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Was God A Future American Spaceship?

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This is the title of a novel written by Ronald A. Pokatiloff, as discussed on this blog talking about the 1977 Official UFO Special: Ancient Astronauts magazine.
https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/...aut-material-from-ancient-astronauts-magazine
I will thank Terry again for supplying the name of the author of the article I discussed on Friday about Jesus as American time traveler: Ronald A. Pokatiloff, who eventually published a freestanding work, Was God a Future American Spaceship (1977), on the subject. In a follow-up article to his time traveling American Jesus in November 1977’s edition of Ancient Astronauts, Pokatiloff expanded on his reasoning for why he concluded Jesus was an American. It beggars belief, quite frankly.

According to Pokatiloff, he arrived at this conclusion by process of elimination—always the best way to prove a theory. He argues that we know space travelers could not have come from this solar system because no other planet could support advanced life, and they could not have come from beyond our solar system for two reasons, one of which we must give him credit for recognizing. The first reason is distance (obviously), but the second is intriguing: He recognizes that ancient astronaut theorists like Erich von Däniken and Zecharia Sitchin were proposing a “low level of technology” for the spaceships: Apollo-style rockets. He rightly concludes that rockets and propellers would make for terrible interstellar vehicles. But rather than conclude that the ancient astronaut authors were projecting their own fantasies onto ancient texts, he decides that this must mean that the technology was actual American rocketry.

To wit, he argues that there is a second, parallel earth abutting our own, whose denizens are in a timeline about 4,000 years in advance of ours and which must be nearly identical to our own or else the aliens could not have interbred and interacted with us. Since this world must be virtually identical, he leaps to the conclusion—unwarranted—that this world has a United States of America, that this America is, like here, the richest and most powerful country, and is identical to our own future. Consequently, the fact that Josef Blumrich wrote The Spaceships of Ezekiel (1974) identifying the vision of God’s chariot-throne in the Book of Ezekiel as a spaceship is pregnant with meaning because Blumrich was an NASA engineer: “it took a NASA engineer to properly interpret” the text. Therefore, the design must be one of NASA’s future plans!

Pokatiloff does not explain the impact on his theory of the fact that Blumrich only developed his bizarre interpretation of Ezekiel because the convicted Swiss embezzler Erich von Däniken suggested it in Chariots of the Gods, as Blumrich himself admitted.
And this is the original article that the blog was referring to:
https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/a-bizarre-1977-article-on-jesus-the-ancient-astronaut
It starts off soberly enough (by ancient astronaut standards) by mining the New Testament for evidence that Jesus was an astronaut. Matthew 28:2-3 the author explains as a human in a white spacesuit descending from a spaceship using a rocket pack: “And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow.” The angel-astronaut seemed bright because, the author says, he had a search light attached to his helmet. The Resurrection, the author says, was performed on Jesus by astronauts to impress the Hebrews.

OK, so far this is just standard ancient astronaut nonsense, albeit applied to Jesus rather than, say, Gilgamesh. But it gets better! In order to set up the climax, I need to introduce two pieces of evidence for consideration. First, former NASA employee Josef F. Blumrich identified the conveyance of God in the Book of Ezekiel as a spacecraft in his 1974 book The Spaceships of Ezekiel, and the resulting design from his “reconstruction” of the spacecraft bore a passing resemblance to the basic design of the Apollo-era Lunar Excursion Modules, known as LEMs.
Secondly, in 1968, the Rod Serling-penned Planet of the Apes move proposed that American astronauts, through the magic of physics, could travel through time and end up mixed up in archaeological mysteries, albeit those of the future.

With that in mind, let’s proceed to Ancient Astronauts magazine’s conclusions about Jesus:

From evidence in the Old Testament we are aware that astronauts came here from a future earth and disguised themselves and their spaceships as a deity. So the Kingdom of God is the kingdom of the spacemen. Since the astronauts’ space vehicle resembles the American LEM and was identified by a NASA engineer, the reader should have no trouble deducing what the Kingdom of God is. It is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERCIA!! Yes! American spaceships landed on earth 4000 years ago!

And Jesus and the angels were American astronauts! After all, didn’t Jesus say He would return to this planet? As a U.S. spaceman, he would indeed come back.

And there you have it! Jesus was American, and America is God’s own Kingdom! It’s almost the perfect synthesis of American fringe history’s obsessions all at the same time. It explains UFOs, glorifies America, and grants a supposedly scientific reason to continue venerating Jesus. It is an Apollo-era cousin to the claim that secret Templar land claims mark America as godly country, and a space age update to the Book of Mormon placing Jesus in America to give divine sanction to Euro-American possession of the land.
 
This is the title of a novel written by Ronald A. Pokatiloff, as discussed on this blog talking about the 1977 Official UFO Special: Ancient Astronauts magazine.
https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/...aut-material-from-ancient-astronauts-magazine

And this is the original article that the blog was referring to:
https://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/a-bizarre-1977-article-on-jesus-the-ancient-astronaut
Blumrich had no idea back in 1974 that he had drawn a 21st Century drone: four equidistant propellers and a central control body (see illustration within the link)

So perhaps an unmanned, self-replicating interstellar probe with super-advanced AI sending down drones to make contact. No need for time travel or faster than light travel.
 
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The fascinating concept of a far-off future highly-developed humanity travelling back in time to act as our own Creator is also considered and proposed by Christopher Knight (and Alan Butler) in "Who Built The Moon?"

I do recommend the book as a really thought-provoking set of ideas, that should not be ignored just because of their radical nature.

Knight arrives at this proposition from a reductive consideration of all the (in-context) alternative possibilities, including a resounding rejection of the Fermi Paradox.

For Knight & Butler, Intelligent Design is a reality, on a solar system cosmological level: but for them, their 'UCA' (Unknown Creative Agency) is neither an external creator God, nor aliens acting as gods (and being interpreted as such by our ancient ancestors).

Their residual god-like creators are a transhuman transcendent Us, back from a far-off Möbius-linked future, creating and catalysing the far-past biological and planetary origins of us all (and this is being claimed earnestly, with the good-old Anthropic Principle tied& gagged in the corner).

It's worth reading: I would very much like to discuss it with other forum members who have already read the book.
 
In fiction, the Xeelee Sequence by Stephen Baxter makes extensive use of time travel and reverse causality. Travel into the absolute past is a theoretical consequence of faster-than-light travel, so once a species attains FLT then they can go back and potentially change history. Humanity wages war against the Xeelee, and this conflict includes numerous acts of time travel and reverse causality; indeed the Xeelee travel back almost to the beginning of time to change history in their favour. Humanity ultimately loses, and so, eventually, do the Xeelee, for different reasons.

That's the problem I have with reverse time-travel as an explanation for events. If any entity in the future (whether human, alien, or a synthesis of the two) travels back in time to alter history, then that would create a new timeline. But the old timeline could continue to exist anyway, as an alternate universe. And of course the future entities could go back and change history again, an arbitrary number of times. History becomes a spaghetti-like mass of alternate realities and causes, and events become as ephemeral as butterflies.
 
Excellent points Eburacum, and why I find time travel stories, the practicalities and possibilities absolutely fascinating...
...yes if it were practical, then you could only “ change” events in what would be a new timeline/ alternative reality, and not in your original one, and again that original one would carry on existing but without you in it and therefore, wouldn’t continue to be your “ original” one either, so, even you returned to it- and especially so after being absent from it for any period it would have changed from what you left...

Maybe time travel is a one way journey, you can never return to where you absolutely came from- as soon as you do, the “multiverse rule” will kick in....could be why we haven’t ( as far as we can tell, of course...) been visited by future TT’s...?
 
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