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My UFO Sightings Over The Years (GhostofFort)

Incidentally I have found the Blue Book report, #4517 1957-05-6790366-EdwardsAFB-California May 2 1957.
https://archive.org/details/1957-05-6790366-EdwardsAFB-California/mode/2up
There are several photocopies of the photographs in this report, none of them show anything larger or more detailed than a match-head.
The names of the witnesses (James Bittick and Jack Gettys) are redacted, and Gordon Cooper's name does not appear.
One interesting point is that there were about 40 photos taken, and the camera they were using only took photos at one second intervals, so this was not really a movie film.

Cooper claimed to have looked at the negatives of these photos, which must have been tiny, and he based all his account of a landing and so on on this viewing. Bittick and Gettys only describe the object as moving overhead - no landing.

I find this page interesting - a track of a balloon launched that morning, compared with the position of the observers.
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Just to reiterate; the witnesses both filled in this form, showing where the object was when they first saw it until when it disappeared; the object starts off in the sky and gets lower and smaller. Apparently it took them about 10 minutes to set up the camera, so it was quite small when they started filming.

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Cooper is not mentioned in the account, and he only mentioned it himself ten years later.
 
I said I had said all I had to say on the astronaut's sightings, people, and meant that, people - - it is so easy to "diss" the dead, isn't it?

Now, Cochise, I DO agree with you to some extent, namely that possibly some other phenomena account for some UFOs. Are you familiar with Trevor Constable's "living UFOs" theories he developed in the 1950's, I believe? I think this notion is quite possibly valid for a small percentage of unknowns, maybe 2% or 3%, just as an off-hand guess. Some film in recent years has seemed to show what could almost be described as "sky jellyfish," minus the tentacles. Constable had a slightly-different way of attempting to photograph them, but would be v ery interested in this type of footage as well, I am sure. I'm certainly open to this idea, as well as some others, perhaps some UFOs even having an extra-dimensional origin. See his book Sky Creatures: Living UFOs; a 1978 U.S. paperback edition from 1978 can be found reasonably-priced, with some diligence.

On the so-called Fermi paradox, well, the good doctor there seems to have had a similar notion to that expressed by SETI scientist Frank Drake, namely, "they can't get here from there, so why bother to look into the subject?" Evidently, Drake feels, or pretends to, anyway, that stable wormholes and such are not possible. It's fortunate this attitude wasn't all-encompassing, or we would never have reached where we are today in so many fields...

That said, those who continue to deny that there is increasing evidence of many UFOs being alien spacecraft are, to try and be polite, being willfully ignorant. In the case of the SETI people, I can understand somewhat about the embarrassment factor of their searching for alien signals while aliens are all around the world with them blissfully refusing to investigate them. For others, it's more difficult (aside from the professional disinformation agent, or specialist, that is), to understand save perhaps some deep-seated psychological need "not to believe," to offer a suggestion.
 
So, do you finally acknowledge that you repeated untruths about the still living Aldrin and the late Scott Carpenter?
 
You seem to misunderstand Enrico Fermi's paradox, as well. The question he raised was not 'they can't get here from there, so why bother to look into the subject', but rather 'if they exist, why aren't they here? They should have arrived millions of years ago, and they should be us.' In other words, we would know that they are here, because we would be living among them. If an interstellar civilisation arrived here millions, or billions of years ago, they should have built their cities and infrastructure all over our planet, and over every other world in the system. Instead- nothing.

Sure, there are many explanations for the Fermi Paradox - in fact I collect them. Of course one of the possible answers is that the aliens are, in fact, here, and they are in hiding- and that they are responsible for UFOs etcetera.

You may not believe it, but I am perfectly willing to accept this possibility. But I cannot stress strongly enough - we must strive to eliminate all the false positives first before accepting this answer as the correct one.
 
WWARNING ISSUED: Unacceptable rude & inflammatory ad hominem comments directed at another member.
I understand the Fermi paradox perfectly well; in effect, he tried to claim all civilizations which might be capable of interstellar travel must have destroyed themselves beforehand - he undoubtedly shared the same "van't there from here" stupidity, moron, as Frank Drake, which was what I was trying to point out.
Science fictionists like the happily(although I doubt the "happily"part_)deceased Isaac Asimov often tried to use it to attack ufology, especially after he became well-known enough to influence the public.

Please do not post anything else to me, as I will ignore ALL from you in the future, and may I add, jump in the ocean the first chance you get? People like yourselves shame the memory of Charles Fort with your false pretense of being a seeker of truths denied b y "official science." You seem something of a fool to me, frankly.

Cheerio, and happy tea.
 
Frank Drake never said anything about the possibility of interstellar travel - it would have been better if he had, since an expansive interstellar civilisation could seed many other worlds with life and increase the population of the galaxy significantly.
 
So, you're back then? Last time we "communicated" (22nd April) you said...
so long, dis-informants. I suppose it's a good thing Charles Fort isn't here to see his name purloined as you have done.

Forget any further comments. Have said all I intend to.
Don't get me wrong, you are free to continue to discuss things with us in your own unique manner, but I will once more point out that:
a) you don't need to announce your departure every time you log off (we're quite informal here)
b) we far prefer discussions sans ad hominem - play the ball, not the man
c) the invitation I extended previously - to discuss the nature or Forteanism, and your contention that neither the CFI nor this forum represents it - with Gordon and me stands. I feel you may have a somewhat individual take on the matter and an exchange of views may benefit our wider interactions.
 
This might be the thread to relate a recent experience of mine and see of any of you UFO/plane experts can shed any light on what I saw.

My new job (when I'm not furloughed) is in Warwickshire, and so I found myself over winter driving into that county from Birmingham and back again after my shift. Driving in the countryside, and even the unlit parts of the motorway, I enjoyed glancing up at the night sky because I was always catching fleeting glimpses of odd things. Pretty soon I came to know where the moon and all the bright stars were, and recognised passenger jets, on their way to or from Birmingham, presumably.

This one night, I think it was early evening, but dark, I was heading home through the Warwickshire countryside towards the motorway when I saw the most fantastic star, near the horizon, north of where I was. It was an extraordinarily bright white light and was shaped like a diamond on a pack of cards.

I knew this was no star though because one had never appeared there before. So I kept glancing at it, as often as it was safe to do so, driving on a dark and winding country road.

Much to my excitement as the "star" got bigger, I presumed because it was heading my way, I saw that there were actually three lights, not one, forming a triangle.

I lost sight of it once or twice, but at some point the craft was above and in front of me. Not forgetting that I was now travelling on different A roads turning at different angles, and so direction was not easy to judge, the plane appeared to me to be banking left, taking a long, wide slow curve to head back pretty much in the same direction I had seen it come from.

I can only give an impression, but it seemed to me to be an enormous, low-flying, slow-moving triangular craft. I couldn't help but note the classic UFO trianglular shape made by the three bright lights, but although I'm desperate to see a UFO, something told me that this was an aeroplane, although it was definitely not a passenger jet. I felt it was some kind of huge, lumbering military aircraft. It really was quite a spectacular sight.

I could kick myself for not having written down the details when I got home. I can't remember if, when it was flying closer to me, I saw more lights. I only remember the three; one on the nose tip, one either side on the wing tips. It's possible there were other lights though.

I do recall though that I saw no outline of the craft at all. I don't know if it was a stealth shaped craft, or if it had wings. The plane itself was as dark as the night sky.

It headed in the direction of Birmingham, or at least it was heading in the same northerly direction as I was. It got far ahead of me and eventually was out of sight.

The whole sighting lasted for several minutes. It might have been as many as ten, but thinking about where I was when I first clocked the craft, to being on the mororway where eventually I lost sight of it, it was probably less than that.

Any ideas what I saw?

I think I may have found the aircraft I spotted!

It might have been the c 17 Globemaster. It has the same heavy energy of the thing I watched and the following clip on YouTube is of it flying at night - with three bright white lights (front light split into two which might account for the "star shape" I originally saw) and one red underneath.

 
This is not my story it is my sons. He was 23 when this happened. He was travelling from Manchester to Cambridge on the train in a pretty packed carriage. The train started to go round a huge bend, slowly, because the track was curved around what looked like a farm with various outbuildings and a barn. As the train went round the bend, which took about five minutes in total, my son saw a large, silver or white, long tic tac shaped ‘thing’ hovering above the barn. It was absolutely enormous and was the length of the barn but in the sky. My son said he noticed it, watched it, tried to work our what it was and all the while the train is continuing around the bend and heading for a huge copse of trees (which would ultimately obscure the farm and barn and thing from view). As my son glanced round to see if anyone else had noticed this object he was reassured and dismayed to see the whole carriage looking as well. Then, with a huge amount of noise, two jets came thundering over the train from behind and towards the object, zooming in a pair towards it, just as the train disappeared into the copse and to this day my son has no idea what he saw. But he is convinced that it was a ufo. Once they had gone into the copse the carriage of people started speculating about what they had seen and they were all convinced it was a ufo being approached by two jets.
 
This is not my story it is my sons. He was 23 when this happened. He was travelling from Manchester to Cambridge on the train in a pretty packed carriage. The train started to go round a huge bend, slowly, because the track was curved around what looked like a farm with various outbuildings and a barn. As the train went round the bend, which took about five minutes in total, my son saw a large, silver or white, long tic tac shaped ‘thing’ hovering above the barn. It was absolutely enormous and was the length of the barn but in the sky. My son said he noticed it, watched it, tried to work our what it was and all the while the train is continuing around the bend and heading for a huge copse of trees (which would ultimately obscure the farm and barn and thing from view). As my son glanced round to see if anyone else had noticed this object he was reassured and dismayed to see the whole carriage looking as well. Then, with a huge amount of noise, two jets came thundering over the train from behind and towards the object, zooming in a pair towards it, just as the train disappeared into the copse and to this day my son has no idea what he saw. But he is convinced that it was a ufo. Once they had gone into the copse the carriage of people started speculating about what they had seen and they were all convinced it was a ufo being approached by two jets.
Thanks, fascinating account. Any idea of the year this happened...?
 
I think I may have found the aircraft I spotted!

It might have been the c 17 Globemaster. It has the same heavy energy of the thing I watched and the following clip on YouTube is of it flying at night - with three bright white lights (front light split into two which might account for the "star shape" I originally saw) and one red underneath.

That has to be responsible for at least a few triangle UFO reports, especially given the number of bases they operate from in the UK
 
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