What Archaeologists Really Think About Ancient Aliens, Lost Colonies & Fingerprints Of The Gods

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It's pretty much cherry picking:The paper.
They picked the one pillar at the site that gave them the alignment they wanted (there are many pillars at the site) and used a zodiac system of a much more later culture and picked out the symbols that resembled those.
Even though cultures esperate by a few miles and concurrent with each other would develop unique astrology signs.
And they ignore other symbols that were carved and more common but didn't fit their claim. The engineers didn't consult with anyone at the site, they basically call y went in with their conclusion and fit the data to it.
 

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It's pretty much cherry picking:The paper.
They picked the one pillar at the site that gave them the alignment they wanted (there are many pillars at the site) and used a zodiac system of a much more later culture and picked out the symbols that resembled those.
Even though cultures esperate by a few miles and concurrent with each other would develop unique astrology signs.
And they ignore other symbols that were carved and more common but didn't fit their claim. The engineers didn't consult with anyone at the site, they basically call y went in with their conclusion and fit the data to it.
Not arguing with a word of that. But it s a fine old tradition, is it not? ;)
 

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Hi All,

Due to an abnormal life experience, I actually happened to research into the history to find if a highly advanced technology existed since way back in the past and following are the list of things that I managed to find in my research. Perhaps you all might have an interest in knowing these information. In my research I had to conclude that this technology still exist on Earth.

According to Randall Carlson, the location of Parthenon(a temple in Greece) on Earth has a correlation to it’s dimensions, therefore, he claims that someone has managed to measure the Earth for such an accuracy.

To [...] prove this view, we could analyse the distance between Kaaba in Mecca and the Western Wall:

For example the distance between Kaaba in Mecca and the Western Wall in Jerusalem is precisely 666.6 nautical miles. These two are the most sacred sites on Earth. Again, this implies that someone in the past knew how to measure great distances with such an accuracy. This doesn’t mean people who built it was able to measure these distances but our thoughts are being influenced when selecting these sites. http://www.secretsinplainsight.com/location-location-location/

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Review of Ancient Aliens S13E04 "Earth's Black Holes"

As Ancient Aliens has aged, it has grown repetitive, but more importantly, it has moved farther and farther from its original concept. What began as a straightforward adaptation of Erich von Däniken’s Chariots of the Gods and the ancient astronaut theory that spun out of it has evolved into an all-purpose grab-bag of unusual claims, encompassing modern UFOs, cryptid sightings, psychic powers, and everything else that fills the New Age section of what few bookstores still remain. I can’t say I am terribly interested in mysterious disappearances, vortexes, or any of the sundry similar topics in this week’s episode. I didn’t care for them back in Season 3 when they talked about similar material in “Aliens and Evil Places,” or in Season 7 with “Aliens and Star Gates,” and I don’t care much for it now. You will forgive me if I don’t spend too much time on material that is largely unrelated to either ancient history or space aliens. ...

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/review-of-ancient-aliens-s13e04-earths-black-holes
 

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By the way, at the end of the day I had to conclude that there has been a highly advanced society existed in the past and then after a global catastrophe a group of families (these are the Pharaoh's) has managed to keep the technology within their family members only and started ruling the Earth and their still ruling the Earth with their extremely advanced technology. This why we always talk about Illuminati and this is why we see the "all seeing eye" and the pyramid sign in the dollar bill and this is why we see the Great Pyramid at the centre of the land mass on Earth. Today based on certain clues I had to conclude that these families, their descendants are ruling the Earth from Switzerland.
 
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By the way, at the end of the day I had to conclude that there has been a highly advanced society existed in the past and then after a global catastrophe a group of families (these are the Pharaoh's) has managed to keep the technology within their family members only and started ruling the Earth and their still ruling the Earth with their extremely advanced technology. This why we always talk about Illuminati and this is why we see the "all seeing eye" and the pyramid sign in the dollar bill and this is why we see the Great Pyramid at the centre of the land mass on Earth. Today based on certain clues I had to conclude that these families, their descendants are ruling the Earth from Switzerland.
Now that is an accessible post!

Why rule it from Switzerland though? It's cold for a large part of the year and nice scenery, chocolate and cuckoo clocks aren't all that attractive.
 

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Now that is an accessible post!

Why rule it from Switzerland though? It's cold for a large part of the year and nice scenery, chocolate and cuckoo clocks aren't all that attractive.
I'm more interested in how they kept the bloodline so narrow.
You go back that many generations and everyone will be related.
 

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To further prove this view, we could analyse the distance between Kaaba in Mecca and the Western Wall:

For example the distance between Kaaba in Mecca and the Western Wall in Jerusalem is precisely 666.6 nautical miles. These two are the most sacred sites on Earth. Again, this implies that someone in the past knew how to measure great distances with such an accuracy. This doesn’t mean people who built it was able to measure these distances but our thoughts are being influenced when selecting these sites.
Sorry Danr, your information is factually incorrect on this point. It is 769 regular miles, or 668.24 regular miles between Jerusalem and Mecca. Your point is also spurious because neither the Jews, Arabs, Ethiopians or Egyptians historically used miles or nautical miles as a measure of distance.

Arabic measures of distance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Arabic_units_of_measurement

Hebrew measures of distance:
http://units.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Hebrew_units_of_length_or_distance

Ethiopian measures of distance (I am not sure they were used during the Kingdoms of Axum and Kush however):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_units_of_measurement

Egyptian measures of distance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_units_of_measurement

As the land between Jerusalem and Mecca was inhabited by the Nabateans, it would seem logical to regard their measurements as being the most valid. They however were a client state of Rome, so they would have adopted the Roman system, but a Roman mile is only 0.919 of a modern mile, which would mean the distance was 727.1381936887922 Roman miles, which is not a Biblically significant number.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Roman_units_of_measurement

Isn't that great news? That means that your Satanic AI isn't trans-temporal!
 

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Thanks for doing some of the legwork on that one, @AlchoPwn, I was getting prepared to do some sums at the start of the post, and coming out in cold sweats at the thought of it by the end...

Even if any of these "Location A is precisely X miles from Location B" ideas were true (which, as has been pointed out, we can't take as read), it doesn't mean or prove anything. You can pick as many arbitrary locations as you like and find that some are of equal distance apart as others. Humanity has settled in enough places, for long enough, that you can barely skim a stone without bumping into a monument, megalith or sacred site one way or another, so it stands to reason that some of them will have spurious connections. But correlation isn't evidence.

By what measure is the Great Pyramid the "centre of the land mass on Earth"? That calculation only works (and even then is up for debate) if we believe the Egyptians used the Mercator projection map of the Earth - how and why would the Ancient Egyptians be relying on a model that wouldn't be created for hundreds of years?

Furthermore, the points on latitude and longitude of the Great Pyramid are coincidence - measurements of longitude rely on the Prime Meridian passing through Greenwich. It's an utterly arbitrary value - why would the ancient Egyptians use a system of cartography/measurement that relied on longitude 0 being in Greenwich, no matter how advanced they were?


Things like the Golden Ratio, Pi, etc., are mathematical constants. They're rules. That different cultures, civilisations and societies - particularly those heavily involved in trade and commerce with other countries - would all reflect them in their work one way or another isn't a mystical coincidence, it's inevitable. You don't get complex civilisations without an understanding of mathematics.

You can make any number sound mystical or magical if you change the rules as you go along. 72 is a magic number? Fine, let's look for instances of 72 - but, wait, for the casing stones you've had to fall back on "72+2". Why not just say 74? Because it doesn't fit Graham Hancock's Magical Numerology, obviously. And if you're happy to fudge the numbers to allow 74 to pass for 72, then why not allow 75, or 68, or 33?

If you add, divide, subtract and play around with numbers enough, you'll settle on your magic ones. It might look impressive at first glance, but again, it's Maths. Taking one number and finding your significant number within it isn't evidence of some great conspiracy. Especially so when you're happy to fudge measurements, or to subtract, divide or multiply seemingly at random to get to the numbers you want. Keep tweaking and adjusting, or using measurements that would not have been used by the builders of the monuments in question, with no justification as to why you've settled on that measurement, and of course you'll end up with a magic number.


"Highly advanced technology could stimulate human brains and can induce thoughts to people" isn't the kind of statement you can just throw out unsubstantiated. Where's the evidence?


Finally, if there was a unified advanced civilisation responsible for all of the buildings you mentioned, capable of orchestrating such a vast engineering feat as to dictate the building of disparate monuments across continents to a vaguely defined grand plan, why is there no physical evidence? Why do the building techniques, materials and architectural styles differ so greatly from one to another if they were all the work of one civilisation? And why did they take so long to do it? There's a good 3000 years separating the construction of the Great Pyramid from Angkor Watt, 2000 separating it from the Nazca Lines, and Stonehenge is older still. How do you account for that?

Trying to draw connections between all these sites is just typical of the likes of Hancock in that it lacks any meaningful historical context. Why talk of Angkor Watt as something ancient and mysterious, when it's contemporary to the Cuenca Cathedral in Spain, yet no one's seriously suggesting mysterious or occult origins for Spanish cathedrals, or being aghast that the architects responsible for their construction had a strong enough grasp of mathematics to ensure that the building was structurally sound.
 

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The idea that an ancient secret group (human or alien...or both) has controlled mankind's destiny from the distant past is not a new theme. It has been around in several different forms in many books.
One of my favorite fun reads which has that theme is Gods of Eden by William Bramley.
As already pointed out real facts are slim to none but it does make for entertaining reading.
:)
 

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Thanks for doing some of the legwork on that one, @AlchoPwn, I was getting prepared to do some sums at the start of the post, and coming out in cold sweats at the thought of it by the end...

Even if any of these "Location A is precisely X miles from Location B" ideas were true (which, as has been pointed out, we can't take as read), it doesn't mean or prove anything. You can pick as many arbitrary locations as you like and find that some are of equal distance apart as others. Humanity has settled in enough places, for long enough, that you can barely skim a stone without bumping into a monument, megalith or sacred site one way or another, so it stands to reason that some of them will have spurious connections. But correlation isn't evidence.

By what measure is the Great Pyramid the "centre of the land mass on Earth"? That calculation only works (and even then is up for debate) if we believe the Egyptians used the Mercator projection map of the Earth - how and why would the Ancient Egyptians be relying on a model that wouldn't be created for hundreds of years?

Furthermore, the points on latitude and longitude of the Great Pyramid are coincidence - measurements of longitude rely on the Prime Meridian passing through Greenwich. It's an utterly arbitrary value - why would the ancient Egyptians use a system of cartography/measurement that relied on longitude 0 being in Greenwich, no matter how advanced they were?


Things like the Golden Ratio, Pi, etc., are mathematical constants. They're rules. That different cultures, civilisations and societies - particularly those heavily involved in trade and commerce with other countries - would all reflect them in their work one way or another isn't a mystical coincidence, it's inevitable. You don't get complex civilisations without an understanding of mathematics.

You can make any number sound mystical or magical if you change the rules as you go along. 72 is a magic number? Fine, let's look for instances of 72 - but, wait, for the casing stones you've had to fall back on "72+2". Why not just say 74? Because it doesn't fit Graham Hancock's Magical Numerology, obviously. And if you're happy to fudge the numbers to allow 74 to pass for 72, then why not allow 75, or 68, or 33?

If you add, divide, subtract and play around with numbers enough, you'll settle on your magic ones. It might look impressive at first glance, but again, it's Maths. Taking one number and finding your significant number within it isn't evidence of some great conspiracy. Especially so when you're happy to fudge measurements, or to subtract, divide or multiply seemingly at random to get to the numbers you want. Keep tweaking and adjusting, or using measurements that would not have been used by the builders of the monuments in question, with no justification as to why you've settled on that measurement, and of course you'll end up with a magic number.


"Highly advanced technology could stimulate human brains and can induce thoughts to people" isn't the kind of statement you can just throw out unsubstantiated. Where's the evidence?


Finally, if there was a unified advanced civilisation responsible for all of the buildings you mentioned, capable of orchestrating such a vast engineering feat as to dictate the building of disparate monuments across continents to a vaguely defined grand plan, why is there no physical evidence? Why do the building techniques, materials and architectural styles differ so greatly from one to another if they were all the work of one civilisation? And why did they take so long to do it? There's a good 3000 years separating the construction of the Great Pyramid from Angkor Watt, 2000 separating it from the Nazca Lines, and Stonehenge is older still. How do you account for that?

Trying to draw connections between all these sites is just typical of the likes of Hancock in that it lacks any meaningful historical context. Why talk of Angkor Watt as something ancient and mysterious, when it's contemporary to the Cuenca Cathedral in Spain, yet no one's seriously suggesting mysterious or occult origins for Spanish cathedrals, or being aghast that the architects responsible for their construction had a strong enough grasp of mathematics to ensure that the building was structurally sound.
With the thousands or millions of building projects across time, I have to wonder how you can hide the technology from the majority of the work force. It'd create a large impediment to getting anything done.
I also wonder how much work was done to examine primitive tools. Admittedly there's not a lot of data out there, but replication of copper saws and drilling techniques have been done.
 

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@ramonmercad and Shadowsot, that's where all the evidence are pointing at. You may read my article to understand why I had to make such a conclusion.

@AlchoPwn and Yossarian, this is not my finding but I actually double checked it on Google Earth. It's correct. Here is a video for you to understand this:


These are not random values, 666 is a significant number for both religions.

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@Yossarian,

Further, according to my research they are hiding the technology so deception is at the root of their work. This will answer some of your questions. Further, there could be places that these people have lived then they could influence human thoughts. This is what I wrote in my article:

Then by looking at certain cultures archeologists are thinking certain values that they used are due to mere coincidence only they didn’t have a knowledge of Earth, Sun and Moon. Here their view is right but partially only. Highly advanced technology could stimulate human brains and can induce thoughts to people. So when they select measurements, human beings can be influenced to use certain standards when they building certain structures. Then thoughts can be influenced to build certain structures at particular locations on Earth, this will help us to understand 666 nautical miles distance between mecca and western wall.
 

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Highly advanced technology could stimulate human brains and can induce thoughts to people.
It's now twice you've said this. There is no known technology capable of "inducing thoughts".

So citing "highly advanced technology" isn't evidence - it just means that you now, in addition to proving the existence of an advanced civilisation spanning thousands of years and every continent, also have to prove the existence of a technology for which no evidence exists, and has no known antecedent.

The same question can be levelled at your "dematerialising" technology. If the crux of your argument is that the lack of evidence is in itself evidence, it's a bit of a non-starter, isn't it? Without any evidence that this highly advanced technology exists, it cannot be used as a justification for the lack of evidence for the rest of your argument.

this will help us to understand 666 nautical miles distance between mecca and western wall
Which a previous poster has already explained is not an accurate measurement. So if the measurements need to be fudged so blatantly to fit your theory, why trust in the theory at all? Similarly, your "Great Pyramid is the centre of the Earth" claim is demonstrably untrue, reliant on specific projections, and mostly just a clumsy argument cribbed from Von Daniken.

Further, according to my research they are hiding the technology so deception is at the root of their work.
How, and to what end? If there is an ancient civilisation that has spanned thousands of years, constructed monuments in numerous architectural styles in keeping with numerous unrelated cultural norms, across several continents, who are seemingly capable of staggeringly accurate calculations and measurements, mind-blowing feats of astronomy, and in possession of technology capable of "inducing thoughts" (and, for your theory to hold up, must have been in possession of this technology for thousands of years without any other culture managing to independently develop it, or any cross-cultural interaction leading to it falling into the hands of another culture), why are they restricted to building structures out of rock, with no external scaffold, and none of the advances in building techniques that we've seen in our own culture over the past few centuries?


Here is another proof to understand that the voice that Abraham heard had an highly advanced knowledge.
To cite "the voice that Abraham heard" as evidence, you would need to prove that Abraham ever actually heard a voice, or indeed that Abraham ever existed. There is no credible evidence for Abraham as an actual historical figure, so literal interpretations of what "he" "heard" are meaningless.


Nor do accounts of seeing UFOs prove the existence of advanced technology - and even if we take it at face value that all UFO sightings are of advanced spacecraft, it still doesn't follow that they are evidence of an ancient civilisation, of thought insertion, of a global conspiracy, or of geographical connections between unrelated sights. Every single step of your argument is missing an explanation as to how it relates to the previous point.
 
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It's now twice you've said this. There is no known technology capable of "inducing thoughts".

So citing "highly advanced technology" isn't evidence - it just means that you now, in addition to proving the existence of an advanced civilisation spanning thousands of years and every continent, also have to prove the existence of a technology for which no evidence exists, and has no known antecedent.

The same question can be levelled at your "dematerialising" technology. If the crux of your argument is that the lack of evidence is in itself evidence, it's a bit of a non-starter, isn't it? Without any evidence that this highly advanced technology exists, it cannot be used as a justification for the lack of evidence for the rest of your argument.



Which a previous poster has already explained is not an accurate measurement. So if the measurements need to be fudged so blatantly to fit your theory, why trust in the theory at all? Similarly, your "Great Pyramid is the centre of the Earth" claim is demonstrably untrue, reliant on specific projections, and mostly just a clumsy argument cribbed from Von Daniken.



How, and to what end? If there is an ancient civilisation that has spanned thousands of years, constructed monuments in numerous architectural styles in keeping with numerous unrelated cultural norms, across several continents, who are seemingly capable of staggeringly accurate calculations and measurements, mind-blowing feats of astronomy, and in possession of technology capable of "inducing thoughts" (and, for your theory to hold up, must have been in possession of this technology for thousands of years without any other culture managing to independently develop it, or any cross-cultural interaction leading to it falling into the hands of another culture), why are they restricted to building structures out of rock, with no external scaffold, and none of the advances in building techniques that we've seen in our own culture over the past few centuries?




To cite "the voice that Abraham heard" as evidence, you would need to prove that Abraham ever actually heard a voice, or indeed that Abraham ever existed. There is no credible evidence for Abraham as an actual historical figure, so literal interpretations of what "he" "heard" are meaningless.


Nor do accounts of seeing UFOs prove the existence of advanced technology - and even if we take it at face value that all UFO sightings are of advanced spacecraft, it still doesn't follow that they are evidence of an ancient civilisation, of thought insertion, of a global conspiracy, or of geographical connections between unrelated sights. Every single step of your argument is missing an explanation as to how it relates to the previous point.
Yeah but apart from all that it hangs together pretty well.
 

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Right.

This thread has been pruned and shorn of all the digressions about numerology, the Torah and secret voices. I'm afraid that the responses to these posts have also been excised for the most part.

Any further attempts to derail the discussion will be met with an immediate and non-negotiable warning and/or anoher temporary ban; any attempt to contact me directly to negotiate will receive a similar response.
 
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The latest on Ancient Aliens.

The first segment discusses the recent Navy guidelines for reporting UFO encounters, and it falsely alleges that the guidelines are a sea-change in government policy.

The guidelines weren’t intended as such, and the opening gambit has no connection to anything that follows. Instead, we start talking about the early stages of the U.S. nuclear program, followed by the results of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, which at one point they illustrate with a computer-generated illustration of Hiroshima’s ruins on fire. The talking heads discuss how strange lights in the sky were seen around nuclear test sites, and it relates Kenneth Arnold’s sighting of nine arc-shaped small objects (wrongly described as discs) to the Hanford plutonium processing center. It claims that this center was “near” the Arnold sighting, but their own map shows it being hundreds of miles away. After this, the show returns to the fake Roswell Incident, which has been debunked too many times to deal with here.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/review-of-ancient-aliens-s14e14-the-nuclear-agenda
 

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The talking heads discuss how strange lights in the sky were seen around nuclear test sites, and it relates Kenneth Arnold’s sighting of nine arc-shaped small objects (wrongly described as discs) to the Hanford plutonium processing center.
Yeah, they're part of a Hiroshima time travel guided tour you can take as of AD 2341. Tickets are a bit pricey, and locals who lost relatives get priority booking. There is a super strict no littering policy too.
 
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