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My UFO Sightings Over The Years (GhostofFort)

Can you give a better idea of the size? If so, this would help - a lot - about eliminating the chances of its having been any B-2, or similar-such aircraft. I received the impression from your original post that it was too large to be such, really.

Take care, though, everybody. Matters seem to be improving for us; so far, we appear not to have been hit as hard as we could have been. Ssend some good hopes this way that this is the truth.
 
GhostofFort said:
Can you give a better idea of the size? If so, this would help - a lot - about eliminating the chances of its having been any B-2, or similar-such aircraft. I received the impression from your original post that it was too large to be such, really.

Take care, though, everybody. Matters seem to be improving for us; so far, we appear not to have been hit as hard as we could have been. Ssend some good hopes this way that this is the truth.
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Yes, that's another thing, the size of the thing. It *felt* to me to have the heft and power of a lumbering WWII bomber, but I know I was thinking at the same time that it was much bigger than a bomber. If I had to guess I'd say it was just under the length of a passenger jet. It was also graceful. This thing was not powering through the sky at sonic speed, it was gracefully gliding.

But I really am guessing, and just remembering my thoughts as I tried to make sense of it. I know I was very frustrated that even when it was above and in front of me, I could make out no shape at all. Had it not been for the lights tipping its nose and wings, I doubt I'd have seen it at all.

To really know what I saw I'd have to see it again, and have it followed by a passenger jet, a WWII bomber and a B-2, just to compare.

I think I'm happy for it to remain a mystery, and hopefully when my trips resume I'll see more weird and wonderful things.
 
I wish I could have gotten a look at this thing myself, Scribbles. It does sound intriguing, certainly. Different aircraft have differing patterns of ,lights which vary, I'm guessing, from nation to nation, depending on civilian, military, medical, and so on. Realize the UK is fairly-small in comparison to very large nations, although it would seem to make sense any craft being tested would be much more discreet, for reasons I have mentioned before.

Be sure to let everyone here know if you have future sightings which you think would interest us, or perhaps, think of something in the past which you believe worth posting about.
 
Will do, Ghost! I can't stop thinking about it. This afternoon I was going through Netflix and Amazon for interesting paranormal stuff and came across the documentary on the Phoenix Lights.

I'd heard of this event/s but didn't know the details. Absolutely fascinating. You can't dismiss a sighting that had literally thousands of eye witnesses.

Once again (like when I searched the Internet looking for for similar sightings of what I saw) I was struck by the witnesses' descriptions. Words used such as "graceful" "awe" "gliding" and reporting feeling a sense of "calmness" were all there. Obviously the sighting had a huge personal effect on a great many people.

I remember after I had seen this craft, I felt privileged to have seen it. And yes, just as the Phoenix people described, it did feel like it knew what a great show it was putting on.

The Pheonix craft was obviously super sized, and what I saw wasnt. It was in my estimation the size of a large aircraft, but it was as wide as it was long. There's some suggestion in the documentary that their craft might have been boomerang shaped rather than a triangle. I hadn't thought of that and it's a possibility (presuming it wasn't a known craft).

The one thing I keep coming back to was the lack of flashing coloured lights to indicate left/right/back. Aircraft always have them, and I'm quite used to seeing them in the Birmingham sky, flashing away. On the helicopters too.

The lights on this thing didn't flash and they weren't coloured. At the time, I tried to make sense of this by thinking it might be a museum piece out for a run and so it didn't have the modern Signalling on it. My mind also decided this was the reason the craft was flying so slow and low. But really? Doesn't make sense when you apply logic to it.

I really could kick myself for not making a nite of the time and date. I mightve been pushed to send out some enquiring emails!
 
I need to watch this! Thanks for the recommendation.

Edited to add that I absolutely loved The Phoenix Lights documentary! The witnesses indeed seemed to be transformed by their experiences.
 
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Glad you have now seen this documentary on The Phoenix Lights, Scribbles - more objects have been seen over the city in years since, for those not better acquainted with this case. As you say, this certainly appeared to be a vehicle, (one) of enormous size. And, as you say, it seemed deliberately to be putting on a show. It seems to me that more, and UFOs are allowing themselves to be seen en masse at times, and for extended periods. I have wondered if they, whoever exactly "they" eventually prove to be, are doing an end-run of sorts around the world's governments, and going straight to the world populations, as it were, in making themselves known. I wouldn't mind seeing a triangular-craft myself, but have not to-date. Ms. (Linda Moulton) Howe stated fairly-recently, I believe, that she feels we are no in the "confirmation" stage of the UFO question, or enigma, and it surely looks that way to me. The lady is, to me, anyway, the classic example of what a journalist should be, whether or not one always agrees with her views, and she has won some awards for courage in journalism, for those not too familiar with the lady's work over decades, now.
 
I thought it was really interesting how the media and politicians in Phoenix tried to either ignore the phenomenon or make fun of it, but those tactics in an age of social media didn't work. You can't fool thousands of people who are all talking to each other!
 
You said it, brother! You said it.

I would add that i sincere;y hope that NO nation is still attempting to bring down UFOs. According to some aging U.S. Air Force officers, such a policy was followed for several years here with unfortunate results for the fighter planes, and a similar policy was reportedly tried by diverse others for a time. If even only a modest amount of accounts are correct, some of these have the capability to disable just about all of humanity's weapons systems, including ICBMs.
 
Even the former governor came out and admitted he saw them too.
 
Impybat said:
Even the former governor came out and admitted he saw them too.
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I saw that and was really angered by it. He was such a coward to have lied and made fun of the situation. I suppose he was pressured by those around him to make light of it?
 
That's perfectly correct.
Of course, for those old enough to remember the Reagan years, he essentially admitted that an alien presence was among us, to paraphrase him.
Many have probably seen the address he gave in which he mused about an off-world threat uniting humanity, to put it in my own words. Pres. Reagan had a sighting while he was Governor of CA which many may know, and seems to have been quite interested in them from that point on.

On subject of former U.S. Presidents, President Carter is 96 later this year, I believe, and has been fighting a serious form of cancer as well successfully, for a few years, now. I have often wondered if he may leave something behind to be revealed after his demise? Some food for thought. Even Apollo astronaut Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin, now 90 himself, has eased his own views it appears, the past few years, from being against UFO reality to seeming open to the possibility a good deal more as the sunset of his life nears. In event, he doe snot seem nearly as negative as he always used to seem to in the past very few years.
 
michael59 said:
I saw that and was really angered by it. He was such a coward to have lied and made fun of the situation. I suppose he was pressured by those around him to make light of it?
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Yes I agree it was infuriating, and that he must have been told how to respond/spin the story. The part when the guy dressed like the alien made me cringe.
 
Agreed, people. The alien-mask was one of lowest-points of all in that affair. I am glad the fellow came clean later on, though.
 
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On subject of former U.S. Presidents, President Carter is 96 later this year, I believe, and has been fighting a serious form of cancer as well successfully, for a few years, now. I have often wondered if he may leave something behind to be revealed after his demise?
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I hope so. Carter is one of the most honest Presidents America has had. A good man, brought down by situations beyond his control.
 
GhostofFort said:
That's perfectly correct.
Of course, for those old enough to remember the Reagan years, he essentially admitted that an alien presence was among us, to paraphrase him.
Many have probably seen the address he gave in which he mused about an off-world threat uniting humanity, to put it in my own words. Pres. Reagan had a sighting while he was Governor of CA which many may know, and seems to have been quite interested in them from that point on.

On subject of former U.S. Presidents, President Carter is 96 later this year, I believe, and has been fighting a serious form of cancer as well successfully, for a few years, now. I have often wondered if he may leave something behind to be revealed after his demise? Some food for thought. Even Apollo astronaut Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin, now 90 himself, has eased his own views it appears, the past few years, from being against UFO reality to seeming open to the possibility a good deal more as the sunset of his life nears. In event, he doe snot seem nearly as negative as he always used to seem to in the past very few years.
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That's interesting about Buzz Aldrin - what has he said?
 
As best I can recall, he has mentioned they saw an object, or possibly objects, which were not spent boosters on their flight, and generally seems much-less hostile towards UFOs than when he was younger. I wouldn't say Buzz has become a proponent by any means, but he has moved in that direction as he has grown older, and the end of his life approaches. i hope that he will have some more to say before the end comes, actually; he used to try and "down" sightings by fellow astronauts, but appears to have quietly ceased that now. It's been rumored for many years now that just about every U.S. space flight has had UFO sightings, been approached or paced by unknown objects, and the like. Aldrin's in good health for a fellow of 90, but one shouldn't expect the unreasonable, after all. I expect he could discuss sightings in more detail he had, and hope he will; not very many of the Apollo astronauts are left now.
 
Here's what Aldrin really said.
Col. Aldrin explained, “On Apollo 11 in route to the Moon, I observed a light out the window that appeared to be moving alongside us. There were many explanations of what that could be, other than another spacecraft from another country or another world – it was either the rocket we had separated from, or the 4 panels that moved away when we extracted the lander from the rocket and we were nose to nose with the two spacecraft. So in the close vicinity, moving away, were 4 panels. And I feel absolutely convinced that we were looking at the sun reflected off of one of these panels. Which one? I don't know. So technically, the definition could be ‘unidentified.’”
“It was not an alien,” he added.
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So no, he did not see spent boosters. He saw one of the four shroud panels from the top of the Saturn V third stage. It was only technically a UFO, because he didn't know which one it was.
 
I would say that, rather than every U.S. space flight seeing UFOs, many have seen debris and objects that they can't immediately identify, but these objects are always debris associated with their craft and have nothing whatever to do with aliens. I've debunked many, many such so-called sightings, and I haven't seen one that convinces me yet.
 
Always a denier in the ot, sin't there? You need to state this is your OPINION, my friend, and hardly an established fact. I have seen many photos myself which simply couldn't have been "space junk." Please try make better acquaintance with the truth. We seem closer now than ever to a disclosure regarding UFOs, and simply because this may frighten you, it hardly entitles you to spread misinformation. Something I seriously doubt Fort would have approved of himself.

For what it's worth, let me add I am told that Donald Menzel is largely responsible for helping push Carl "billions and billions" Sagan into the disinformation specialist camp. Since he was a member of MJ-12 in its original incarnation, I would hardly have believed the man if he told me the the Sun was going to set in a few hours....
 
Why not search yourself, eburacum? You claim, it seems, to have all the answers already.

I would, instead, suggest those interested in the general atttitude towards UFOs and or alien artifacts, check out the 1960 Brookings Report. This can be found online easily enough. It raised a strong possibility that any such proof NASA might find, either past or present, be handled very carefully, given the possible effects on society such a discovery might have. I suppose this attitude was more defensible in that era, but is, I think, much less so today. Many younger people seem to accept the existence of aliens visiting us from where-ever, simply as another part of life, really.

I think you have much more of an argument both with evidence you are scared of, and a disagreement with the memories of astronauts such as Scott Carpenter, Gordon Cooper, Edgar Mitchell, and others who should know a hell of a lot more than either of us about how legitimate UFOs sighted in space are. Their opinions carry more than a little weight, I think, even if these gentlemen are no longer on this side of life's veil.

In short, people, research the matter for yourselves don't take some disinformation specialist's word as "the last word," and then, decide for yourselves.
 
The Brookings report was sixty years ago.
Edgar Mitchell never saw a UFO in space or at any other time, and said so repeatedly.
Gordon Cooper never saw a UFO in space, and said so repeatedly, but he did claim to see one when he was in the Air Force. There are no official records to back up Cooper's claim, but we can assume it really happened, because he was a good guy. Probably a typical pilot's error, but who knows. It may even have been aliens, but I doubt it somehow.

Here's Scott Carpenter on the subject.
"In the past, I've not bothered to refute these and other outrageous reports of my belief in, or sightings of, UFOs (Flying Saucers). They are too preposterous to favor with credibility or honor with reply. You however, raise a different and more important issue, that of the young kids who are not yet familiar with the power of logical thinking, who are unsuspectingly led astray by the glamour of the UFO idea, and who tend to believe the nonsense these twisted minds dream up and posit as fact on the Internet. They claim that those who disagree, lie,and challenge us to prove that UFOs don't exist. That's their leg up...proving non-existence is impossible.
So, Mr. Oberg, in order to help set these naive people free of the crazy beliefs they are asked to adopt, feel free to quote me as follows, (and use any adjectives you choose which are roughly synonymous with poppycock): The quote (below) is absolute hogwash and a blatant lie. I never thought it, never said it, and it never happened.
NASA's Scott Carpenter "At no time, when the astronauts were in space were they alone: there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."
I hope the two of us can help set at least some people straight. Really enjoyed perusing your web page.
All best, and Merry Christmas Scott"

And I agree - do your research.
 
In-regard to Mr. Carpenter; he said this also; "At No time, when they were in space, were they alone; there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."

"Above Top Secret," Timothy Good; "Great Mysteries" UFOs" by Robert Jackson, etc. al.

Anyone who would believe someone like Oberg probably doesn't even deserve a reply, to be blunt. In my humble opinion, Oberg is a a notorious liar and should probably be boiled in his own pudding. Then again, he has become such an obvious disinformation agent, I doubt if he has any real influnce any onger.

Edgar Mitchell said he was "90 percent sure that many of the thousands of UFOs recorded since the 1940's, belong to visitors from other planets;"
UFOUpDates 11 October, 1998.

Mitchell is also on record as stating that the Roswell crash was real, and that the truth had, at that time, been hidden for over sixty years by the U.S. Government; radio interview 23 July, 2008, with Nick Margerrison, on Kerang Radio. Many other positive statements on the subject.

Gordon Cooper, in his autobiography Leap of Faith;( 2000, I believe); while Copper does deny his sighting on his Mercury flight, presumably under pressure to do so, he also recounts his 1951 sighting in the former West Germany, as well as being given the classic run-around after a crew he was in charge of at Edwards AFB photographed a UFO landing. When he reported this to the Pentagon, he was instructed to make copies of the photos pf the object his crew at the base had seen, then send them in. Since he was NOT told not to look at-same, he did so, and found his men had filmed exactly what they said they had 3 May, 1957, of a UFO which landed on a dry lake bed. Cooper also repeatedly stated his opinion that the U.S. government was hiding the truth regarding UFOs, and he also testified in 1978 at the UN conference on the subject. In the 2002 documentary Out of the Blue, Cooper again, repeatedly talked of his own UFO sightings, as well as recounted cases from fellow pilots, and such.

I can match you point b y point, but with characters such as yourself, it's a waste of time. As you said, do your research indeed, but DON'T cherry-pick only things which serve your own selfish, and hide-under-the-bed alleged beliefs. Let's have some input from others here, what say?

Cheerio.
 
GhostofFort said:
At No time, when they were in space, were they alone; there was a constant surveillance by UFOs
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Did you read my post? Carpenter specifically denied ever saying that. Anyone who repeats this is repeating a falsehood.
 
Mitchell was only repeating hearsay; he never saw a UFO himself.

Cooper did see a UFO in 1951, but there is no record of it elsewhere, so he does not seem to have reported it. He did not see the UFO at Edwards AFB, but he may possibly have seen the film afterwards though even that is in doubt; incidentally he was not in charge of the film crew by any means.
Here's James Oberg on this story

Only THREE people have ever dug seriously into Cooper's 1957 Edwards story -- me, James McDonald, and Brad Sparks. To the best of my knowledge, EVERY other account of it is based solely on Cooper's say-so.
The three of us independently reached the same conclusion:
1. The sighting by Bittick and Gettys was documented and filed per Blue Book procedure and has always been available in the archives. Cooper made up the disappearance story.
2. The object they reported and filmed drifted by without maneuvering or landing. Cooper made up the landing story.
3. Gordon Cooper had absolutely no connection with the event or report, he wasn't anybody's boss, nobody showed him any film, zilch. He made that up.
Three different people made three separate inquiries and got identical results. Everybody else uses Cooper's version.
It's as bad as that.
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Here are four frames from the film, which is still in the Blue Book archives
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Nothing to see here. You may not believe Oberg, but McDonald has excellent credentials as a UFO proponent.
 
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If anyone is repeating falsehoods,fellow, it's yourself - I think Gordon Cooper's words speak for themselves, as do the other gentlemen. It is v ery easy to deny the efforts of those who have already died, and so must depend on others to do so.

What are you afraid of anyway, eburacum? Of being proven wrong by unfolding events? If so, you're out of luck for that reality of UFOs is becoming more obvious with each passing day. Indeed, it appears that a slow, but deliberate release of data on the reality of UFOs is underway. None are so blind as those who refuse to see, eh?

As I said, in effect, people, ignore this fellow; check into the MATTER FOR YOURSELVES. Maybe a certain a sighting may not have been made in outer space, but this hardly changes the substance of what I have said.

Perhaps this First Law from the UK's own Arthur C. Clarke fits, despite his own (no doubt recruited) efforts to deny UFO's reality; "When a distinguished but elderly scientist says something is possible, he is almost certainly right.. When he says it is impossible, he is very probably wrong."

It's regrettable Clarke himself sometimes forgot this own law of his.

I think says everything I have to say to you, denier. Let us have posts on other matters.
 
You also repeated the lie about Aldrin. I'm sure you mean well, but please check these things first,
 
GhostofFort said:
In-regard to Mr. Carpenter; he said this also; "At No time, when they were in space, were they alone; there was a constant surveillance by UFOs."
"Above Top Secret," Timothy Good; "Great Mysteries" UFOs" by Robert Jackson, etc. al. ...
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Had you bothered to trace this claim back to its original source you'd know how spurious its basis turns out to be.

Good's 1988 citation of the Carpenter quote is footnoted as having been taken from The Mel Noel Story ("Mel Noel" (alias), 1967, Saucerian Publications). This is the only specific source anyone's ever given for the alleged Carpenter quote.

If any subsequent publication citing the Carpenter quote attributed it to any source other than Good's 1988 book or another source derivative from Good's book I haven't seen it.

"Mel Noel" is a pseudonym used by one Noel Brice Cornwall (sometimes cited as Noall Bryce Cornwall). This fellow is also widely known under another pseudonym - Guy Kirkwood.

For a cursory overview of his multiple forays into the UFO community limelight, see:

https://chasingufosblog.com/2020/04/17/mel-noels-phony-flying-saucer-trip-to-the-stars/

Under the name Mel Noel, he surfaced in 1966 to promote an alleged flying saucer excursion plan. His self-authored / self-published 1967 book(-let) served as window dressing for the scheme.

This entire Mel Noel circus was the subject of an exposé in UFO Magazine, researched and authored by the magazine's editor Don Ecker:

'The Mel Noel Story'
UFO Magazine
Volume 7 No. 3 May/June 1992
http://ufoupdateslist.com/1997/aug/m29-017.shtml

Ecker would later cite his 1992 article and the whole Noel / Kirkwood / Cornwall circus in bemoaning the cancerous effect such tomfoolery had, and continues to have, on serious UFO research:

https://www.theparacast.com/forum/threads/more-of-the-same-crap.7779/

Good might be forgiven for being fooled by, and citing, Noel's fictions prior to the publication of Ecker's exposé. However, Noel / Kirkwood was confronted and confessed he'd been peddling falsehoods as fact during a TV appearance in October 1969. Good seems to have missed that key follow-on development.

The whole provenance for the alleged quote denied by Carpenter himself boils down to:

- An allegation embedded within, and part and parcel of, a 1967 mass of sheer bullshit;
- A 1988 rehash of the already dismissible allegation via citing the 1967 work without due diligence; and ...
- The usual Chinese Whispers processes disseminating the rehash on the basis of the 1988 citation alone.
 
People do tend to forget that UFO is not necessarily equal to Space Alien. There are natural and man-made things out there as well, not all of which are easy to recognise.

I remain open to the possibility of there being other sentient beings in the universe. Notwithstanding the Fermi paradox. If they've survived long enough to be capable of interstellar travel I would suspect they are also wise enough to have a non-intervention policy.

If on the other hand they were intent on conquering us I suspect we'd have about the same survival chances as Steller's sea cow did on encountering human UFO's - unidentified floating objects, from the sea cow's point of view. We wiped the lot out in 30 years. It would be that level of technological - and quite possibly physical - difference. After all, we've conquered the sea (which in this analogy is serving as a symbol for space) basically because we have an opposable thumb.

On the other hand we seem not to have gotten very far into space, and now don't look terribly likely to get much further. Possibly we don't have the right adaptation. Or possibly we have not yet developed sufficient wisdom.

Sorry about this rambling - got up at first light because couldn't sleep.
 
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