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Italian statue weeps blood
Wednesday, 6 March, 2002, 18:59 GMT

Thousands of believers have flocked to the Sicilian city of Messina after a statue of the revered Padre Pio began shedding tears some think are blood.

A passer-by noticed that the statue seemed to be crying late on Tuesday night. He called a local priest who was unable to wipe away the red substance leaking from the eyes of the statue in the centre of the city, according to the Italian news agency Ansa.


More at the link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1858000/1858430.stm
 
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Parishioners in fear as drug addicts smear blood on church statues

By John Breslin

THE funeral of a 13-year-old overdose victim will be held this weekend in a church where drug addicts smear blood on statues and shoot up in confession boxes.

The statues were smeared with blood on a number of occasions in the last fortnight, leading some parishioners to believe they were bleeding, Fr John Hughes said.

Fr Hughes, parish priest of St Catherine’s in Meath Street, Dublin, said he has noticed an upsurge in the numbers of heroin addicts openly shooting up in the area.

He is preparing for the funeral service of a 13-year-old girl who died this week of a suspected drugs overdose.





The girl, who lived in Crumlin but whose late father is from the Meath Street area, will be buried this weekend.

That’s the kind of thing that is going on. I know people who have buried three of four children.

Drugs have decimated this community,” Fr Hughes said.

He said addicts regularly use the church to inject and congregate in the alcoves and confessionals.

Fr Hughes said he was reluctant to condemn the addicts, believing those who smeared the statues were out of their mind and in some way may have been making a spiritual statement. However, he said his parishioners were deeply upset at what they saw as sacrilege.

He said the addicts who used St Catherine’s deserved pity. “I have immense compassion for the individuals but get terribly annoyed at the culture that is so tolerant of drugs. It’s not my place to start pontificating especially if you sit with families who have lost their kids.”

He said the socially acceptable drug of choice, alcohol, was a much bigger issue. “It decimates far more stealthily and invades more homes.”

Fr Hughes said that when he comes across addicts in the church, there’s little opportunity to speak with them.

“We just try and ease them out because they are usually out of their minds.”

He said many parishioners were frightened after seeing the blood smeared on the statues. “People were saying the statues were bleeding and that leads us into all kinds of territories.”
 
The heroin problem is seriously bad in that area of Dublin. The dealers periodically move around to different areas with the result that the addicts follow them and then seek somewhere to shoot up. The sad thing is that there are loads of decent people in that area too, it is one of the oldest working class areas of Dublin. It will probably result in the church being locked up when not in use for religious services, thus the community loses another resource.
 
Devout flock to weeping Virgin icon

St. Laurent building manager discovers portrait of Mary that sheds drops of oil

ANN CARROLL
The Gazette

Saturday, February 28, 2004


Forget about going to see The Passion of the Christ. A Virgin Mary who cries tears of oil is on display at an apartment complex in St. Laurent.

The icon-like portrait of Mary, discovered in the refuse by apartment manager Abderezak Mehdi, has been drawing a steady stream of believers since the oil drops were first noticed about 10 days ago.

"It's a miracle, and many people have seen it," Mehdi said yesterday as he allowed the devout, drawn by word of mouth, into his ground-floor apartment.

Many leave convinced the portrait is the real goods.

"I went and saw it with my own eyes," said Michel Saydé, a minister with the Greek Melkite Catholic church.

"It was extraordinary the way the image on the wood dripped oil."

The small portrait and another, of Christ, sit on a glass shelf surrounded by candles and flowers.

Shallow white dishes placed under the portraits hold a small amount of yellow liquid that Mehdi says is like pure olive oil.

Mehdi hands out cotton swabs dipped in the oil as mementos.

"We don't accept donations," he insisted.

One sobbing woman, who knelt and prayed yesterday before the improvised shrine, begged Mehdi for a blessing.

"I'm not a priest," he protested, before dipping his fingers in the oil and anointing the woman's forehead.

"There can be miracles, but you have to believe in yourself."

Mehdi, a Muslim, says he can't explain why Mary's picture would start leaking oil for him. (The tears stop when someone else handles the portrait.)

"I ask myself, 'Why me?' " he said. "There are many more beautiful icons than this in churches."

Catholics should also wonder why before rushing to visit the shrine, said Michel Parent, chancellor of the Roman Catholic diocese of Montreal.

"It happens periodically that someone reports a statue or icon that cries, and it attracts people who are looking for some sign (from God)," he noted.

"While it is true that nothing is impossible for God, historically, that is not how God acts."

There have been some documented sightings of Mary, Parent said, citing apparitions in Lourdes, France, in 1858 and in Fatima, Portugal, in 1917.

But the mysterious portrait in Mehdi's apartment has yet to be authenticated, he said.

Mehdi's find, in fact, is becoming something of a curse as crowds gather at his door at all hours, begging to be let in.

The building owners and police have been broad-minded about his unauthorized shrine, Mehdi said.

But he has had to restrict visits "by appointment only" to keep the building lobby clear and give himself time to get his work done.

Mehdi said he wants to donate Mary's picture to Saydé, even if that dries up the tears.

In the meantime, he opens the door to the Zapantas, who are looking for a cure for their ailing daughter.

The Filipino couple, who live in Côte St. Luc, carried their daughter into Mehdi's apartment, and prayed before the portrait.

"The doctors said they can't do anything, so we are hoping for a miracle," Jhun Zapanta said.

"If it doesn't work this time, we'll come back."

http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/story.asp?id=2FEAC82A-5EBC-45DF-83C9-96CADD465494
 
To believers, statue sheds tears of woe

By Christine McConville, Globe Staff, 3/4/2004

As Catholics brace themselves for what's sure to be a painful series of parish closings, there's talk of a miracle at Sacred Heart Church in Medford: people are flocking to a statue of the Virgin Mary they say is shedding tears.

Two weeks ago, a delivery man told a rectory worker that the life-sized statue outside the red-brick church near Tufts University was weeping. By yesterday at noon, the devout and the curious were arriving at the statue every few minutes.

"I think she's crying because this church may close," said Stephanie Pucillo of Medford, who visited the statue yesterday during her lunch break after her mother told her about it. "Is it real? I don't know. But the timing is ironic, with everything that's going on."

Last month, Archbishop Sean P. O'Malley informed all the 357 parishes that due to dwindling Mass attendance, a shortage of priests, and financial constraints, some churches would be forced to close by the end of the year. He instructed priests and parish officials to meet and identify which parishes ought to be slated for closing.

The five Catholic parishes in Medford have decided that if one of them must close, it should be St. James Parish, and if two churches must close, then Sacred Heart Church has been recommended, according to Sacred Heart's church bulletin.

The Rev. Christopher J. Coyne, the archdiocesan spokesman, was on vacation and unavailable for comment.

But Sacred Heart's pastor, the Rev. Robert Doherty, said: "The statute is not weeping. It's just an outdoor statute."

He said that streams of water have been rolling down the statue's face from one or both eyes. Doherty said that given all the troubles that the Catholic churches has faced lately, from the sex-abuse scandal to the proposed church closings, it makes sense that devout Catholics believe the statue is weeping. "I think the Blessed Mother is crying, but I don't think the statue is," he said.

Doherty said the statue has been in front of the church for years, and until recently, it was entirely white. About two years ago, a parishioner added blue hues to the icon's robe, and flesh colored paint to its face.

The church has remained open during the day to handle the crowds. At the Espresso Pizza nearby, employee Chris Hernon said the weeping statue is "the talk of the town." He said he has watched people stop by at all hours of the day, and night. "We close at 3 in the morning, and they are out there even then, getting a look," Hernon said.

Yesterday, there were a dozen people praying in the church, and another dozen outside in front of the statue. The base was covered with bouquets of flowers, stuffed animals, and candles. Rosary beads dangle from its hands.

For a while, people also were leaving money, but Doherty posted a sign asking people not to leave the donations.

"We are not in debt," he said, "and the [proposed] closing has nothing to do with the weeping statue."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...03/04/to_believers_statue_sheds_tears_of_woe/
 
Weeping icons

For all the oozing statues, weeping icons, bleeding images, etc.

From The Morning Call -- March 26, 2004

Believers say oil is seeping from icon in Bethlehem

Unexplained event at St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church began with Great Lent.

By Dan Sheehan
Of The Morning Call


Mar 26, 2004

The liturgy done, the crowds gone, the perfume of incense fading, the Rev. Michael Varvarelis led two visitors to the front of St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church on Thursday and gestured at the 9-foot cross behind the altar.

Under the lights, vertical streaks of oil glistened on the head, torso and feet of the painted Christ.

Varvarelis said the 25-year-old icon at the Bethlehem church began exuding the colorless, odorless oil in late February, at the beginning of the Orthodox holiday of Great Lent. The strength of the flow has diminished since, but it hasn't stopped.

A blessing, declared Metropolitan Maximos, bishop of the Greek Orthodox Diocese of Pittsburgh, when he visited the church two weeks ago at Varvarelis's request to examine the cross. St. Nicholas is part of the Pittsburgh Diocese.

The metropolitan said the oil would serve to draw attention to the cross and its meaning. He did not call it a miracle, though some in this church of 700 families are inclined to believe it is one.

''What message is trying to send us?'' wondered Varvarelis's wife, Maria, discerning a divine hand at work behind the oil. ''Sometimes a little sign like this makes you nervous, because you don't know what might happen. But we are excited about it.''

Christian history is rich with accounts of icons and statues bleeding or weeping, communion hosts defying gravity, dried saint's blood liquefying on holy days.

Some have been debunked as natural occurrences — condensation, for example — or outright hoaxes. Others are unexplained.

This month, at a Roman Catholic church in Medford, Mass., parishioners reported seeing a statue of the Virgin Mary shedding tears.

Churchgoers in Sicily have reported seeing bloody tears on a bronze statue of Padre Pio, the Catholic priest canonized in 2002 who bore the stigmata, or wounds of Christ, on his hands.

Varvarelis said he is familiar with many occurrences of Orthodox icons producing tears or oils.

He has no plans to have the St. Nicholas oil analyzed, though he said he would not object to the procedure. ''Come,'' he invited skeptics who would turn a microscope on the matter.

Gregory Ferguson, a chemistry professor at Lehigh University in Bethlehem, said an analyst might be able to come up with a hypothesis about the oil's origins.

''It's important to recognize that even if one did that, it doesn't diminish the spiritual importance of what's happening,'' he said. ''Science and theology are not opposed to one another. They are complementary ways of viewing the world. They're different, but not opposed.''

From afar, the cross at St. Nicholas — which stands behind the altar in a wooden base — looks like painted wood. It is actually wood covered in painted canvas, said its creator, George Fillipakis, a renowned iconographer from New York who has created religious images for 55 Orthodox churches in America since moving to this country from Greece in 1969.

Fillipakis said the wood was ordinary plywood, ''the kind you make cabinets from,'' and the paints were blended from dry pigments and egg whites.

Perhaps the emission of oil is some sort of chemical or atmospheric reaction, he said, ''but why does it happen from this one and not other ones?''

Or perhaps it is something else, Fillipakis suggested, some heavenly nudge toward devotion in the thick of the Lenten season.

''I don't know exactly what the message is, but I believe the oil coming out is holy oil,'' he said. ''If you are religious, you have to accept that oil as a miracle.''

Varvarelis, who carries the cross once a year in an Easter season procession, says the origin of the oil is less important than its effect.

''It's an encouragement to be a little more careful with our lives as Christians,'' he said.

That is precisely the view of such phenomena embraced by most Christian denominations, said Larry Chapp, chairman of the theology and philosophy department at DeSales University in Center Valley.

Unblinking acceptance ''can turn religion into a magical or superstitious sort of thing,'' he said. ''But if has the effect of focusing people's attention on the message of the cross during the season of Lent, that's a good thing.''

According to Chapp, a spate of such occurrences has been reported around the world in recent years.

To many believers, ''the world situation is bordering on apocalyptic,'' Chapp said. ''Their interpretation is that this is God's way of communicating a sort of sadness.''

The skeptic, too, sees earthly turmoil at the root of heavenly visions, he said.

''To the detached observer, it's created a kind of atmosphere in which any kind of phenomenon is interpreted as a kind of miracle,'' Chapp said.

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-icon0326mar26,0,3556131.story?coll=all-newslocal-hed
 
Holy flows Batman

Web posted Monday, April 19, 2004

Yukon villagers claim 'bleeding' crucified Jesus statue is a 'miracle'

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

ANCHORAGE - A statue of a crucified Christ in the Yukon River village of Marshall is causing a stir after villagers claimed it started bleeding.

The statue began leaking from classic stigmata points on Sunday or Monday and has continued to do so, according to witnesses at the Yupik village of 360 people.

The "miracle of Marshall" began during midnight Easter services at Immaculate Heart of Mary Catholic Church, said resident Maureen Fitka-Larson. She belongs to the local Russian Orthodox church but has been visiting Immaculate Heart every day this week to pray and watch the statue.





"You wouldn't see it dripping or anything, but over a period of time," Fitka-Larson said. "You go up and check it the next day, you notice."

It is unclear if the statue had any painted blood as part of its original design and church officials could not be reached for comment Friday. But Fitka-Larson said the new blood has dripped noticeably on the statue's loincloth.

Word of the bleeding crucifix quickly spread up and down the river this week and, by Thursday, pilgrimages already had begun. A spokesman for Hageland Aviation Service in nearby St. Marys said the company flew several charter flights over to Marshall this week for people wanting to see the statue.

Religious statues and icons that allegedly bleed or weep pop up regularly all over the world. They are dismissed by nonbelievers as hoaxes, and the church usually keeps its distance from any claim of miracles.

The Fairbanks Diocese on Friday sent copies of a letter signed by Bishop Donald Kettler to parishes, saying a diocese representative visited the village "and this person reports (along with other members of the village) that they could not tell if anything did or did not happen."

"I will continue to gather information and will proceed slowly, carefully and prayerfully," Kettler wrote.

"Basically that's all we know," the bishop said later.

At the request of parishioners, Reverend Max Isaac of the village Russian Orthodox church, went to view the Catholic crucifix. He didn't get too close, he said, "but between Sunday and (Wednesday), I did notice that even more color was evident."

The village is "a melting pot of emotions" over the crucifix, Isaac said. "There are some people who are scared, some people are glad. I can only say we've had an increase of telephone calls from many different villages throughout Alaska and in this region."

Isaac and Fitka-Larson rejected the possibility that someone in the village might be doctoring the statue so it appears to bleed. "Nobody, out of respect, would go into the church and do this," Fitka-Larson said.

She has accepted the miracle and believes the blood is a message from Jesus.

"I think in his own way he is trying to tell us something - to go to church more, to pray more, to love more," she said.

http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/041904/sta_village.shtml
 
May 11, 2004, 9:04AM

Weeping cardboard Christ draws Texas pilgrims

Associated Press


ROBSTOWN -- Religious pilgrims have come to this Coastal Bend town by the hundreds to glimpse an image of Jesus they say began weeping inside a wood-framed house following a grandmother's prayers for a baby in a Houston hospital .

The pilgrims were told that the tears were in response to prayers from a young grandmother for her critically disfigured grandson.

The Catholic Church has not yet investigated the claims.

In a small living room where Gloria Fino, 34, clutched a Bible to her heart, the cardboard print of Christ was displayed.

Fino, a Catholic, dabbed cotton balls against two streams of oily substance that trickled from the outside corners of the image's eyes. She gave them to visitors, one after another.

"I got to wipe the tears," Jamie Gonzalez, 30, said as she steadied herself on the porch with the walker she needed to enter the home. "It's just faith."

As the droplets continued to form, visitors took photos in hopes of capturing the mysterious fluid. Fino took the print off the wall, turning it around to show the back.

She said the droplets began to flow late Friday night. She had been praying for her 3-month-old grandson, Isaac Tijerina, who was born with his internal organs outside his body.

Isaac remained in Texas Children's Hospital in Houston and Fino said doctors' reports have not been encouraging.

"I'd been praying to Jesus to send him home," Fino told the Corpus Christi Caller-Times in today's editions. "He had a tumor the size of a volleyball that busted.

"If you're here and hearing me, give me a sign," was her request to Jesus, she told about 30 people in her home at noontime Monday. "At first there was a big tear just hanging there, not running. Just there in the corner of his eye."

She said she summoned her father from his bedroom to see.

"We can't always rely on the scientific," said Monsignor Richard Shirley, vicar general for the Diocese of Corpus Christi. "If it's God, it will endure."

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2563012

Also here with pictures:

http://www.ksat.com/news/3291730/detail.html

Emps
 
Emps, if the picture on that site is the relevant one, there are presently two weeping icons in South Texas, because that is definitely not the one I saw on the news promo night before last. For various reasons I couldn't stay up and watch the news, and my search of the local paper didn't turn up any weeping icons, alas - but the one I saw on the promo was an enormously tacky-looking thing with a cartoony face on it; very bright and cheerful, the sort of thing you might have in a nursery Sunday school. The tears looked watery rather than oily and didn't seem to be staining the cardboard, which was the thin white stuff.

I'll look again and see if I can come up with it.
 
Peni: I know a guy who works in TV in Texas and they covered the weeping icon news story so I'll pick his brains later and see if he knows of any others.

Emps
 
When I see this thread, all I can think of is something like this:
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Nonny
 
Nonny Mose: LOL ;)

Emperor said:
ay 11, 2004, 9:04AM

Weeping cardboard Christ draws Texas pilgrims

Associated Press


ROBSTOWN -- Religious pilgrims have come to this Coastal Bend town by the hundreds to glimpse an image of Jesus they say began weeping inside a wood-framed house following a grandmother's prayers for a baby in a Houston hospital .

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2563012

Also here with pictures:

http://www.ksat.com/news/3291730/detail.html

Emps

and a followup:

May 14, 2004, 12:37PM

This weeping Jesus doesn't meet church standard

Associated Press

ROBSTOWN -- A Roman Catholic bishop said a cardboard portrait of Jesus does not show enough evidence of weeping for a formal church investigation.

Bishop Edmond Carmody had asked the Rev. Gerry Sheehan to view the portrait after 34-year-old Gloria Fino said tears were coming out of the eyes in the portrait. Sheehan told him that while the cheeks were streaked, Jesus no longer appeared to be crying.

"It's a very strange phenomenon ... there were signs that something had come from the eyes and the back of the paper print was dry, but there were no tears coming down. We see no reason to move it or to investigate now because it has stopped," Carmody said in today's Corpus Christi Caller-Times.

Fino said she was shocked by the international attention that came after she told people the picture she received as a gift three years ago began weeping last week. She said the tears started when she was praying for a 3-month-old grandson who was born with his internal organs outside his body. She said she had asked Jesus for a sign.

She was continuing to welcome people who came to pray in front of the portrait. Thursday afternoon, dozens of people had lined up to see the picture.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2569821
 
I'll post weeping images of Mary in here rather than in the BVM thread:

http://www.forteantimes.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12756

as it probably has more relevance to this type of thing.

Tuesday, 18 February, 2003, 12:15 GMT

Bangladeshis flock to 'weeping Virgin'


By Alastair Lawson
BBC correspondent in Dhaka


Thousands of people in the Bangladeshi port city of Chittagong are flocking to a Roman Catholic church where tears are reported to have been seen on a statue of the Virgin Mary.

The marble statue is kept in a glass case which scientists say could lead to condensation appearing on the Virgin Mary's face

Many of those visiting the church are Muslims, eager to see what some locals believe is a sign of the Virgin's dismay over the recent outbreak of violence in the country and elsewhere in the world.

Roman Catholic believers say it is the first time in Bangladesh that tears have been seen on a statue of the Virgin Mary.

In a country which is overwhelmingly Muslim, it is unusual for a symbol of the Christian faith to attract much interest.

But so many people are gathering outside the Chittagong church that police have been deployed to ensure law and order is maintained.

'Inquisitive'

Muslims are queuing to see the statue even though the Koran warns believers against showing an interest in religious idols.

Roman Catholics in Chittagong say that most people are queuing up to see the statue because they are inquisitive.

Around 90% of Bangladesh's 130 million population is Muslim.

In Chittagong, the second-largest city in the country, there are only around 8,000 Christians in a city of over four million people.

Many churchgoers claim the cause of the Virgin Mary's tears is recent outbreaks of violence in Bangladesh.

They point out that she has had a lot to be upset about in the last week alone.

On Monday, five people were gunned down in local election violence in the south-western district of Jhenida and, before that, there were a series of bomb explosions in the northern town of Dinajpur.

Scientists have already said that one possible explanation for the tears is the fact that the marble statue is kept in a glass case, which could lead to condensation appearing on the Virgin Mary's face.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2775461.stm
 
Crowds flock to see 'weeping' religious icons

Catriona Mathewson
24may04

FIRST there was a fence post in Sydney that supposedly bore a remarkable resemblance to the Virgin Mary, and now Queensland has its own religious phenomena.

Hundreds flocked to a Catholic church in the Brisbane suburb of Inala on the weekend to catch a glimpse of statues which have apparently been weeping blood and rose-scented oil.

Yesterday a squad of volunteers was enlisted – each with hand-written "security" tags pinned to their lapels – to direct crowds and explain the strange happenings at the little-known Vietnamese community church.

Digital cameras and video recorders jostled to capture images of the sacred seeping objects, now tucked away in glass display cases.

"It looks genuine enough, but then I suppose I don't know what a fake one looks like," Toowoomba visitor Mark Power said.

"I'd like to believe, but (I'll) wait and see what the church says."

The mystery began over a week ago when rose-scented oil began leaking from a statue of Mary and a crucifix which were kept in the priests's chambers of St Mark's.

But things really escalated last Friday night when blood reportedly flowed from statues and a crucifix above the altar during mass.

On Saturday night, worshippers said blood flowed from a crucifix in the hand of a statue at the front of the church.

The Reverend Father Joseph Liem said he expected that the church would investigate the claims.

"I don't know what the meaning is for these phenomena," he said yesterday.

Crowds who flowed through the church yesterday were excited but retained a healthy scepticism.

"I can't say it's a miracle because the church has to approve it," Joseph Vu said. "But I think it was a miracle."

But for others, the weeping statues have been a blessing whether the source is miraculous or not.

"If the result of this is people thinking seriously about their religion and their faith . . . it's served its purpose," Mark Power said.

"Even if it turns out to not be authentic it's done good."

Early last year thousands flocked to Coogee Beach in Sydney after claims that people had seen a fence-post apparition of the Virgin Mary.

http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,9643376%5E3102,00.html
 
Church to investigate 'miracle statue'

May 25, 2004

THE Catholic Church is to investigate claims of religious icons bleeding and weeping rose oil in a small Brisbane church.

Brisbane Archbishop John Bathersby said he had appointed Judicial Vicar Dr Adrian Farrelly as the head of the investigation team to determine the cause of the apparent phenomena in the Vietnamese Community Hall at Inala in Brisbane's south-west.

"I will now convene a panel of experts, under the direction of the Judicial Vicar, to investigate the happenings at Inala and if possible to establish their origin," he said in a statement.

Archbishop Bathersby said he could not predict how long the investigation would take, but said a similar inquiry in Western Australia last year had taken two months.

That inquiry found the phenomena did not meet the criteria of a miracle.

Thousands of believers continue their pilgrimage to the community church to see the apparent miracles for themselves.

Many people believe the phenomena is a sign of hope from God in an uncertain world.

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1274&storyid=1386797
 
Queensland church, site of modern-day day miracle?


AM - Thursday, 27 May , 2004 08:26:28
Reporter: Petria Wallace

TONY EASTLEY: Now to Queensland, and claims that a suburban church is the site of a modern-day miracle.

Hundreds of people from Brisbane's Vietnamese Catholic community say they've witnessed religious statues and a crucifix, all weeping oil and a blood-like liquid.

While sceptics have labelled it a hoax, the Catholic Church says it's approaching it with an 'open mind' and it will conduct an official investigation.

Petria Wallace reports.

(singing from church)

PETRIA WALLACE: Nearly a thousand people are turning up each day to the small chapel in Inala, in Brisbane's southwest.

Some in the Vietnamese Catholic congregation say they've already witnessed what they believe is a divine sign from God.

VOX POP 1: We actually saw oil coming out from Jesus, the crucifixion and oil was coming from Mary as well, the statue of Mary.

We're just blessed, and very grateful.

PETRIA WALLACE: Visitors are hoping to see the same.

VOX POP 2: I believe in our lady, and all her blessings that come with her, and I just thought that I'd like to come and see it.

PETRIA WALLACE: The first claim of miraculous healing has already emerged.

A disabled woman has told the local priest that after going to the chapel, she has walked for the first time in 10 years.

The news is also rapidly spreading overseas. The community's expecting visitors from the United States this weekend.

(congregation milling)

Most people left last night's mass as true believers.

VOX POP 3: It is droplets of fresh blood, and there's also the blood that was like a sprinkle on the bottom of the feet, on the feet of the, Mary.

PETRIA WALLACE: But at least one man emerged saying it was all a hoax.

VOX POP 4: It's not real. It's not real.

PETRIA WALLACE: You don't think it's real. Why not?

VOX POP 4: Ah, it looked like painting. Someone painting.

PETRIA WALLACE: The Catholic Church in Queensland is about to begin an official investigation into the claims.

Its expert in church law, Doctor Adrian Farrelly, will select and lead the team.

Although some in the church have privately ridiculed the accounts of weeping statues, Doctor Farrelly insists he doesn't approach the task as a sceptic.

ADRIAN FARRELLY: When you look at the story of Christ, it deals with wonders and miracles, so I can't start from a point of view saying these things can never happen, and I'd be silly to do so, given that say with the declaring someone to be a saint, something has happened that is classified as a miracle.

PETRIA WALLACE: Once, claims of supernatural phenomona were tested by the Vatican alone.

In the modern age, the church turns to the secular knowledge of science.

ADRIAN FARRELLY: Is this something that could only occur if the hand of God was active in it, or could it come about in other ways?

(singing from church)

PETRIA WALLACE: Worshippers at Inala say although they appreciate the church's efforts, they don't need science to believe in a miracle.

Do you think it's possible that it's a hoax, a fake?

VOX POP 1: If you actually, you know, witnessed it, you can't possibly say that it's not real.

(singing from church)

TONY EASTLEY: Petria Wallace reporting from Brisbane.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2004/s1117014.htm
 
Faithful flock to buy weeping Marys

By Richard Finnila
28may04

THE religious phenomenon that has engulfed a small Catholic church in southwest Brisbane has inspired a statue-buying frenzy.

The store that supplied the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre at Inala with its weeping statue of Mary has been cleaned out of stock this week.

The Christian Supplies store in Elizabeth St, Brisbane City, has sold more than 120 statues of the Miraculous Our Lady and tens of kilograms of rosary prayer beads to devout Vietnamese Catholics.

The rush for religious ornaments comes after statues at the Inala church exuded a rose-scented oil a week ago.

Many believers have left their statues in the church in the hope that they might become blessed.

Christian Supplies manager Damian Salvati said four Vietnamese Australians from Melbourne bought 24 statues on Wednesday.

"I have easily sold 10 dozen statues of the Miraculous Our Lady in the last week, mainly to the Vietnamese community," Mr Salvati said.

The demand has been so intense that the store has had to order in a shipment of new stock from Perth, en route from Italy where the statues are made.

"We have 10kg of rosary beads coming in tomorrow and about 20 dozen more statues, but I don't expect them to last long," Mr Salvati said.

Mr Salvati said he sold the weeping statue of Mary to the Vietnamese Community Centre about four weeks ago, along with many of the crucifixes that have also been sweating the liquid.

"I would estimate that we have sold between 00 and ,000 worth of stock because of this," Mr Salvati said.

Vietnamese church spokesman Vincent Do said thousands of people from Brisbane had visited the church.

The Catholic Church is expected to conduct an investigation into the mystery within days.

http://www.thesundaymail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,9677798%5E421,00.html
 
Inala priest says faith rose to the occasion

The Lord – or one of His helpers – has been working in mysterious ways in a Brisbane church during the past week. Michael Corkill reports

29may04

A FORMER Brisbane rugby league club is not the place most people would expect to find a sign from God.

But that is exactly what the chaplain of the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre in Inala said he experienced after seeking divine intervention over plans to expand the former headquarters of the Brothers St Mark's Leagues Club at Inala.

Church officials have confirmed the community centre was the subject of an application for refurbishment funds.

Father Joseph Liem Thanh Nguyen this week told his flock he prayed to the Virgin Mary on May 17 for "help with the plan of extension and renovation of our small community centre to make it more spacious for community needs".

He asked for a sign and said that about two minutes later: "The small statue in my hands seeped with oil, which started from her face. Then other statues of Mary and the Rosaries bought in by church members started to seep with oil. However, these only lasted about five minutes before the oil was completely dried up, leaving behind a wonderful rose scent-like fragrance."

That was not the first time or the last time an apparent miracle happened in the building, which doubles as a chapel, just down the road from the St Mark's Catholic Church. So far, there have been 14 such events this month, such as crucifixes and statues seeping what seemed to be blood or oil.

The events have grabbed international attention, sparked an investigation by the Vatican and drawn believers from Ireland, PNG, Melbourne and Sydney.

But Fr Frank Moynihan, the senior pastor at the Inala parish who doubles as Fr Nguyen's church superior, is so far not among them.

He is yet to make the 100m pilgrimage from his church, built in the late 1960s, and is not prepared to say why.

Fr Nguyen has also refused to comment on the happenings.

In the most unexplained "phenomenon", last Saturday night, blood and oil reportedly seeped from a crucifix of a statue of a saint located outside the building.

As well, blood and oil seeped from a statue of Christ inside the building.

"Jesus Christ's hands, ribs and knees were visible with blood seeping out," Fr Nguyen said in a written statement available at the centre.

"While this amazing occurrence was happening outside, it was also incredible inside the chapel," he wrote.

"The main crucifix above the Tabernacle started to show blood seeping from Jesus' crown of thorns, the mouth, the elbows and crucifixion marks.

"Everyone in the chapel was on their knees, crying, praying and praising.

"Everyone who witnessed this sign was overwhelmed," Fr Nguyen wrote.

Canon law expert Dr Adrian Farrelly, a priest in the Brisbane archdiocese for 31 years, is heading an investigation ordered by Catholic Archbishop John Bathersby.

Dr Farrelly said he was keeping an "open mind" on the issue and has called for experts, both with religious faith or otherwise, to form a panel.

"Signs and wonders accompanied Christ and his proclamation of the kingdom (of God) and that has been part and parcel of the history of the Church down through the ages," he said.

"When we come to an out-of-the-ordinary phenomenon, such as what is happening with the statues, the approach that the Church takes is to proceed cautiously.

"Not having done an investigation like this before I would be somewhat hard-pressed to give a timeline."

While The Courier-Mail has learned the community centre has sought refurbishment funds, a Catholic church spokesman said: "At this stage none of these plans have received the normal approvals needed for those projects".

Fr Nguyen was ordained in 1996 and previously served as the assistant pastor at St Bernard's in Upper Mt Gravatt from 1996 to 2001 before becoming the assistant pastor at Inala.

He was not present during the first strange event – oil seeping from a statue of the Virgin Mary on May 14 – but raced to the centre with 12 other people including fellow priests Fr Peter Toan and Fr Joseph Truong when news broke.

Fr Toan was the parish priest at Carina for six years until recently going on sabbatical and is now in Canberra.

Fr Truong in May was appointed the assistant priest at Carina after relocating from Adelaide.

"All of the priests are priests in good standing in the archdiocese," said a spokesman who refused to give further details due to "privacy concerns".

"At this stage none of these plans have received the normal approvals needed for those projects," he said.

Reports of weeping statues are not unusual in the Catholic faith where church investigations will only certify so-called miracles if it can be determined that the happening happened through no other means but divine intervention.

The most recent case of a weeping statue was in Rockingham in Western Australian in 2002 which university tests found contained vegetable oil, most probably olive oil, mixed with rose oil.

That led Perth Archbishop Barry Hickey's announcement that "one cannot safely conclude that this phenomenon is of divine origin".

Visitor numbers at the Inala church have jumped from 15 to 30 people a day to well over 200, prompting the need for security guards.

More than 600 people are attending Mass and the numbers are still growing.

http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,9687896%5E3102,00.html
 
Professor examines weeping statues

15:50 AEST Wed Jun 2 2004


The Catholic Church has enlisted a retired chemistry professor to determine whether religious objects in a small Brisbane church are actually bleeding and weeping.

Judicial vicar and investigator Dr Adrian Farrelly said the professor may be able to provide a scientific explanation for the phenomenon which many have hailed as miracle.

"We've got a retired professor of chemistry," Dr Farrelly said.

"He wants to remain private, given the sensitivities of the matter.

"He's not Catholic, he's agnostic, but he's got the required skills I need."

Thousands of people, from as far away as Melbourne and New Zealand, have flocked to the Vietnamese Community Church in the south-western Brisbane suburb of Inala to view religious objects, including crucifixes and a statue of the Virgin Mary, which have either bled or leaked rose oil over the past three weeks.

Dr Farrelly, an expert in church law who also preaches in the inner north Brisbane suburb of Clayfield, said he had not investigated weeping statues before.

He had no idea when the investigation might be finished or when he could hand his report to Brisbane Archbishop John Bathersby.

"My life is not just to investigate unusual happenings," he said.

"I have my own ordinary canon law work to do plus my parish duties, so I'm not wanting it to drag on at all."

He was also interviewing church clergy and parishioners.

"I'll be asking for all the ones who have been eyewitnesses there to let me know what they have witnessed."

Some of those who have flocked to the church have said the substance on the statues and crucifixes was a sign of hope from God in a world now fraught with uncertainty.

Church spokesman Vincent Do said the abnormalities began when rose oil started flowing from the eyes, nose, forehead and fingers of a statue of the Virgin Mary.

A small cross on the altar has also bled, as have religious figurines.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8635

I want to be a judicial vicar.

Have I mentioned I'm a reverend?

Emps
 
$1m offer for Mary tears

Richard Finnila
June 3, 2004


PROFESSIONAL sceptic James Randi has offered the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre $1 million if it can be proven its weeping statue of Mary is supernatural.

The former magician turned full-time sceptic, who lives in Florida, has offered the prize for the past six years to anyone who can show evidence of a paranormal event.

But despite having received hundreds of applications, no one has pocketed the fortune.

Mr Randi said every weeping statue he had investigated had turned out to be a hoax.

"We get claims like this all the time, but people don't want them to be tested," Mr Randi said.

"One day I hope someone will take the money and make me look like a fool."

Mr Randi personally invited the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre to apply for the prize.

He said the criteria he used to investigate paranormal claims were simple.

"If they say they can fly, then fly," Mr Randi said. "If they say they can heal wounds, then heal wounds – I want to see it."

The $1 million invitation comes as Catholic leaders begin preparing to test the statue's authenticity.

Vincent Do, spokesman for the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre, said the church was unaware of the prize and did not intend to apply for it.

The statue was plucked from the Inala church's altar yesterday and taken to a secret location to be examined. Father Adrian Farrelly, who is leading the Catholic Church's investigation, said the statue was being examined by a retired professor of chemistry at a prominent Brisbane university.
m offer for Mary tears


Richard Finnila
June 3, 2004


PROFESSIONAL sceptic James Randi has offered the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre
$1m offer for Mary tears

Richard Finnila
June 3, 2004


PROFESSIONAL sceptic James Randi has offered the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre $1 million if it can be proven its weeping statue of Mary is supernatural.

The former magician turned full-time sceptic, who lives in Florida, has offered the prize for the past six years to anyone who can show evidence of a paranormal event.

But despite having received hundreds of applications, no one has pocketed the fortune.

Mr Randi said every weeping statue he had investigated had turned out to be a hoax.

"We get claims like this all the time, but people don't want them to be tested," Mr Randi said.

"One day I hope someone will take the money and make me look like a fool."

Mr Randi personally invited the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre to apply for the prize.

He said the criteria he used to investigate paranormal claims were simple.

"If they say they can fly, then fly," Mr Randi said. "If they say they can heal wounds, then heal wounds – I want to see it."

The $1 million invitation comes as Catholic leaders begin preparing to test the statue's authenticity.

Vincent Do, spokesman for the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre, said the church was unaware of the prize and did not intend to apply for it.

The statue was plucked from the Inala church's altar yesterday and taken to a secret location to be examined. Father Adrian Farrelly, who is leading the Catholic Church's investigation, said the statue was being examined by a retired professor of chemistry at a prominent Brisbane university.
million if it can be proven its weeping statue of Mary is supernatural.

The former magician turned full-time sceptic, who lives in Florida, has offered the prize for the past six years to anyone who can show evidence of a paranormal event.

But despite having received hundreds of applications, no one has pocketed the fortune.

Mr Randi said every weeping statue he had investigated had turned out to be a hoax.

"We get claims like this all the time, but people don't want them to be tested," Mr Randi said.

"One day I hope someone will take the money and make me look like a fool."

Mr Randi personally invited the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre to apply for the prize.

He said the criteria he used to investigate paranormal claims were simple.

"If they say they can fly, then fly," Mr Randi said. "If they say they can heal wounds, then heal wounds – I want to see it."

The
$1m offer for Mary tears

Richard Finnila
June 3, 2004


PROFESSIONAL sceptic James Randi has offered the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre $1 million if it can be proven its weeping statue of Mary is supernatural.

The former magician turned full-time sceptic, who lives in Florida, has offered the prize for the past six years to anyone who can show evidence of a paranormal event.

But despite having received hundreds of applications, no one has pocketed the fortune.

Mr Randi said every weeping statue he had investigated had turned out to be a hoax.

"We get claims like this all the time, but people don't want them to be tested," Mr Randi said.

"One day I hope someone will take the money and make me look like a fool."

Mr Randi personally invited the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre to apply for the prize.

He said the criteria he used to investigate paranormal claims were simple.

"If they say they can fly, then fly," Mr Randi said. "If they say they can heal wounds, then heal wounds – I want to see it."

The $1 million invitation comes as Catholic leaders begin preparing to test the statue's authenticity.

Vincent Do, spokesman for the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre, said the church was unaware of the prize and did not intend to apply for it.

The statue was plucked from the Inala church's altar yesterday and taken to a secret location to be examined. Father Adrian Farrelly, who is leading the Catholic Church's investigation, said the statue was being examined by a retired professor of chemistry at a prominent Brisbane university.
million invitation comes as Catholic leaders begin preparing to test the statue's authenticity.

Vincent Do, spokesman for the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre, said the church was unaware of the prize and did not intend to apply for it.

The statue was plucked from the Inala church's altar yesterday and taken to a secret location to be examined. Father Adrian Farrelly, who is leading the Catholic Church's investigation, said the statue was being examined by a retired professor of chemistry at a prominent Brisbane university.

http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9728257%5E3102,00.html
 
"One day I hope someone will take the money and make me look like a fool."
So he secretly harbours an innate hope that the paranormal exists then?

I would happily take the money and make him look like a fool. Anyone want to help draw up the plans? :D
 
Statue still a far cry from miraculous

By Mark Todd, in Brisbane
June 8, 2004


Somewhere in a secret laboratory in Brisbane a man of science is poring over the results of a swab that could hold the answer to a religious mystery: a 700 centimetre-tall statue of the Virgin Mary that is apparently weeping rose-scented oil.

Samples were taken last week from the statue in perhaps the first attempt in Queensland to bring science to bear to explain what is as yet inexplicable.

"There isn't a handbook for investigating this sort of thing," said Father Adrian Farrelly, a canon law expert and the priest charged by the Catholic Church with investigating the statue.

"I've been a priest for 31 years and I've got no recollection of anything happening like this."

Many are treating the weeping statue as a joke, but the church is taking it seriously.

Dr Farrelly has put together a small team, comprising a retired professor of chemistry, who is agnostic, and a local lawyer.

While the scientist attempts to work out the origin of the oil, Dr Farrelly is taking statements from witnesses. "We're looking at the statue to see if it's something, even if it is unusual, that can occur naturally, or something that can be produced by people," he said.

"You don't want things to be labelled miraculous too easily. The archbishop has an overriding concern that people are well directed from a pastoral sense."

Dr Farrelly has not put a deadline on the inquiry, and in any event the church may not make the findings public.

The statue, now back behind glass in the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre in Inala, south-western Brisbane, has had hundreds, if not thousands, of visitors

since a substance looking like blood started seeping from the statue and a crucifix above an altar during Mass at the centre.

One woman, on her fourth visit to the statue, said the weeping was a sign. "We believe in it. Some people come in sick and they got better," she said.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/06/07/1086460240772.html?oneclick=true
 
A sweating statue?

KATHMANDU, India (Wireless Flash) -- Hindu priests in a remote Nepal village are breaking out in a cold sweat over a stone statue of a deity that has also begun to mysteriously sweat for no apparent reason. The priests take the sweaty signal as a sign that bad things are about to come and are now praying to spare the country and the people from disasters or calamities, according to Reuters.

http://www.ncbuy.com/news/2004-06-24/1009939.html

I suspect there will be more on this one later.

Emps
 
Nepalese Disaster Omen?

http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IEH20040709134948&Title=Top+Stories&Topic=0&
Nepalis fear disaster as deity 'sweats' once again

KATHMANDU: Nepal is in a cold sweat -- because the statue of a deity in the central part of the country is said to have "perspired" last month just as it has done before on the eve of national calamities.

According to local belief, the statue of Bhimsen in the Maoist stronghold of Dolakha in central Nepal breaks out in sweat just before something disastrous happens in the country.

When it "perspired" in 2001, a massacre wiped out the royal family in the palace at Kathmandu.

In 1989 and 1934, a sweating Bhimsen heralded two devastating earthquakes.

The deaths of two kings -- that of the present king's father Mahendra in 1970 and the passing away of King Tribhuvan in 1953 -- are also said to have occurred after the idol "sweated".

According to tradition, the country undergoes an upheaval within six months of the phenomenon.

This year the deity is said to have sweated on June 22 and 23, a spectacle that is now bringing villagers in droves to offer penance.

The palace priest himself is said to have come to the Bhimeshwor temple in Dolakha to offer a 'kshama puja', or a worship for forgiveness, to appease the deity.

And this year, Nepal has plenty to fear.

After a drought-like situation due to the delayed monsoon, it is now facing the possibility of floods with four people already being killed and highways being blocked by rainwater.

Each monsoon thousands are displaced and infrastructure worth millions destroyed.

Things don't look too bright on the political front either.

Though newly appointed Prime Minister Sher Bahadur Deuba has been able to rope in three opposition parties to join his government, Maoists are on a rampage.

They have said they do not recognise Deuba's government. In the one month that he has been in power, the insurgents have launched at least three offensives against security forces, besides gunning down four government officials.

Then King Gyanendra turned 58 on Wednesday, an event though celebrated nationwide is also cause for concern since previous kings of Nepal have died young.

One of the poorest countries in the world, Nepal sets great store by superstitions and rites.

Though he ascended the throne in 2001, the king is yet to be crowned because there has been no auspicious date. Every year, thousands of animals are sacrificed at temples to propitiate the local gods.
 
Kaiser Saucey: Thanks for finding the longer report - I merged it with this thread as it had already come up.

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And onwards - it sounds like the report on the weeping sttues will be taking its own sweet time:

'Miracle' report weeks away

Amanda Watt
09jul04

AN investigation into the authenticity of weeping religious statues at a Brisbane church has become as much of a mystery as the incident itself.

It has been more than six weeks since parishioners at the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre at Inala first saw what they said were blood and rose-scented oil coming from the statues.

But an official inquiry into the incident is far from over.

Soon after the May 21 incident, Catholic Archbishop of Brisbane John Bathersby appointed a panel of experts to examine the statues.

Father Adrian Farrelly, who heads the panel, is on leave and could not be contacted for comment yesterday.

A Catholic Church spokesman said Father Farrelly would return to work next Tuesday but his findings were not imminent.

The spokesman believed the scientific component of the investigation had been completed but Fr Farrelly was still compiling witness statements.

He said Fr Farrelly "was not at liberty to make a preliminary report".

"He has to draw all of the elements together and make a report to the Archbishop . . . he can't release certain parts (of the investigation) without others," the spokesman said.

"A finding is still some weeks away."

The spokesman denied the church was proceeding too slowly. "There is no deliberate delay, it's just a case that it's the first time one of these has happened in Brisbane.

"An investigation into a similar incident in Perth took about two months."

Griffith University professor of history and philosophy Wayne Hudson said there was no guarantee there would be a definitive finding.

Professor Hudson said incidents of the type seen at Inala were not likely to have a simple scientific explanation.

"It's very important to take manifestations of this kind seriously," he said.

"Studying them can take an extremely long time, but often it is never clear even 30, 40 or 50 years later.

"There is something wrong with the idea that there is a mystery and we'll study it and it won't be a mystery any more."

http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,10078755%5E3102,00.html
 
Weeping cross still a mystery

09/07/2004 08:49 - (SA)

Hannah Keal


Pietermaritzburg - The wooden cross in the Garden of Remembrance in Pietermaritzburg is tacky with resin just a few days before the anniversary of the massacre of thousands of South African soldiers at the Battle of Delville Wood during the Somme offensive of 1916.

The cross has wept resin "tears" almost every year, coinciding with the anniversary of the bloody battle that started on July 15, 1916. Out of the over 4 000 troops who defended Delville Wood, only 750 were left standing.

The South African brigade was ordered to occupy the French wood and hold it at all costs to protect British troops who had just taken the adjacent village of Langueval. Shells razed the woods, slamming into trees at a rate of 400 per minute and leaving only a few tree stumps intact. By July 18 the South Africans had been driven from their trenches, the wounded could not be evacuated and reinforcements could not get through.

After the battle, three wooden crosses were cut from the few remaining stumps and presented to Durban, Cape Town and Pietermaritzburg as memorials. The Pietermaritzburg cross, which is made from Scots Pine, is the only one that weeps.

The phenomenon baffles experts.

Sticky resin was visible on Thursday from a crack near the inscription and knots in the wood on both sides of the crossbar. Eighty-eight years after the battle, scientists still find it difficult to come up with explanations for the leaking resin.

Chemists who analysed samples of the substance in the past years found traces of lower linseed oil fragments and pine resin. This was expected as the carpenter, William Olive, soaked the cross in linseed oil before he worked on it. However, the phenomenon baffles forestry experts as it is unusual for wood to continue producing resin for such a long time.

Other suggestions include the dry, cold weather experienced around this time of the year, which would cause the wood to shrink and hence force the resin out. "It is an intriguing phenomenon," said Dr Ashley Nicholas from the school of Biology at the University of KwaZulu-Natal, Westville campus. "Many theories have been put forward but until someone scientifically tests it, we are just guessing."

Sergeant Major Eddie Hoffman has been keeping tabs on the state of the cross. "On June 17 it was as hard as a rock, but on June 29 it had already started getting tacky," he said, adding that if the weeping cross follows its usual pattern, it will have dried out again by the end of July.

"It is an unexplained mystery," said Old Bill Roy Hendry. "Authorities from all over the world have given their reasons but none can explain it."

The cross originally stood at the intersection of Durban and Alexandra Roads in Pietermaritzburg but was seen to be a traffic hazard and was moved to the Natal Carbineers Garden. In July 1956 it was moved to the Moth Remembrance Garden, where it has been ever since.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_1555201,00.html
 
Paul Gascoigne? Does he count as a 'weeping icon'?

:D
 
No hes a drunken wife-beating idiot. ;)

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The mystery of Thornton's 'miracle' statue

By Ross Farrow
News-Sentinel Staff Writer

St. Anne's may not be that different from most other Catholic churches in the United States, except that very few of them have had to deal with a "miracle."

The miracle: A statue actually shedding tears and moving 20 feet or more to the altar -- all by itself.


In 1981, reports of the statue of Our Lady of Fatima moving, untouched by human hands, came from several parishioners at St. Anne's mission church in Thornton, Mater Ecclesiae. The results: Thousands of people showing up in Thornton to view the statue.

The statue moved to the altar on the 13th of each month from April to September 1981, said Al Amaro, a Thornton resident since 1942. The statue stopped moving after church officials moved it to a different location inside the church. The statue is still there, Amaro said.

Long-time Thornton resident Manuel Pitta also claimed that Jesus and Mary spoke directly with him.

Father Harmon Skillin, pastor at St. Anne's and Mater Ecclesiae from 1983 to 1994, remembers having to handle what rightfully could be termed a delicate situation.

"It was a great diversion for a pastor, believe me," Skillin told the News-Sentinel last week.

"A delegation came from Thornton," he said.

So how do you insist that the statue didn't exhibit human characteristics, yet treat your parishioners with respect with dignity?

"Very carefully," Skillin said.

Roger Mahony, then bishop of the Stockton Diocese and now cardinal of the Los Angeles Archdiocese, appointed a commission of four area priests to investigate what was going on in Thornton.

During a press conference in Thornton on June 8, 1983, Mahony announced before a battery of newspaper and TV reporters that the statue didn't constitute "a miracle in the eyes of the Catholic Church," according to a story in the News-Sentinel.

Skillin said he had to be gentle, but truthful.

"Sometimes, truth is not acceptable (to those who don't wish to accept it)," he said.

http://www.lodinews.com/articles/2004/07/26/news/05_st_annes_thornton_040726.txt
 
Finally!!!!

Finally looks like we are going to get the results:

Statue probe to reveal all

July 28, 2004 - 7:14PM


The Catholic Church is expected to reveal whether statues said to be bleeding and weeping at a small Brisbane church are a miracle or a hoax.

The Vietnamese Community Church, in the south-western suburb of Inala, has drawn thousands of worshippers and prompted Brisbane Catholic Archbishop John Bathersby to order an investigation.

He called in judicial vicar Dr Adrian Farrelly who said the results of the investigations would be a disappointment to some and a relief to others.

"Whichever way it comes out it is going to be pleasing to some and displeasing to others," Dr Farrelly said.

The statues were first reported weeping in May but have since been withdrawn from public view.

Last month, Dr Farrelly said he had enlisted the help of a retired chemistry professor to determine the source of the reddish liquid.

Vietnamese Community Church spokesman Vincent Do has said the abnormalities began when rose oil started flowing from the eyes, nose, forehead and fingers of a statue of the Virgin Mary. A small cross on the altar had also bled, as had religious figurines.

People have flocked from as far away as Melbourne and New Zealand to see them.

Archbishop Bathersby has said a similar inquiry in Western Australia last year had taken two months but it found the phenomena did not meet the criteria of a miracle.

He will hold a news conference at 9.30am Thursday at the Holy Spirit Primary School Hall at New Farm to announce the findings of the Inala investigation.


http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/28/1090694022624.html?oneclick=true
 
And the man from the Church he say......

Fake:

Church says 'weeping' statues are fakes

By Margaret Wenham, Emma Chalmers and Amanda Watt
30jul04

THE Catholic Church has officially declared the oil-seeping and "bleeding" artefacts at the Inala Vietnamese Catholic Centre as fakes.

Brisbane Archbishop John Bathersby yesterday apologised to all those deceived.

He released an investigative report and issued instructions for the principal statue and other objects to be removed from public veneration.

Archbishop Bathersby said he had asked for a full accounting of any money received "during the time of these pilgrimages".

News of the weeping, seeping artefacts swept around the world and thousands of devotees have visited the centre in Brisbane's southwest since May. The so-called phenomenon included a large plaster statue of the Virgin Mary, rosary beads, a picture of Jesus and a crucifix.

Archbishop Bathersby said a commission of investigation, headed by Dr Adrian Farrelly, had found the rose scented oil on the artefacts was "very likely one that is commercially available and it is possible that the substance was applied to them by human hands".

"The principal statue was X-rayed and the oil samples subjected to analysis by gas chromatography and mass spectroscopy," he said.

"The red substance found on some of the artefacts was shown not to be blood."

The commission was "not satisfied the phenomenon was, within the proper meaning of the word, a miracle".

"Given that there is the possibility that human agency could produce the phenomenon then . . . I must declare that what has happened at Inala cannot be said to be of supernatural origin."

Archbishop Bathersby apologised to "the people who believed this to be so".

X-rays of the main statute revealed two fine holes through which liquid could have been injected.

Archbishop Bathersby said that the centre's priest, Father Joseph Nguyen Thanh Liem, had believed the phenomenon to be a miracle but had accepted the archbishop's "direction".

Fr Joseph, who was unable to be contacted yesterday, had said he had no idea who had perpetrated the fraud.

He had also denied knowing of a DVD on the artefacts being sold on the Internet.

Archbishop Bathersby said Fr Joseph had revealed that extra money earned from increased sales of rosary beads and crucifixes had gone into a special account to ease poverty in African countries.

He said those claims would be investigated and Fr Joseph had confirmed "substantial amounts had been raised".

At the centre yesterday, the statue of the Virgin Mary which had been "weeping", was locked in a cabinet in the hall. Previously, the statue had been placed in a glass cabinet on the chapel altar.

Many parishioners said they still believed the weeping and bleeding were miracles.

"I don't care (about the report)," one parishioner said. "With my eyes I saw that. I believe it in my heart."

Truong Phan, 29, of Melbourne, came to see the statue and when told about the church's report also dismissed it. "I think it's genuine," he said. "We've seen a lot of this."

At a service at the Inala church attended by about 200 people last night, Father Thu Nguyen told worshippers to respect the church's findings. But he said later that people would "believe what they believe".

Father Thu said he had witnessed three separate weeping Mary statues at homes around Inala.

Church member Trung Nguen said he still believed the weeping statues were "a sign from God".

"I saw it, it's a miracle. No one knows what happened but it's a sign from God."

http://www.thecouriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,10285476%5E421,00.html

"not blood" is a bit of a crappy diagnois - surely something like FTIR, GCMS, etc. could have revealed what it was in an afternoon.
 
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