrams! And there are Fannies on the Moon. :rolleyes:

The video, from a Polish source features an interviewer who struggles with English while Mr Spiers struggles with reality. It is sixty-seven minutes long and I did not make it past the two minute mark.

Actual quote from the text beneath:
"Mr Spiers said he had himself seen inside a base where he said children were being used for their “pure energy”.

He said: “I have seen a vat of children in disassociated states, some crying, some not and some completely gone.

“They also have female breeders down there constantly breeding children, thousands of them."

There is a memorial fund, which may explain the rash of publicity. :huh:
 
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“If you look at the word Zion you just change a vowel around and switch the letters around and you have the word Nazi.
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Oh Christ on a bike - not again. Conspirascrabble is the last (and often first) resort of the tinfoiler; it's like saying that if you take one word and fuck around with it enough to turn it into another, you turn it into another.*

Yes - we know!

Yeah - and if you take the name Max Spiers and fool around with one consonant from either word you get Mad Spiels.

* It's good fun though: Elvis Presley - Take the 'V' out of Elvis and you have an anagram of the word 'Lies'. Add that V to the name of his birthplace and you get the name Tupelov, the great Soviet aeronautical designer and creator of the intercontinental bomber the Tu-95. Clearly, therefore, Elvis Aaron Presley was an agent of the Soviets - specialising in pathfinding for bombing raids. Probably.

Oh, and Aaron was the first high priest of the Israelites - need I say more??!

Seriously...I could do this all day long - it's great fun, but absolute bollocks.
 
More on the world of Max Spiers here:

"Max Spiers woke up at age 31 and remembered his mind control conditioning and involvement in MK Ultra programs. He speaks of his sense of betrayal and resentment at those who put him through such abuse. Fortunately, when he reached the 31 (a symbolically powerful number and the inverse of 13), he began to have “bleed through”, where he began to recall and access aspects of his other lives."

"Spiers has personally seen the aura or energetic body of certain people and felt reptilian energy. He has had images connected to Prince Charles being a reptilian, as well as Jimmy Savile and the Bush family."

The oddest feature of the case would seem to be his mother's claim that she believed her son was onto something.

:(
 
JamesWhitehead said:
The video, from a Polish source features an interviewer who struggles with English while Mr Spiers struggles with reality. It is sixty-seven minutes long and I did not make it past the two minute mark.
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I like the "Super Soldier" bit at 8:20, The host explains to Max that Elena Kapulnik "contacted" Queen Elizabeth through her "astral body" and the Queen "told her she's a 7,000 years old reptilian"

"How do you find that?" he asks. Max replies, "I would probably agree with that... I don't know the specifics like you said, but I wouldn't doubt that."
 
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Radio 4's pm programme tonight featured a somewhat surreal interview with a man called Johnstone - presumably Miles Johnstone, who features in a number of online interviews about the case.

He believes he has himself been poisoned with a mix of two snake venoms and that Max Spiers is currently "neither alive nor dead" but in a third state! This is a paraphrase as it took me a moment to focus on what was being discussed. :huh:
 
sherbetbizarre said:
I like the "Super Soldier" bit at 8:20
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I see this "Super Soldier" label is bandied around a lot now in some conspiracy circles. Spiers laid claim to belonging to a circle of initiates, victims of sinister mental progamming by NWO interests yet enabled thereby to access astral realms and speak in prophetic mode.

The victim narrative leaks into the lizard realm and the more florid reaches of the establishment sex-ring mythos while some of the more macho language reaches out to the end-times and survivalist strands. There are murky tales of how Spiers was given STDs by brainwashed sex-puppets . . .

I need a lie down. :huh:
 
JamesWhitehead said:
Radio 4's pm programme tonight featured a somewhat surreal interview with a man called Johnstone - presumably Miles Johnstone, who features in a number of online interviews about the case.

He believes he has himself been poisoned with a mix of two snake venoms and that Max Spiers is currently "neither alive nor dead" but in a third state! This is a paraphrase as it took me a moment to focus on what was being discussed. :huh:
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I heard that! It was just bizarre.
BTW, Max Spiers is not the only UFO researcher to have died 'under mysterious circumstances'.
 
Conspiracy theorist Max Spiers 'about to reveal details of black magic ring' before death in Poland
A British conspiracy theorist found dead in Poland had been about to publish claims of a global black magic ring involving politicians and celebrities, his distraught fiancee claims.

UFO expert Max Spiers was found dead on a sofa of the Warsaw flat he was staying, with claims from friends he “vomited a black liquid” and may have been poisoned.

The 39-year-old, who had two children, was ruled to have died from natural causes though his mother claims no post-mortem examination has been carried out on his body.
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http://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...gic-ring-before-death-in-poland-a3371541.html
 
Mythopoeika said:
I heard that! It was just bizarre.
BTW, Max Spiers is not the only UFO researcher to have died 'under mysterious circumstances'.
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Maybe, but is this like the "someone's killing microbiologists" thing where closer examination showed that the scientists were dying at statistically normal rates.
 
kamalktk said:
Maybe, but is this like the "someone's killing microbiologists" thing where closer examination showed that the scientists were dying at statistically normal rates.
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There was also - a couple of years or so ago - a 'someone's killing bankers' thing going around. When I looked into it, turned out they were including bank-tellers and service personnel (which very clearly represents a ridiculously broad definition of the term 'banker', and boosts the sample by a factor of an awful lot) - and some named individuals had, on further examination, not been bankers at all (one example that sticks in my mind is a Tata Motors executive who had never worked in the banking sector).

On examination, many of these types of claim rely on some very basic misunderstandings in the area of statistics and probability, as well as some stupidly broad definitions; think Texas sharpshooter, with not one barn to shoot at, but a dozen joined end to end.
 
Did one of you do him in? Poor Max. We all have our detractors, but he didn't deserve to die at the hands of reasonablists. Things have gotten way out of hand when a harmless nutter is put to his eternal rest for spouting what is pretty standard nonsense. Who did it ever hurt?

I sad. :(
 
There's a world of difference between wishing someone harm and taking issue with their ideas; death does not make those ideas untouchable, neither does it consecrate us - if it did we'd all be bloody saints.

skinny said:
Who did it ever hurt?
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Imaginary conspiracies are dangerous - they have a track record, they have hurt millions.

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This chap could have had a genuine coronary in a public place with a world renowned and respected cardiologist present with ECG showing and a crash team, all on camera and there'd still be a conspiracy theory about it.
 
skinny said:
Pish posh. Prove it.
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Well, for a start there's this wee thing called the Shoah. It was based on an imagined conspiracy, it killed millions. (Admittedly, some individuals believe the truth of this event is itself unproven and therefore cannot itself be used as a proof - I am not one of them.) Several more recent conspiracies follow a very similar trajectory to this one: the alleged perpetrators are often changed in name and appearance - but I can't be the only person to believe that many of the proponents of said theories can barely resist resorting to the original libel.

In fact some clearly cannot - Max Spiers, by his own admission, being one of them. (Many conspiracy theorists seem to see themselves as maverick and original thinkers, unfettered by mainstream orthodoxy - when in fact they are often, quite clearly, relentlessly conservative and reactionary: there's nothing new or radical about them - they are just the latest installment in an ongoing historical process.)

And the pogroms which blighted Europe long before the Nazis were even thought of were the result of similar imagined conspiracies. As was the European Witch Craze. As were the regular outbreaks of racial violence in the American South (and, at times, the North) etc - ad infinitum. Many people die as a result of vaccine related conspiracy theories in the Indian subcontinent and beyond - many die as the result of birth-control conspiracy theories in Africa.

History is rank with race libels and paranoid conspiracy theories - the only proof you really need is to open a book.
 
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But don't open a book called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. A lot of deluded people still think it's genuine...
 
GNC said:
But don't open a book called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. A lot of deluded people still think it's genuine...
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Which is kind of a proof of my point.

But you don’t have to go that far – Trump’s Twitter account is probably more accessible.
 
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Spookdaddy said:
And the pogroms which blighted Europe long before the Nazis were even thought of were the result of similar imagined conspiracies. As was the European Witch Craze. As were the regular outbreaks of racial violence in the American South (and, at times, the North) etc - ad infinitum. Many people die as a result of vaccine related conspiracy theories in the Indian subcontinent and beyond - many die as the result of birth-control conspiracy theories in Africa.
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Your presentation of things is one-sided. By downplaying the dangers of real conspiracies (and confirming that anti-conspiracism is nothing else than a convenient counter-conspiracism).
Many less people were hurt by beliefs in conspiracies that by real conspiracies. Colonialism, the Holocaust and the whole Second World War itself, the same pogroms you list, domination and exploitation of the Third World by hungry capitalist powers were all the result of massive conspiracies directed at whole populations, we could add to the list attempts at global domination by Communists, and now massacres in Libya, Syria, Iraq etc...

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GNC said:
But don't open a book called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. A lot of deluded people still think it's genuine...
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Which is kind of a proof of my point.
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In fact, the same could apply here. The lessons to be learned from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are ambivalent as they were themselves the product of a conspiracy, in fact the claims that they were forged by the Russian secret services is itself a conspiracy theory.
 
Wouldn't surprise me if many of those conspiracy theorist investigators would come across criminal and illegal stuff, not ready for the public. Doesn't have to be something supernatural or fortean.
 
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