GNC
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Does 1 in 8 include pescetarians?
No, I think the "around a quarter cutting back dramatically" does, though.
Does 1 in 8 include pescetarians?
Does 1 in 8 include pescetarians?
I just don't believe that, country-wide. Where did they get their data?Read in the paper today that 1 in 8 Britons are vegetarian or vegan, with about a quarter almost cutting out meat entirely, and more than that cutting down significantly. It's the future! It's also annoying when you can't find the veggie ready meals because meat eaters have snapped them up for variety in their diet.
I just don't believe that, country-wide. Where did they get their data?
So, it's a sample of middle class waitrose shoppers...?One of them surveys you're always seeing in the news. Waitrose commissioned it. Here's the Guardian version (I read it in The Herald):
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...r-reduced-meat-eating-vegan-vegetarian-report
I got it wrong, it's more than a quarter now, it's a third.
Chesil Beach is your friend, but I expect you know that!
Read in the paper today that 1 in 8 Britons are vegetarian or vegan...
GNC said:It’s the future!
Read in the paper today that 1 in 8 Britons are vegetarian or vegan, with about a quarter almost cutting out meat entirely, and more than that cutting down significantly. It's the future! It's also annoying when you can't find the veggie ready meals because meat eaters have snapped them up for variety in their diet.
I hope not.
That would be like saying you're a non-smoker, except for the pipe and cigars.
Vegetarians don't eat animals and a fish sure as hell isn't a vegetable.
There are stonking mullet in the harbour. I've seen shoals of over 100 fish and many I'd put at over 5lb.Chesil beach is my 'frenemy' - by the time I make it over the bank, with sticks and husband/fishing bro to stop me going A over T (swearing), I then have to try and tackle up in the wind (more swearing), and try to cast without lobbing myself into the surf (even more sweariness) manage to get at least 10 metres out and fish all day for nowt except the odd gurnard taking the piss (swear more, pack up, fall over and go home)
I mostly stick to the Stone Pier these days, a free run for the wheelchair and some surprising catches. I once got a gannet....seriously.
But I love it really
Has no-one asked you if you only eat chicken then?The last time I consumed land-based meat was about fifteen years ago now (a Zinger Tower Burger on New Year's Eve, as you ask). Since then it has been fish and seafood only, but you'd be stunned how many people cannot immediately grasp the non-existent intricacies of this.
"So, you're kind of vegetarian, then?"
No. I'm not.
"Do you, like, love animals?"
Err... Some of them, but this isn't really about them--it's about me.
"That must be really difficult."
Only if you're an idiot.
"Does that mean you're a vegan?"
Please stop talking to me.
[My favourite]: "What happens if you eat meat by accident?"
I explode.
Has no-one asked you if you only eat chicken then?
Heh.A) Only aquatic ones.
The last time I consumed land-based meat was about fifteen years ago now (a Zinger Tower Burger on New Year's Eve, as you ask). Since then it has been fish and seafood only, but you'd be stunned how many people cannot immediately grasp the non-existent intricacies of this.
"So, you're kind of vegetarian, then?"
No. I'm not.
"Do you, like, love animals?"
Err... Some of them, but this isn't really about them--it's about me.
"That must be really difficult."
Only if you're an idiot.
"Does that mean you're a vegan?"
Please stop talking to me.
[My favourite]: "What happens if you eat meat by accident?"
I explode.
A) Only aquatic ones.
My ambition for humankind is to conquer the galaxy, but I don't think there will be much meat-eating going on out there. Or rather, we may have as much meat as we want, but it won't come from animals. Vat-grown, printed meat will be easier to take with us to non-terrestrial environments than the land-hungry, polluting and wasteful system of livestock production.
I also expect that, by the time we are ready to create colonies outside the Earth (or soon afterwards), there will be genetically-modified plants that produce all the essential vitamins, amino acids and other dietary requirements that humans need. Mind you, the first examples of this sort of crop might taste horrible, but hopefully that will change.
Only on very Earth-like terraformed planets and on megastructures with similar amounts of land surface will there be enough room to carry out livestock production. People won't miss it.
There was a 'food futurist' on Jon Richardson's program the other day saying that we should all be eating insects. Insect meat would be relatively easy to translate to an space environment. Interesting too, if the little buggers escape.But... we too are livestock being shipped to the stars in this scenario. There are probably plenty of sources of manageable animal protein we could trans-ship. Hamsters for example. Or battery chooks.
There used to be more back in the 70s and 80s.There are stonking mullet in the harbour.
I'm assuming that plants of these kind can be grown hydroponically or aeroponically, in artificially lit growth spaces; to raise livestock, you'd still need to grow their food plants in a similar way. Some sources of animal protein, like insects or some kinds of fish, would thrive by eating organic rubbish, so that would be a reasonable use of space and energy. Maybe a particularly omnivorous space pig would be a good idea in certain circumstances.If genetically modified plants are on the menu, then why not genetically modified animals better suited to the conditions?
My ambition for humankind is to conquer the galaxy, but I don't think there will be much meat-eating going on out there. Or rather, we may have as much meat as we want, but it won't come from animals. Vat-grown, printed meat will be easier to take with us to non-terrestrial environments than the land-hungry, polluting and wasteful system of livestock production.
I also expect that, by the time we are ready to create colonies outside the Earth (or soon afterwards), there will be genetically-modified plants that produce all the essential vitamins, amino acids and other dietary requirements that humans need. Mind you, the first examples of this sort of crop might taste horrible, but hopefully that will change.
Only on very Earth-like terraformed planets and on megastructures with similar amounts of land surface will there be enough room to carry out livestock production. People won't miss it.
...which is why they are dying out.This has happened to the Panda as a result of natural evolution- they evolved from meat-eating bear/dog-like species.
The sentience we possess is by and large linked to the size of our brains and the complexity of them. The idea that a woodlouse brain is complex enough to register anything other than basic responses is flawed, it's unlikely, strike that, impossible for it to be able to support the complexity of self awareness or sentience. Same for a mouse.Ultimately, I think a more encompassing goal for mind-kind will be the achievement of sentience for all species, so that mice and men (and woodlice) are capable of comparable degrees of conscious thought. But very few of these sentient entities will resemble humans in outlook. This would no doubt lead to some interesting differences of opinion.
Nope. There simply isn't the raw material to play about with. You're suggesting the biological equivalent of re-configuring a ZX81 and expecting to get a "quad core pentium". It really can't be done.Mice are vastly more complex than woodlice, and they have much more complex mentalities. The actual size of a mammal's brain may not be directly related to its degree of consciousness, and it could be possible to augment a mouse brain until it reaches the same level of intelligence as a corvid bird (which has a brain roughly the same size, but exhibits profound ingenuity and complex, playful behaviour).