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That might explain why his children look nothing like him.
 
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Michael Jackson fans win one euro for emotional damage
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26141075

Fans grieve outside the rented Holmby Hills home of music legend Michael Jackson after his recent death, in Los Angeles on 29 June 2009.

Many Michael Jackson fans were left devastated by the singer's sudden death in 2009

Five Michael Jackson fans have been awarded one euro each by a French court for the "emotional damage" they suffered after the pop star's death.

The case saw 34 fans sue Jackson's doctor, who was jailed in 2011 for the involuntary manslaughter of the singer.

The court in Orleans ruled five fans had proven emotional suffering.

Conrad Murray served two years of a four-year term for administering a lethal dose of an anaesthetic drug to Jackson and was released in October.

Last month a US court rejected a bid by Murray to have his conviction for involuntary manslaughter overturned.

Symbolic damages
The five claimants - two from France, two from Switzerland and one from Belgium - were all members of the French-based Michael Jackson Community fan club.

Their lawyer said they had proven their suffering "with the help of witness statements and medical certificates."

"As far as I know this is the first time in the world that the notion of emotional damage in connection with a pop star has been recognised," Emmanuel Ludot told the AFP news agency.

"They have been subjected to ridicule and I am delighted their suffering has been taken seriously by the law."

The damages were symbolic, he added, and the claimants would not be seeking to claim the one euro each from Conrad Murray.

The five fans say they hope the ruling will help them gain access to Michael Jackson's grave in Los Angeles, which is closed to the public.

Michael Jackson died on 25 June 2009 from an overdose of the powerful anaesthetic propofol.

He had been out of the public eye for several years but was preparing for a series of comeback performances at the O2 arena in London.
 

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ramonmercado said:
"As far as I know this is the first time in the world that the notion of emotional damage in connection with a pop star has been recognised," Emmanuel Ludot told the AFP news agency.

"They have been subjected to ridicule and I am delighted their suffering has been taken seriously by the law."
Yeah, one euro. No pisstaking there at all.
 

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Billie Jean royalty payments for widow of violinist
The widow of a British violinist is to receive UK royalty payments for his part on Michael Jackson's Billie Jean for the first time in three decades.
Reginald Hill played on the string section for the track's recording sessions in Los Angeles in 1982
I'm quite surprised at this as a string section will just be playing a chart written out by an arranger (Quincy Jones in this case?) and I assumed they only received a one off session fee.

I thought it was only when a session player made a significant creative contribution to a recording themselves that they can claim royalities. (For example Clare Torry successfully claimed substantial royalties for her improvised vocal line on the Floyd's Great Gig in the Sky.)
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It's great though isn't it! The royalties have gone to his widow. Pity he didn't live to see the money.
 

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One collection of pictures, Taorimina by 19th century German photographer Wilhelm Von Gloeden, is described in court papers as showing: “Nude photos of teenage boys from the late 1800s.”

Sounds positively hardcore.
 

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One collection of pictures, Taorimina by 19th century German photographer Wilhelm Von Gloeden, is described in court papers as showing: “Nude photos of teenage boys from the late 1800s.”

Sounds positively hardcore.
It is thought in some circles that Freud's theories of the Oedipus and Electra complexes were describing sexual abuse of minors at a time when he simply couldn't allow himself to believe that middle class Austrians would ever do such a thing.
 

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Thanks but no thanks - pseudo-academic nonsense with little basis in history.
Interesting, mind you.
It'll only ever be speculation at this stage, but it's not completely dismissed either. If we're being frank, then most of Freud's developmental stuff is discredited anyway. He has a place at the head of the profession as a pioneer, but not much else is taken seriously. However the idea that adults are abusing children, rather than children are seducing adults is a very uncomfortable thought and one might argue, as Rush did, that this is simply fitting the theory to the facts in a socially acceptable way.

I find it perfectly reasonable as a theory and going as it does against an accepted pillar of the profession (and therefore a sacred cow) and the sexual inequality of that time (and some might say this time as well), it would inevitably attract considerable aggression.

Pseudo-academic nonsense - it's social psychology, or I'd argue critical social psychology and this often looks like pseudo science (and to my mind some of it is), but it's a valuable tool - the freedom to ask "What if...?" and debate with an open mind.
 

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Billie Jean royalty payments for widow of violinist

I'm quite surprised at this as a string section will just be playing a chart written out by an arranger (Quincy Jones in this case?) and I assumed they only received a one off session fee.

I thought it was only when a session player made a significant creative contribution to a recording themselves that they can claim royalities. (For example Clare Torry successfully claimed substantial royalties for her improvised vocal line on the Floyd's Great Gig in the Sky.)
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There seems to be a recent trend of suing for copyright violations as a way to grab a share of the royalties, even years after the fact and even when the evidence is thin.

The Led Zeppelin plagiarism trial happening now is just the latest example (not that the Zep doesn't have a little history of lifting tunes but... Suing more than 40 years later? Please. :rolleyes:)

Last couple of years around here lawyers have been showing up at any place with music (live or recorded) and threatening to sue for royalties. Every coffee shop in town has been visited by these goon squads. Anyone with satellite radio at their business. Crazy.
Anyway, sorry for the OT, but there seems to be a. big money grab going on, so expect to see more of this kind of thing.

Re: Michael Jackson - I was watching The Wiz the other night (one of my favorite childhood films) and couldn't help thinking now how poignant it is - he was such a talented young man before that Thriller level of fame seemed to drive him bonkers.
 

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One collection of pictures, Taorimina by 19th century German photographer Wilhelm Von Gloeden, is described in court papers as showing: “Nude photos of teenage boys from the late 1800s.”

Sounds positively hardcore.
AFAIK, such photos were relatively common in the early days of photography - because it was a relatively common sight. Before Victorian prudishness really took off, many people bathed nude (there being no bathing costumes for the working classes).
 

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Wasn't there an outrage-crazed (with both eyes on advancing his career) politician in the US who tried to get Paul Reubens jailed for possession of child pornography because the star had a collection of "health and efficiency" magazines of vintage provenance?
 

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Wasn't there an outrage-crazed (with both eyes on advancing his career) politician in the US who tried to get Paul Reubens jailed for possession of child pornography because the star had a collection of "health and efficiency" magazines of vintage provenance?
I hadn't realised an ambitious politician was involved. I've always wondered about that case. Even Reubens' most famous character looked like a pedo, and he was in kids' films. But Reubens was pretty good as the Penguin's father, twice.
 

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I thought Reubens was busted for a perfectly sad-fellow crime of exhibitionism/indecent exposure--masturbating while enjoying porn films at a theater in a wide open dingy raincoat.
 

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I think that happened too. I thought that was what you were supposed to do while watching porn.
 

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All hideously Gothic. Trying the monster posthumously for affronts to good taste and having a secret passage behind his jukebox should be the fun event of the season.

Despite the repeated assertions that vile material was discovered, the single page of police report pictured describes material which sounds "artistic" as they used to say. Would they have bothered cataloguing this stuff, if there were much worse horrors?

I'm unconvinced that Jackson needed much in the pornographic line. His wealth and persona seemed to attract families who were content to supply their sons for sleepover duty and have their mouths stuffed with money afterwards.

The Smoking Gun still seems the most detailed account. If we need detail! :eek:
 

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I think that happened too. I thought that was what you were supposed to do while watching porn.
I think he's always maintained that while he was there, he wasn't masturbating, he was stitched up. Mind you, if you're a popular children's entertainer it's highly questionable whether you should visit porn cinemas at all.
 

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Exactly, when was the last time you bumped into Tinky-Winky at the Spank-o-rama?
Well, it's difficult to say whether it was the real Tinky-Winky. Some people like to dress up. I can only vouch for the veracity of the 'Winky'.:oops:
 

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I feel an attack of Derek and Clive coming on - definitely NSFW - very sweary

 
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