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Another report on the above:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/29/1091080366746.html?oneclick=true
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/29/1091080366746.html?oneclick=true
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Rosary Beads Shed Oil
This report appears on NEWS.com.au
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Priest's claimed rosary beads 'shed oil'
August 4, 2004
A CATHOLIC priest whose church was the site of several so-called miracles told parishioners his personal rosary beads had shed oil during an interstate trip.
Joseph Thanh Liem Nguyen, the chaplain of the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre in Inala on Brisbane's south-western outskirts, made the claim in Vietnamese on a website used by the centre.
He also said a statue of Mary and a portrait of Jesus at the centre seeped oil at the same time.
"From 5 June to 6 June, when I was in Adelaide, South Australia, my rosary bead, which had shedding oil and put in a small box and was used for my night prayer, once again started shedding oil with a strong smell of roses," Fr Nguyen said.
"I showed it to many people for venerated kissing."
The website was translated into English by a Catholic Church commission of inquiry into several religious artefacts said to have seeped oil at the centre.
The inquiry focused its attention on a 60cm statue of Mary.
It tested no further artefacts after the discovery of "two fine holes in the statue" through which a "syringe could be used to introduce a liquid".
Fr Nguyen told the inquiry his rosary beads had first shed oil on May 16 and were from Fatima in Portugal – the site of an official miracle in 1917 involving a vision of the Virgin Mary.
He reported seven strange phenomena in the three weeks following the start of the inquiry on May 31.
Chief among them was that of a small crucifix leaking oil in the centre's sacristy – a secure place where sacred vessels are kept.
Fr Nguyen said the "miracle" occurred at a time when inquiry head the Rev Dr Adrian Farrelly "sent a letter to all witnesses asking them to report what did they see, smell".
"I would like to report the miracle to all the Vietnamese Catholics, whether in Brisbane or other states," he said.
Fr Nguyen also told of a statue of Jesus that seeped rose-scented oil on June 16 and two days later seeped oil that "looked like blood".
About 4000 pilgrims flocked to the centre each weekend, including many sick and elderly people.
Catholic Archbishop John Bathersby said yesterday that he was still awaiting a report on how much money had been raised by the centre through the sale of religious artefacts.
Archbishop Bathersby said he was told the money had been put into a poverty account for use in Africa and Vietnam.
The Courier-Mail
This report appears on NEWS.com.au
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Priest's claimed rosary beads 'shed oil'
August 4, 2004
A CATHOLIC priest whose church was the site of several so-called miracles told parishioners his personal rosary beads had shed oil during an interstate trip.
Joseph Thanh Liem Nguyen, the chaplain of the Vietnamese Catholic Community Centre in Inala on Brisbane's south-western outskirts, made the claim in Vietnamese on a website used by the centre.
He also said a statue of Mary and a portrait of Jesus at the centre seeped oil at the same time.
"From 5 June to 6 June, when I was in Adelaide, South Australia, my rosary bead, which had shedding oil and put in a small box and was used for my night prayer, once again started shedding oil with a strong smell of roses," Fr Nguyen said.
"I showed it to many people for venerated kissing."
The website was translated into English by a Catholic Church commission of inquiry into several religious artefacts said to have seeped oil at the centre.
The inquiry focused its attention on a 60cm statue of Mary.
It tested no further artefacts after the discovery of "two fine holes in the statue" through which a "syringe could be used to introduce a liquid".
Fr Nguyen told the inquiry his rosary beads had first shed oil on May 16 and were from Fatima in Portugal – the site of an official miracle in 1917 involving a vision of the Virgin Mary.
He reported seven strange phenomena in the three weeks following the start of the inquiry on May 31.
Chief among them was that of a small crucifix leaking oil in the centre's sacristy – a secure place where sacred vessels are kept.
Fr Nguyen said the "miracle" occurred at a time when inquiry head the Rev Dr Adrian Farrelly "sent a letter to all witnesses asking them to report what did they see, smell".
"I would like to report the miracle to all the Vietnamese Catholics, whether in Brisbane or other states," he said.
Fr Nguyen also told of a statue of Jesus that seeped rose-scented oil on June 16 and two days later seeped oil that "looked like blood".
About 4000 pilgrims flocked to the centre each weekend, including many sick and elderly people.
Catholic Archbishop John Bathersby said yesterday that he was still awaiting a report on how much money had been raised by the centre through the sale of religious artefacts.
Archbishop Bathersby said he was told the money had been put into a poverty account for use in Africa and Vietnam.
The Courier-Mail
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This page has quite a few interesting news links re: weeping statues from the past couple of years e.g.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2775461.stm
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Blood tested from Icons found unique in world-wide data bank
Images of the Madonna and Jesus shed blood and the scientists say:
"AN EXTRAORDINARY AND AMAZING PHENOMENON"
Note: This English translation was made from a French translation of the original Italian document. You can view the Italian document at http://www.mariadinazareth.it/Immagini% ... obello.htm which has photos of the event and the French document at http://www.jnsr.be/ at Le Secret de Marie révélé. We are endeavoring to confirm details with Italian authorities; consider this a very initial report. It was signed at the bottom by well-known author Renzo Allegri
Every now and then one reads in the news that some Image of the Madonna is weeping. Sometimes these tears are blood and the news are then much more impressive. The skeptics smile; the ecclesiastical authorities evaluate the event with great prudence, with good reason, and they avoid making definite judgments; science does not get involved, and if it does, it is at the level practiced by amateurs. Then, as time passes, the event becomes less interesting, fades from memory, and is soon forgotten. Only in very rare cases is the event of such importance that it is acknowledged as true and real and is then certified as authentic and of a supernatural origin. An example is the research that was carried out on the "Weeping Madonna of Syracuse." [It was declared authentic and of supernatural origin.]
We will now tell you of a recent similar event, still unknown, which reveals itself to be truly astounding because the first judgment released came from science, science at the highest level, a judgment that opens viewpoints to amazing hypotheses.
The event involves two Sacred Icons that shed tears of blood on two separate occasions. The two Icons belong to Padre Pietro Maria Chiriatti, 59 years old, a Priest since 1990, founder of a small Congregation called "The Missionnaries of Our Lady of the Quarry," who lives in a modest dwelling in Alberobello, Puglia,Italy. Padre Pietro tells us:
The phenomenon lasted thirty minutes and was witnessed by other persons whom Padre Pietro had immediately called. This event was recorded on video tape. Padre Pietro wiped the blood with a handkerchief and sent it to a laboratory to be tested.
Approximately one year later, on the 27 May 2004, the phenomenon repeated itself on another Icon of Padre Pietro that represents the Face of Jesus as it appears on the Shroud of Turin. This time it was more than a weeping Icon, it was a bloody sweat. The Face of Jesus was striped by seven streaks of blood that trickled down from the forehead, along the cheeks, over the beard, and running over the picture frame of the Icon. Padre Pietro, frightened, called out to all who were in the house to come and see; he then telephoned the police, the parish priest and the doctor. This phenomenon lasted for one and a half hours and was witnessed by about 50 persons.
Once again, Padre Pietro collected some of the blood and sent the sample to the same laboratory where he had previously sent the blood that had appeared on the Face of the Virgin. And it was here, in this scientific laboratory, where the extraordinary characteristics of these related events became known. It must be made very clear that this laboratory is one of the most prestigious in Europe. It is the Genetics Forensic Laboratory of the University of Bologna, equipped with the most modern sophisticated equipment with a team of researchers, doctors and biologists University Professors. This laboratory specializes in everything related to DNA. It works with Secret Services and Police of many nations and is in contact with other similar laboratories of other countries.
This laboratory has Scientific Authority, therefore a verdict released by this laboratory is of indisputable [unquestionable] value.
After carrying out all the tests, the laboratory researchers sent Padre Pietro an official document stating, in resume,
"The blood is human blood, of group AB, male, and was found to be identical in
the two samples tested, the blood from the tears from the Icon of the Virgin
and the blood that appeared of the Face of Jesus are the same." But there is
more, the document continues from its evaluations to something that seems really
incredible: "the configuration of the genetic features found in the Y chromosome
does not correspond to any of the configurations present in the world wide
data bank where the data of 22,000 male subjects from 187 different populations
is kept."
And further on we read:
"This blood is so rare that it must be considered as almost unique.
By calculation, the statistical probability of finding, in the course
of millennia, a typology of the same blood type, is almost nil, the
mathematical probability of this happening is in the order of
1 in 200 billion possible cases."
[In other words 1 on 200,000,000,000.]
What does all this mean? In the first place, the data obtained excludes in an absolute manner any case of fraud, deception or deceit: there is no one in the world who could be in a position to produce blood with similar characteristics. On the other hand, because we are dealing with a unique type of blood, the data indicates that it belongs to only one single Person and to no other person in all of humanity's history. Therefore it comes from a Man who has no ancestor and no descendant [offsprings]. Therefore it becomes quite clear and if we go to the Gospels and see what is written there about Jesus, [we learn there that He was] a Man unlike all others (unique) with these characteristics. While on this subject, it is quite significant that the blood which appeared on the Image of the Virgin is identical to the blood which appeared on the Face of the Image of Jesus. We could say from these results that we possibly could have for the first time ever the scientific data concerning the physical Person of Jesus: the DNA of Jesus, God Incarnated in a Body that is and will remain unique.
It is still too early to arrive at a final conclusion, but the verdict from science is, for all purposes, precise, public and without ambiguity. The scholars [researchers] who released this information did it in a cold [controlled], mathematical, but very clear language. They have specifically affirmed that they found themselves in front of something unique. And they are the ones, accustomed to scientific precision, to show with wonder, the extraordinary nature of these results. In a private letter to Padre Pietro, one of the researchers wrote: "these are results to stun with amazement even a statue." And again: "faced with the results of these analyses is incredible to me, and that is not saying much to say this, I could not even succeed in hiding my tears." And another one told him: "This is real human blood, but it seems to really come from another world."
The ecclesiastical authorities are naturally aware of these facts and are presently investigating and evaluating them. Their prudence [caution] will be tremendous, and with good reason, for it is right that it should be so. But the scientific results lead one to think that we are perhaps faced with a supernatural Sign of exceptional importance.
Renzo Allegri
02/04/05
http://spiritdaily.org/Quickhive%20arti ... astudy.htm
Images of the Madonna and Jesus shed blood and the scientists say:
"AN EXTRAORDINARY AND AMAZING PHENOMENON"
Note: This English translation was made from a French translation of the original Italian document. You can view the Italian document at http://www.mariadinazareth.it/Immagini% ... obello.htm which has photos of the event and the French document at http://www.jnsr.be/ at Le Secret de Marie révélé. We are endeavoring to confirm details with Italian authorities; consider this a very initial report. It was signed at the bottom by well-known author Renzo Allegri
Every now and then one reads in the news that some Image of the Madonna is weeping. Sometimes these tears are blood and the news are then much more impressive. The skeptics smile; the ecclesiastical authorities evaluate the event with great prudence, with good reason, and they avoid making definite judgments; science does not get involved, and if it does, it is at the level practiced by amateurs. Then, as time passes, the event becomes less interesting, fades from memory, and is soon forgotten. Only in very rare cases is the event of such importance that it is acknowledged as true and real and is then certified as authentic and of a supernatural origin. An example is the research that was carried out on the "Weeping Madonna of Syracuse." [It was declared authentic and of supernatural origin.]
We will now tell you of a recent similar event, still unknown, which reveals itself to be truly astounding because the first judgment released came from science, science at the highest level, a judgment that opens viewpoints to amazing hypotheses.
The event involves two Sacred Icons that shed tears of blood on two separate occasions. The two Icons belong to Padre Pietro Maria Chiriatti, 59 years old, a Priest since 1990, founder of a small Congregation called "The Missionnaries of Our Lady of the Quarry," who lives in a modest dwelling in Alberobello, Puglia,Italy. Padre Pietro tells us:
The phenomenon lasted thirty minutes and was witnessed by other persons whom Padre Pietro had immediately called. This event was recorded on video tape. Padre Pietro wiped the blood with a handkerchief and sent it to a laboratory to be tested.
Approximately one year later, on the 27 May 2004, the phenomenon repeated itself on another Icon of Padre Pietro that represents the Face of Jesus as it appears on the Shroud of Turin. This time it was more than a weeping Icon, it was a bloody sweat. The Face of Jesus was striped by seven streaks of blood that trickled down from the forehead, along the cheeks, over the beard, and running over the picture frame of the Icon. Padre Pietro, frightened, called out to all who were in the house to come and see; he then telephoned the police, the parish priest and the doctor. This phenomenon lasted for one and a half hours and was witnessed by about 50 persons.
Once again, Padre Pietro collected some of the blood and sent the sample to the same laboratory where he had previously sent the blood that had appeared on the Face of the Virgin. And it was here, in this scientific laboratory, where the extraordinary characteristics of these related events became known. It must be made very clear that this laboratory is one of the most prestigious in Europe. It is the Genetics Forensic Laboratory of the University of Bologna, equipped with the most modern sophisticated equipment with a team of researchers, doctors and biologists University Professors. This laboratory specializes in everything related to DNA. It works with Secret Services and Police of many nations and is in contact with other similar laboratories of other countries.
This laboratory has Scientific Authority, therefore a verdict released by this laboratory is of indisputable [unquestionable] value.
After carrying out all the tests, the laboratory researchers sent Padre Pietro an official document stating, in resume,
"The blood is human blood, of group AB, male, and was found to be identical in
the two samples tested, the blood from the tears from the Icon of the Virgin
and the blood that appeared of the Face of Jesus are the same." But there is
more, the document continues from its evaluations to something that seems really
incredible: "the configuration of the genetic features found in the Y chromosome
does not correspond to any of the configurations present in the world wide
data bank where the data of 22,000 male subjects from 187 different populations
is kept."
And further on we read:
"This blood is so rare that it must be considered as almost unique.
By calculation, the statistical probability of finding, in the course
of millennia, a typology of the same blood type, is almost nil, the
mathematical probability of this happening is in the order of
1 in 200 billion possible cases."
[In other words 1 on 200,000,000,000.]
What does all this mean? In the first place, the data obtained excludes in an absolute manner any case of fraud, deception or deceit: there is no one in the world who could be in a position to produce blood with similar characteristics. On the other hand, because we are dealing with a unique type of blood, the data indicates that it belongs to only one single Person and to no other person in all of humanity's history. Therefore it comes from a Man who has no ancestor and no descendant [offsprings]. Therefore it becomes quite clear and if we go to the Gospels and see what is written there about Jesus, [we learn there that He was] a Man unlike all others (unique) with these characteristics. While on this subject, it is quite significant that the blood which appeared on the Image of the Virgin is identical to the blood which appeared on the Face of the Image of Jesus. We could say from these results that we possibly could have for the first time ever the scientific data concerning the physical Person of Jesus: the DNA of Jesus, God Incarnated in a Body that is and will remain unique.
It is still too early to arrive at a final conclusion, but the verdict from science is, for all purposes, precise, public and without ambiguity. The scholars [researchers] who released this information did it in a cold [controlled], mathematical, but very clear language. They have specifically affirmed that they found themselves in front of something unique. And they are the ones, accustomed to scientific precision, to show with wonder, the extraordinary nature of these results. In a private letter to Padre Pietro, one of the researchers wrote: "these are results to stun with amazement even a statue." And again: "faced with the results of these analyses is incredible to me, and that is not saying much to say this, I could not even succeed in hiding my tears." And another one told him: "This is real human blood, but it seems to really come from another world."
The ecclesiastical authorities are naturally aware of these facts and are presently investigating and evaluating them. Their prudence [caution] will be tremendous, and with good reason, for it is right that it should be so. But the scientific results lead one to think that we are perhaps faced with a supernatural Sign of exceptional importance.
Renzo Allegri
02/04/05
http://spiritdaily.org/Quickhive%20arti ... astudy.htm
Interesting.. but if the worldwide blood databank only contains data from about 22,000 people from a living total of what? over 5 billion, it's hardly an exhaustive databank. Then again, I'm not exactly a renowned expert in the field of DNA sequencing and blood matching!
To be honest, I didn't even think that it would be real blood, let alone human. Now, if they repeat the test on blood samples taken from other bleeding icons elsewhere in the world rather than just from two belonging to the same person and the blood still matches, then that would be fairly impressive (or an extremely well planned hoax)
Steve.
To be honest, I didn't even think that it would be real blood, let alone human. Now, if they repeat the test on blood samples taken from other bleeding icons elsewhere in the world rather than just from two belonging to the same person and the blood still matches, then that would be fairly impressive (or an extremely well planned hoax)
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Re: Blood tested from Icons found unique in world-wide data
This just isn't true - as other posts here show. Where there is the opportunity to do exhaustive tests they have usually been able to track down the hoaxer. Which is why the "miraculous" results need to be held up to the highest scrutiny. Its unclear from that post what tests they used or if it has been published in a reputable journal.
This might be sufficient for Believers but I suspect most people would want something more concrete.
laci said:
This just isn't true - as other posts here show. Where there is the opportunity to do exhaustive tests they have usually been able to track down the hoaxer. Which is why the "miraculous" results need to be held up to the highest scrutiny. Its unclear from that post what tests they used or if it has been published in a reputable journal.
This might be sufficient for Believers but I suspect most people would want something more concrete.
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i didn't write that - it was part of the article on the tests done on the blood from the icons. I haven't used the 'quote' tool before - sorry.
there are indeed exhaustive tests made on weeping statues and icons, people with stigmata, etc. There are some hoaxes, but there are many that are not hoaxes, which have been 'scientifically unexplainable'. I personally have an icon which is exuding oil, and have witnessed quite a few icons and statues of the Virgin Mary exuding oil. The first thing which is done with such objects, is that it is wiped dry and observed to see if the oil comes back. This is the first step. If it comes back, then further tests are done to see if there is some kind of hoax...
When there is no hoax, often there are other miraculous phenomenon occurring in connection with the object - sometimes someone may receive Messages from the Virgin Mary - for "the World" or for themselves. If they receive messages for the world then there may be a series of Messages received over weeks, months, years.
This is the case, for instance, in Enfield, CT in the US, where a statue of the Virgin Mary began to exude oil and the young man, a recent convert to Christianity who had received the statue as a gift, began to see and hear the Virgin Mary regularly for many years. The statue exuded oil regularly, the aroma of roses appeared in the room, not a static level of rose aroma, but varying moment by moment, increasing, lessening, then increasing intensely - like a "living rose". The Virgin Mary says that roses are connected with her because they are a flower which is a symbol of love and she also is full of love for God and humanity. These particular statues - the Rosa Mystica statue - was made at her request after she appeared under this title. These statues are known around the world for exhibiting various phenomena like exuding oil, blood, and the scent of roses.
I spent about 10 hours about 5 feet away, for the most part, (although i also was in direct contact with the statue as well) from the statue in Enfield on one of the days when the young man was visited by the apparition of the Virgin Mary, and saw the oil continue to appear on the statue, exuding from it on every part, filling up the glass tray it was standing in, which was emptied into bottles, over and over all day.
I was at an all night prayer vigil - the Virgin Mary has asked around the world that people offer nights of prayer, partly, she says, because "there will come nights when no one will be able to sleep" because of the huge events coming to the earth to "purify" it/us , and that we should practice being awake through the night in prayer.
Anyway, at the prayer vigil, an old lady had a Rosa Mystica statue, and she had asked me to come to her home afterward to visit her family members who were all confined to their beds with various handicaps. A gentlemen drove us to her home, the car was full with five of us, i was in the front, she was in the middle in the back, holding the statue on her lap. I asked her, had her statue ever exhibited anything unusual, like weeping or having the aroma of roses appear around it. She said, yes, the rose smell had occurred before - and suddenly the entire car filled with the scent of live rose. We all gasped and then laughed strongly, at the amazing phenomena which accompanies the Virgin Mary's apparitions. I have experienced this scent of live rose in connection with the apparitions many, many times. The scent appears for a moment usually and then is gone, which is not the case if someone has put rose perfume somewhere, for instance. The statue in Enfield was different, throughout the special Apparition Day, the aroma was present in the room with the statue, but it changed constantly and was unlike any "perfume". It was like living roses.
A lady who lives nearby me had her life transformed after an icon of Mary holding the infant Jesus began to exude oil after she was praying in front of it, asking God to heal her so that she would not have to have an operation. She had just come home from her doctor's with a bad prognosis. After she was done praying, she went to the kitchen to call a friend. Her 14 year old son (i filmed an interview with them) said that he was walking through the living room, and a voice inside him said, "Look up". He looked and noticed that the icon was wet. He went closer to it, then called his mother in the kitchen, to tell her the icon was wet. She came in, looked at it, and told him to call his sister who worked at a video store, and tell her to bring a video camera home immediately to film it. Then she called 8 priests from various churches to tell them. The daughter came home first and filmed the icon. The priests arrived one by one - each one wiped the icon dry, and the oil returned. The news reporters arrived in a few days, it was on the news, people began to come from all over, from nearby states (except for the immediate neighbors - they rarely come in these cases - they "know" the family, and can't imagine that "a miracle" could be happening "right next door". As the Bible says, A prophet is never accepted in their home town.).
The oil continued to exude, and bottles and bottles and bottles were filled and taken away. The woman was healed, she did not need the operation. Their home was open 24 hours for the first few weeks, then they had to limit it to 8 AM - 4 AM, so they could get some sleep. Many people came back to say they had experienced miracles with the oil, including a man from Canada who had metastasized throat cancer (he sent photos, and his throat looked like raw meat) and his sister had sent him oil in the mail, and his throat was healed (photos showed this).
There are so many examples of these things, too much to write here. These have been happening for decades, but many more are happening in the last twenty years. The Messages received in connection with these weeping statues/icons has to do with the times we are living in. She said that the world is headed for disaster if it continues in the direction it is going; that it is building a future "without God" and that future cannot stand. The miracles are a sign of the omnipotence of God, and a call that we amend our ways and turn back to Him. There are many of these phenomena which have been scientifically tested, and that have shown "no sign of hoax". (http://www.crystalinks.com/weepingstatues.html, visionsofjesuschrist.com; search engine: Our Lady of Akita, Japan)
The icon i have which is exuding oil, is a copy of an icon in Damascus, Syria which exudes oil now for many years, and thousands of copies of that icon all over the world also exude oil. Mine began to exude oil after i had had it for many years. The oil appeared on the commemoration day of the death of a dearly loved close relative of mine, one year after his death, and brought great solace to all those who knew him. It also is a sign to those who see it, who are familiar with the Damascus Icon, of the authenticity of the events there in Damascus. (search engine: Our Lady of Soufanieh)
I suggest doing a search on these, because there is so much information about these, and others.
I know i can write and write and that still there are those who cannot imagine something like these happening. All i can say, is that i couldn't imagine it either, until it happened to me and until i experienced these things. And now i know that they are real, and i can see by looking at the world around me and at the news, that what She said will be happening, Is happening; and i am glad that i have received this information. I face the future events in a far different way than i otherwise would have, and therefore i hope to give others the same opportunity, by writing about these things here. All i can say to those who criticise or laugh, is that i pray for unbelievers, or as the Virgin Mary says, "those who do not yet know the Love of God", and i know that i was once among these. But for me, seeing was believing, and learning more, since 1986, just brought all the pieces of the puzzle together to reveal the critical and amazing Time in History in which we are now living, Apocalypse Now, and the New Era of Peace on its way in our lifetimes.
i didn't write that - it was part of the article on the tests done on the blood from the icons. I haven't used the 'quote' tool before - sorry.
there are indeed exhaustive tests made on weeping statues and icons, people with stigmata, etc. There are some hoaxes, but there are many that are not hoaxes, which have been 'scientifically unexplainable'. I personally have an icon which is exuding oil, and have witnessed quite a few icons and statues of the Virgin Mary exuding oil. The first thing which is done with such objects, is that it is wiped dry and observed to see if the oil comes back. This is the first step. If it comes back, then further tests are done to see if there is some kind of hoax...
When there is no hoax, often there are other miraculous phenomenon occurring in connection with the object - sometimes someone may receive Messages from the Virgin Mary - for "the World" or for themselves. If they receive messages for the world then there may be a series of Messages received over weeks, months, years.
This is the case, for instance, in Enfield, CT in the US, where a statue of the Virgin Mary began to exude oil and the young man, a recent convert to Christianity who had received the statue as a gift, began to see and hear the Virgin Mary regularly for many years. The statue exuded oil regularly, the aroma of roses appeared in the room, not a static level of rose aroma, but varying moment by moment, increasing, lessening, then increasing intensely - like a "living rose". The Virgin Mary says that roses are connected with her because they are a flower which is a symbol of love and she also is full of love for God and humanity. These particular statues - the Rosa Mystica statue - was made at her request after she appeared under this title. These statues are known around the world for exhibiting various phenomena like exuding oil, blood, and the scent of roses.
I spent about 10 hours about 5 feet away, for the most part, (although i also was in direct contact with the statue as well) from the statue in Enfield on one of the days when the young man was visited by the apparition of the Virgin Mary, and saw the oil continue to appear on the statue, exuding from it on every part, filling up the glass tray it was standing in, which was emptied into bottles, over and over all day.
I was at an all night prayer vigil - the Virgin Mary has asked around the world that people offer nights of prayer, partly, she says, because "there will come nights when no one will be able to sleep" because of the huge events coming to the earth to "purify" it/us , and that we should practice being awake through the night in prayer.
Anyway, at the prayer vigil, an old lady had a Rosa Mystica statue, and she had asked me to come to her home afterward to visit her family members who were all confined to their beds with various handicaps. A gentlemen drove us to her home, the car was full with five of us, i was in the front, she was in the middle in the back, holding the statue on her lap. I asked her, had her statue ever exhibited anything unusual, like weeping or having the aroma of roses appear around it. She said, yes, the rose smell had occurred before - and suddenly the entire car filled with the scent of live rose. We all gasped and then laughed strongly, at the amazing phenomena which accompanies the Virgin Mary's apparitions. I have experienced this scent of live rose in connection with the apparitions many, many times. The scent appears for a moment usually and then is gone, which is not the case if someone has put rose perfume somewhere, for instance. The statue in Enfield was different, throughout the special Apparition Day, the aroma was present in the room with the statue, but it changed constantly and was unlike any "perfume". It was like living roses.
A lady who lives nearby me had her life transformed after an icon of Mary holding the infant Jesus began to exude oil after she was praying in front of it, asking God to heal her so that she would not have to have an operation. She had just come home from her doctor's with a bad prognosis. After she was done praying, she went to the kitchen to call a friend. Her 14 year old son (i filmed an interview with them) said that he was walking through the living room, and a voice inside him said, "Look up". He looked and noticed that the icon was wet. He went closer to it, then called his mother in the kitchen, to tell her the icon was wet. She came in, looked at it, and told him to call his sister who worked at a video store, and tell her to bring a video camera home immediately to film it. Then she called 8 priests from various churches to tell them. The daughter came home first and filmed the icon. The priests arrived one by one - each one wiped the icon dry, and the oil returned. The news reporters arrived in a few days, it was on the news, people began to come from all over, from nearby states (except for the immediate neighbors - they rarely come in these cases - they "know" the family, and can't imagine that "a miracle" could be happening "right next door". As the Bible says, A prophet is never accepted in their home town.).
The oil continued to exude, and bottles and bottles and bottles were filled and taken away. The woman was healed, she did not need the operation. Their home was open 24 hours for the first few weeks, then they had to limit it to 8 AM - 4 AM, so they could get some sleep. Many people came back to say they had experienced miracles with the oil, including a man from Canada who had metastasized throat cancer (he sent photos, and his throat looked like raw meat) and his sister had sent him oil in the mail, and his throat was healed (photos showed this).
There are so many examples of these things, too much to write here. These have been happening for decades, but many more are happening in the last twenty years. The Messages received in connection with these weeping statues/icons has to do with the times we are living in. She said that the world is headed for disaster if it continues in the direction it is going; that it is building a future "without God" and that future cannot stand. The miracles are a sign of the omnipotence of God, and a call that we amend our ways and turn back to Him. There are many of these phenomena which have been scientifically tested, and that have shown "no sign of hoax". (http://www.crystalinks.com/weepingstatues.html, visionsofjesuschrist.com; search engine: Our Lady of Akita, Japan)
The icon i have which is exuding oil, is a copy of an icon in Damascus, Syria which exudes oil now for many years, and thousands of copies of that icon all over the world also exude oil. Mine began to exude oil after i had had it for many years. The oil appeared on the commemoration day of the death of a dearly loved close relative of mine, one year after his death, and brought great solace to all those who knew him. It also is a sign to those who see it, who are familiar with the Damascus Icon, of the authenticity of the events there in Damascus. (search engine: Our Lady of Soufanieh)
I suggest doing a search on these, because there is so much information about these, and others.
I know i can write and write and that still there are those who cannot imagine something like these happening. All i can say, is that i couldn't imagine it either, until it happened to me and until i experienced these things. And now i know that they are real, and i can see by looking at the world around me and at the news, that what She said will be happening, Is happening; and i am glad that i have received this information. I face the future events in a far different way than i otherwise would have, and therefore i hope to give others the same opportunity, by writing about these things here. All i can say to those who criticise or laugh, is that i pray for unbelievers, or as the Virgin Mary says, "those who do not yet know the Love of God", and i know that i was once among these. But for me, seeing was believing, and learning more, since 1986, just brought all the pieces of the puzzle together to reveal the critical and amazing Time in History in which we are now living, Apocalypse Now, and the New Era of Peace on its way in our lifetimes.
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Timble writes: "an amazing range of experiences", and was it my "last fling?" There are many, many more amazing experiences and Types of experiences i would share, but since it takes time to write them down, i'd rather share them with people who can appreciate them. After attempting to explain things a number of times, i see there is no comprehension. It reminds me of the Parable of the person who is sowing seeds onto various types of earth - fertile and infertile....
Life is serious - people may laugh and make snide remarks about drinking and driving, until they cause a car accident that way and end up quadraplegic....then the laughs are over.
The issues i have brought to tell you all about are also of critical importance...if you can't see it now, you will see later. I thought that a website about amazing, supernatural, paranormal, etc. events would be a forum for people who could appreciate these things....but i see that everything is fine, so long as it Isn't Christian. Then suddenly the liberal, expansive, open minds become shut tight squeezing out the last vestige of Light.
The Light shone in the Darkness...the Darkness grasped it not.
Life is serious - people may laugh and make snide remarks about drinking and driving, until they cause a car accident that way and end up quadraplegic....then the laughs are over.
The issues i have brought to tell you all about are also of critical importance...if you can't see it now, you will see later. I thought that a website about amazing, supernatural, paranormal, etc. events would be a forum for people who could appreciate these things....but i see that everything is fine, so long as it Isn't Christian. Then suddenly the liberal, expansive, open minds become shut tight squeezing out the last vestige of Light.
The Light shone in the Darkness...the Darkness grasped it not.
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This holiday in Germany I saw a real weeping statue. It was in the forecourt of a monastery on the way to the Belchen mountain. The statue weeps tears and they collect in the cup of it's hands. I found it a bit depressing:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/uair01/weeping-statue.jpg
Another curious statue was placed near the entrance to the - very nice and friendly - chapel of St. Odilia near Freiburg. Inside the chapel is a spring that is good for the eyes:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/uair01/odilia.jpg
A very impressive statuary of the Biblical creation, showing God creating the heavenly spheres. It's a perfect example of medieval cosmology. (Freiburg Cathedral)
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/uair01/spheres.jpg
And finally a weird decoration on a church. If I see it right, it's an angel with bat's wings.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/uair01/bat-angel.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/uair01/weeping-statue.jpg
Another curious statue was placed near the entrance to the - very nice and friendly - chapel of St. Odilia near Freiburg. Inside the chapel is a spring that is good for the eyes:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/uair01/odilia.jpg
A very impressive statuary of the Biblical creation, showing God creating the heavenly spheres. It's a perfect example of medieval cosmology. (Freiburg Cathedral)
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/uair01/spheres.jpg
And finally a weird decoration on a church. If I see it right, it's an angel with bat's wings.
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e182/uair01/bat-angel.jpg
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Pilgrims besiege church to see 'blood' run from image of Christ
By Simon Caldwell
Last updated at 6:01 PM on 15th June 2010
Thousands of pilgrims have overwhelmed a small church in Argentina after blood was said to be oozing down the face of an image of Jesus Christ.
A red substance was photographed running from the forehead of Jesus and down his cheek in a church depiction of the Last Supper.
Local priest Father Jorge Gandur said the 'ooze comes from one of the wounds on the left side of the forehead of Christ produced by the crown of thorns'.
The stains were first noticed on Friday by two men who had entered the Oratory of the Sacred Heart of Jesus in Yerba Buena, Tucuman province.
The pair reported the substance to Father Gandur, who took samples of the substance to be scientifically tested to see if it was human blood.
After local media were tipped off that the men had seen Christ weeping 'tears of blood' the streets surrounding the church became jammed pilgrims wanting to see the phenomenon for themselves.
Hundreds of people were reported to be crying and praying fervently in at least two streets leading up to the church.
The area has become so congested and the church so crowded that on Sunday priests celebrated Mass in the street outside.
As more people arrived from surrounding provinces, officials of the Archdiocese of Tucuman yesterday urged worshippers to exercise prudence and caution and not to jump to conclusions about the alleged authenticity of the image.
'If this is something wrought by God, it will have continuity, and if it is of men, it will disappear,' Father Gandur said.
'As a priest, at no time have I wished to create false expectations,' he said.
'I am not going to support deceit. Something happened here that divine wisdom will explain in time.'
The Roman Catholic Church is cautious in dealing with claims of so-called 'private revelations' because so many later turn out to be false.
Hundreds have been reported in the last century but only a few are considered to be authentic.
The Vatican has admitted that it believes most are the fruits of the imaginations of the alleged visionaries or the elaborate hoaxes of people seeking to gain financially.
Five years ago, for instance, a statue of St Pìo of Pietrelcina, a 20th century priest commonly known as 'Padre Pio', was said to have wept blood in a church in Marsicovetere, Italy, but tests later showed that the blood belonged to a woman.
Last week Church officials in France rejected the claims of a visionary who said the Virgin Mary was using her as a mouthpiece to speak to the world.
In 2007 the Vatican also aggressively dismissed as 'hysterical' the claims that the Mother of Christ was appearing to a woman in the back garden of her home in Surbiton, Surrey
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... z0r0Ghe9A9
By Simon Caldwell
Last updated at 6:01 PM on 15th June 2010
Thousands of pilgrims have overwhelmed a small church in Argentina after blood was said to be oozing down the face of an image of Jesus Christ.
A red substance was photographed running from the forehead of Jesus and down his cheek in a church depiction of the Last Supper.
Local priest Father Jorge Gandur said the 'ooze comes from one of the wounds on the left side of the forehead of Christ produced by the crown of thorns'.
The stains were first noticed on Friday by two men who had entered the Oratory of the Sacred Heart of Jesus in Yerba Buena, Tucuman province.
The pair reported the substance to Father Gandur, who took samples of the substance to be scientifically tested to see if it was human blood.
After local media were tipped off that the men had seen Christ weeping 'tears of blood' the streets surrounding the church became jammed pilgrims wanting to see the phenomenon for themselves.
Hundreds of people were reported to be crying and praying fervently in at least two streets leading up to the church.
The area has become so congested and the church so crowded that on Sunday priests celebrated Mass in the street outside.
As more people arrived from surrounding provinces, officials of the Archdiocese of Tucuman yesterday urged worshippers to exercise prudence and caution and not to jump to conclusions about the alleged authenticity of the image.
'If this is something wrought by God, it will have continuity, and if it is of men, it will disappear,' Father Gandur said.
'As a priest, at no time have I wished to create false expectations,' he said.
'I am not going to support deceit. Something happened here that divine wisdom will explain in time.'
The Roman Catholic Church is cautious in dealing with claims of so-called 'private revelations' because so many later turn out to be false.
Hundreds have been reported in the last century but only a few are considered to be authentic.
The Vatican has admitted that it believes most are the fruits of the imaginations of the alleged visionaries or the elaborate hoaxes of people seeking to gain financially.
Five years ago, for instance, a statue of St Pìo of Pietrelcina, a 20th century priest commonly known as 'Padre Pio', was said to have wept blood in a church in Marsicovetere, Italy, but tests later showed that the blood belonged to a woman.
Last week Church officials in France rejected the claims of a visionary who said the Virgin Mary was using her as a mouthpiece to speak to the world.
In 2007 the Vatican also aggressively dismissed as 'hysterical' the claims that the Mother of Christ was appearing to a woman in the back garden of her home in Surbiton, Surrey
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... z0r0Ghe9A9
this reminds me of a really creepy episode in emily of new moon where emily is in a church and she imagines a statue to bleed or cry...anyway I'm not christian but I wouldnt believe anything so holy would happen in our time.
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Mysterious red mark on wall of Newport church seen as sign of Jesus
http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20150601/NEWS/150609964/?Start=1
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From that link:
Tin doesn't rust. Maybe what they mean is tinplate, which is steel coated in tin.
Mind you, I've never heard of anybody painting on tinplate. Usually, those paintings were done on wooden boards or sheets of copper.
Why it would be rusting away back there...well, maybe there is rising damp.
Tin doesn't rust. Maybe what they mean is tinplate, which is steel coated in tin.
Mind you, I've never heard of anybody painting on tinplate. Usually, those paintings were done on wooden boards or sheets of copper.
Why it would be rusting away back there...well, maybe there is rising damp.
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10 years too late but I just want to say that this is a steaming pile of bull droppings.
Frideswide, RC, aspiring to live up to her saintly namesake and failing totally and rather hoping that it truly is the thought that counts!
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Why isn't it just rain water? I mean, is it specifically billed as a weeping one?
very medieval imagery - very st lucia, another "eye" saint, great to see it in a modern interpretation.
Just glorious! abso bloody lutely glorious!
could maybe get a better idea of any symbolism beyond standard "angel" (whichever stratum heads and wings are) by looking at the iconography of the same date elsewhere on the building or in the immediate area, or a building known to have the same people involved.
Lovely set of photos uair01, sorry I'm 8 years behind
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Sometimes with old frames the artwork is nailed in with, well nails, which will rust. If they've been set in the plaster there could be anything behind them, who knows. I think they need to call a plumber.
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Yes...could be pipes in the wall...