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Ancient Marvels: Skillful Humans Or Helpful Aliens?

By the way, at the end of the day I had to conclude that there has been a highly advanced society existed in the past and then after a global catastrophe a group of families (these are the Pharaoh's) has managed to keep the technology within their family members only and started ruling the Earth and their still ruling the Earth with their extremely advanced technology. This why we always talk about Illuminati and this is why we see the "all seeing eye" and the pyramid sign in the dollar bill and this is why we see the Great Pyramid at the centre of the land mass on Earth. Today based on certain clues I had to conclude that these families, their descendants are ruling the Earth from Switzerland.

Now that is an accessible post!

Why rule it from Switzerland though? It's cold for a large part of the year and nice scenery, chocolate and cuckoo clocks aren't all that attractive.
 
Now that is an accessible post!

Why rule it from Switzerland though? It's cold for a large part of the year and nice scenery, chocolate and cuckoo clocks aren't all that attractive.
I'm more interested in how they kept the bloodline so narrow.
You go back that many generations and everyone will be related.
 
To further prove this view, we could analyse the distance between Kaaba in Mecca and the Western Wall:

For example the distance between Kaaba in Mecca and the Western Wall in Jerusalem is precisely 666.6 nautical miles. These two are the most sacred sites on Earth. Again, this implies that someone in the past knew how to measure great distances with such an accuracy. This doesn’t mean people who built it was able to measure these distances but our thoughts are being influenced when selecting these sites.

Sorry Danr, your information is factually incorrect on this point. It is 769 regular miles, or 668.24 regular miles between Jerusalem and Mecca. Your point is also spurious because neither the Jews, Arabs, Ethiopians or Egyptians historically used miles or nautical miles as a measure of distance.

Arabic measures of distance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Arabic_units_of_measurement

Hebrew measures of distance:
http://units.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Hebrew_units_of_length_or_distance

Ethiopian measures of distance (I am not sure they were used during the Kingdoms of Axum and Kush however):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_units_of_measurement

Egyptian measures of distance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_units_of_measurement

As the land between Jerusalem and Mecca was inhabited by the Nabateans, it would seem logical to regard their measurements as being the most valid. They however were a client state of Rome, so they would have adopted the Roman system, but a Roman mile is only 0.919 of a modern mile, which would mean the distance was 727.1381936887922 Roman miles, which is not a Biblically significant number.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Roman_units_of_measurement

Isn't that great news? That means that your Satanic AI isn't trans-temporal!
 
Thanks for doing some of the legwork on that one, @AlchoPwn, I was getting prepared to do some sums at the start of the post, and coming out in cold sweats at the thought of it by the end...

Even if any of these "Location A is precisely X miles from Location B" ideas were true (which, as has been pointed out, we can't take as read), it doesn't mean or prove anything. You can pick as many arbitrary locations as you like and find that some are of equal distance apart as others. Humanity has settled in enough places, for long enough, that you can barely skim a stone without bumping into a monument, megalith or sacred site one way or another, so it stands to reason that some of them will have spurious connections. But correlation isn't evidence.

By what measure is the Great Pyramid the "centre of the land mass on Earth"? That calculation only works (and even then is up for debate) if we believe the Egyptians used the Mercator projection map of the Earth - how and why would the Ancient Egyptians be relying on a model that wouldn't be created for hundreds of years?

Furthermore, the points on latitude and longitude of the Great Pyramid are coincidence - measurements of longitude rely on the Prime Meridian passing through Greenwich. It's an utterly arbitrary value - why would the ancient Egyptians use a system of cartography/measurement that relied on longitude 0 being in Greenwich, no matter how advanced they were?


Things like the Golden Ratio, Pi, etc., are mathematical constants. They're rules. That different cultures, civilisations and societies - particularly those heavily involved in trade and commerce with other countries - would all reflect them in their work one way or another isn't a mystical coincidence, it's inevitable. You don't get complex civilisations without an understanding of mathematics.

You can make any number sound mystical or magical if you change the rules as you go along. 72 is a magic number? Fine, let's look for instances of 72 - but, wait, for the casing stones you've had to fall back on "72+2". Why not just say 74? Because it doesn't fit Graham Hancock's Magical Numerology, obviously. And if you're happy to fudge the numbers to allow 74 to pass for 72, then why not allow 75, or 68, or 33?

If you add, divide, subtract and play around with numbers enough, you'll settle on your magic ones. It might look impressive at first glance, but again, it's Maths. Taking one number and finding your significant number within it isn't evidence of some great conspiracy. Especially so when you're happy to fudge measurements, or to subtract, divide or multiply seemingly at random to get to the numbers you want. Keep tweaking and adjusting, or using measurements that would not have been used by the builders of the monuments in question, with no justification as to why you've settled on that measurement, and of course you'll end up with a magic number.


"Highly advanced technology could stimulate human brains and can induce thoughts to people" isn't the kind of statement you can just throw out unsubstantiated. Where's the evidence?


Finally, if there was a unified advanced civilisation responsible for all of the buildings you mentioned, capable of orchestrating such a vast engineering feat as to dictate the building of disparate monuments across continents to a vaguely defined grand plan, why is there no physical evidence? Why do the building techniques, materials and architectural styles differ so greatly from one to another if they were all the work of one civilisation? And why did they take so long to do it? There's a good 3000 years separating the construction of the Great Pyramid from Angkor Watt, 2000 separating it from the Nazca Lines, and Stonehenge is older still. How do you account for that?

Trying to draw connections between all these sites is just typical of the likes of Hancock in that it lacks any meaningful historical context. Why talk of Angkor Watt as something ancient and mysterious, when it's contemporary to the Cuenca Cathedral in Spain, yet no one's seriously suggesting mysterious or occult origins for Spanish cathedrals, or being aghast that the architects responsible for their construction had a strong enough grasp of mathematics to ensure that the building was structurally sound.
 
The idea that an ancient secret group (human or alien...or both) has controlled mankind's destiny from the distant past is not a new theme. It has been around in several different forms in many books.
One of my favorite fun reads which has that theme is Gods of Eden by William Bramley.
As already pointed out real facts are slim to none but it does make for entertaining reading.
:)
 
Thanks for doing some of the legwork on that one, @AlchoPwn, I was getting prepared to do some sums at the start of the post, and coming out in cold sweats at the thought of it by the end...

Even if any of these "Location A is precisely X miles from Location B" ideas were true (which, as has been pointed out, we can't take as read), it doesn't mean or prove anything. You can pick as many arbitrary locations as you like and find that some are of equal distance apart as others. Humanity has settled in enough places, for long enough, that you can barely skim a stone without bumping into a monument, megalith or sacred site one way or another, so it stands to reason that some of them will have spurious connections. But correlation isn't evidence.

By what measure is the Great Pyramid the "centre of the land mass on Earth"? That calculation only works (and even then is up for debate) if we believe the Egyptians used the Mercator projection map of the Earth - how and why would the Ancient Egyptians be relying on a model that wouldn't be created for hundreds of years?

Furthermore, the points on latitude and longitude of the Great Pyramid are coincidence - measurements of longitude rely on the Prime Meridian passing through Greenwich. It's an utterly arbitrary value - why would the ancient Egyptians use a system of cartography/measurement that relied on longitude 0 being in Greenwich, no matter how advanced they were?


Things like the Golden Ratio, Pi, etc., are mathematical constants. They're rules. That different cultures, civilisations and societies - particularly those heavily involved in trade and commerce with other countries - would all reflect them in their work one way or another isn't a mystical coincidence, it's inevitable. You don't get complex civilisations without an understanding of mathematics.

You can make any number sound mystical or magical if you change the rules as you go along. 72 is a magic number? Fine, let's look for instances of 72 - but, wait, for the casing stones you've had to fall back on "72+2". Why not just say 74? Because it doesn't fit Graham Hancock's Magical Numerology, obviously. And if you're happy to fudge the numbers to allow 74 to pass for 72, then why not allow 75, or 68, or 33?

If you add, divide, subtract and play around with numbers enough, you'll settle on your magic ones. It might look impressive at first glance, but again, it's Maths. Taking one number and finding your significant number within it isn't evidence of some great conspiracy. Especially so when you're happy to fudge measurements, or to subtract, divide or multiply seemingly at random to get to the numbers you want. Keep tweaking and adjusting, or using measurements that would not have been used by the builders of the monuments in question, with no justification as to why you've settled on that measurement, and of course you'll end up with a magic number.


"Highly advanced technology could stimulate human brains and can induce thoughts to people" isn't the kind of statement you can just throw out unsubstantiated. Where's the evidence?


Finally, if there was a unified advanced civilisation responsible for all of the buildings you mentioned, capable of orchestrating such a vast engineering feat as to dictate the building of disparate monuments across continents to a vaguely defined grand plan, why is there no physical evidence? Why do the building techniques, materials and architectural styles differ so greatly from one to another if they were all the work of one civilisation? And why did they take so long to do it? There's a good 3000 years separating the construction of the Great Pyramid from Angkor Watt, 2000 separating it from the Nazca Lines, and Stonehenge is older still. How do you account for that?

Trying to draw connections between all these sites is just typical of the likes of Hancock in that it lacks any meaningful historical context. Why talk of Angkor Watt as something ancient and mysterious, when it's contemporary to the Cuenca Cathedral in Spain, yet no one's seriously suggesting mysterious or occult origins for Spanish cathedrals, or being aghast that the architects responsible for their construction had a strong enough grasp of mathematics to ensure that the building was structurally sound.
With the thousands or millions of building projects across time, I have to wonder how you can hide the technology from the majority of the work force. It'd create a large impediment to getting anything done.
I also wonder how much work was done to examine primitive tools. Admittedly there's not a lot of data out there, but replication of copper saws and drilling techniques have been done.
 
@ramonmercad and Shadowsot, that's where all the evidence are pointing at. You may read my article to understand why I had to make such a conclusion.

@AlchoPwn and Yossarian, this is not my finding but I actually double checked it on Google Earth. It's correct. Here is a video for you to understand this:


These are not random values, 666 is a significant number for both religions.

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@Yossarian,

Further, according to my research they are hiding the technology so deception is at the root of their work. This will answer some of your questions. Further, there could be places that these people have lived then they could influence human thoughts. This is what I wrote in my article:

Then by looking at certain cultures archeologists are thinking certain values that they used are due to mere coincidence only they didn’t have a knowledge of Earth, Sun and Moon. Here their view is right but partially only. Highly advanced technology could stimulate human brains and can induce thoughts to people. So when they select measurements, human beings can be influenced to use certain standards when they building certain structures. Then thoughts can be influenced to build certain structures at particular locations on Earth, this will help us to understand 666 nautical miles distance between mecca and western wall.
 
Highly advanced technology could stimulate human brains and can induce thoughts to people.

It's now twice you've said this. There is no known technology capable of "inducing thoughts".

So citing "highly advanced technology" isn't evidence - it just means that you now, in addition to proving the existence of an advanced civilisation spanning thousands of years and every continent, also have to prove the existence of a technology for which no evidence exists, and has no known antecedent.

The same question can be levelled at your "dematerialising" technology. If the crux of your argument is that the lack of evidence is in itself evidence, it's a bit of a non-starter, isn't it? Without any evidence that this highly advanced technology exists, it cannot be used as a justification for the lack of evidence for the rest of your argument.

this will help us to understand 666 nautical miles distance between mecca and western wall

Which a previous poster has already explained is not an accurate measurement. So if the measurements need to be fudged so blatantly to fit your theory, why trust in the theory at all? Similarly, your "Great Pyramid is the centre of the Earth" claim is demonstrably untrue, reliant on specific projections, and mostly just a clumsy argument cribbed from Von Daniken.

Further, according to my research they are hiding the technology so deception is at the root of their work.

How, and to what end? If there is an ancient civilisation that has spanned thousands of years, constructed monuments in numerous architectural styles in keeping with numerous unrelated cultural norms, across several continents, who are seemingly capable of staggeringly accurate calculations and measurements, mind-blowing feats of astronomy, and in possession of technology capable of "inducing thoughts" (and, for your theory to hold up, must have been in possession of this technology for thousands of years without any other culture managing to independently develop it, or any cross-cultural interaction leading to it falling into the hands of another culture), why are they restricted to building structures out of rock, with no external scaffold, and none of the advances in building techniques that we've seen in our own culture over the past few centuries?


Here is another proof to understand that the voice that Abraham heard had an highly advanced knowledge.

To cite "the voice that Abraham heard" as evidence, you would need to prove that Abraham ever actually heard a voice, or indeed that Abraham ever existed. There is no credible evidence for Abraham as an actual historical figure, so literal interpretations of what "he" "heard" are meaningless.


Nor do accounts of seeing UFOs prove the existence of advanced technology - and even if we take it at face value that all UFO sightings are of advanced spacecraft, it still doesn't follow that they are evidence of an ancient civilisation, of thought insertion, of a global conspiracy, or of geographical connections between unrelated sights. Every single step of your argument is missing an explanation as to how it relates to the previous point.
 
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It's now twice you've said this. There is no known technology capable of "inducing thoughts".

So citing "highly advanced technology" isn't evidence - it just means that you now, in addition to proving the existence of an advanced civilisation spanning thousands of years and every continent, also have to prove the existence of a technology for which no evidence exists, and has no known antecedent.

The same question can be levelled at your "dematerialising" technology. If the crux of your argument is that the lack of evidence is in itself evidence, it's a bit of a non-starter, isn't it? Without any evidence that this highly advanced technology exists, it cannot be used as a justification for the lack of evidence for the rest of your argument.



Which a previous poster has already explained is not an accurate measurement. So if the measurements need to be fudged so blatantly to fit your theory, why trust in the theory at all? Similarly, your "Great Pyramid is the centre of the Earth" claim is demonstrably untrue, reliant on specific projections, and mostly just a clumsy argument cribbed from Von Daniken.



How, and to what end? If there is an ancient civilisation that has spanned thousands of years, constructed monuments in numerous architectural styles in keeping with numerous unrelated cultural norms, across several continents, who are seemingly capable of staggeringly accurate calculations and measurements, mind-blowing feats of astronomy, and in possession of technology capable of "inducing thoughts" (and, for your theory to hold up, must have been in possession of this technology for thousands of years without any other culture managing to independently develop it, or any cross-cultural interaction leading to it falling into the hands of another culture), why are they restricted to building structures out of rock, with no external scaffold, and none of the advances in building techniques that we've seen in our own culture over the past few centuries?




To cite "the voice that Abraham heard" as evidence, you would need to prove that Abraham ever actually heard a voice, or indeed that Abraham ever existed. There is no credible evidence for Abraham as an actual historical figure, so literal interpretations of what "he" "heard" are meaningless.


Nor do accounts of seeing UFOs prove the existence of advanced technology - and even if we take it at face value that all UFO sightings are of advanced spacecraft, it still doesn't follow that they are evidence of an ancient civilisation, of thought insertion, of a global conspiracy, or of geographical connections between unrelated sights. Every single step of your argument is missing an explanation as to how it relates to the previous point.

Yeah but apart from all that it hangs together pretty well.
 
Right.

This thread has been pruned and shorn of all the digressions about numerology, the Torah and secret voices. I'm afraid that the responses to these posts have also been excised for the most part.

Any further attempts to derail the discussion will be met with an immediate and non-negotiable warning and/or anoher temporary ban; any attempt to contact me directly to negotiate will receive a similar response.
 
The latest on Ancient Aliens.

The first segment discusses the recent Navy guidelines for reporting UFO encounters, and it falsely alleges that the guidelines are a sea-change in government policy.

The guidelines weren’t intended as such, and the opening gambit has no connection to anything that follows. Instead, we start talking about the early stages of the U.S. nuclear program, followed by the results of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings, which at one point they illustrate with a computer-generated illustration of Hiroshima’s ruins on fire. The talking heads discuss how strange lights in the sky were seen around nuclear test sites, and it relates Kenneth Arnold’s sighting of nine arc-shaped small objects (wrongly described as discs) to the Hanford plutonium processing center. It claims that this center was “near” the Arnold sighting, but their own map shows it being hundreds of miles away. After this, the show returns to the fake Roswell Incident, which has been debunked too many times to deal with here.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/review-of-ancient-aliens-s14e14-the-nuclear-agenda
 
The talking heads discuss how strange lights in the sky were seen around nuclear test sites, and it relates Kenneth Arnold’s sighting of nine arc-shaped small objects (wrongly described as discs) to the Hanford plutonium processing center.
Yeah, they're part of a Hiroshima time travel guided tour you can take as of AD 2341. Tickets are a bit pricey, and locals who lost relatives get priority booking. There is a super strict no littering policy too.
 
Do you support Erich Von Daniken’s belief that ancient aliens built impossible structures of huge stones weighing several

tons, and UFOs and aliens here been on earth for thousands of years ?

I believe Von Daniken is correct.

I know the truth, and it will come out.

I know I could be dead by then.
 
Do you support Erich Von Daniken’s belief that ancient aliens built impossible structures of huge stones weighing several

tons, and UFOs and aliens here been on earth for thousands of years ?

I believe Von Daniken is correct.

I know the truth, and it will come out.

I know I could be dead by then.
Personally, I don't believe in the theories espoused by the Ancient Aliens crowd. I have a keen interest in ancient civilisations as many others here do as well, and I spend a lot of time trying to re-create historic objects and figure out the construction of ancient armour. So, I feel they offend the ancients, misinterpret ancient iconography and epigraphy and simultaneously injure UFOlogy with their misguided ideas. On the other hand, I don't see why the ancients couldn't see UFOs and interact with them as well --perhaps more so. Once the dates for them are pushed back before humans were in the air, and that was done a long time ago. But I don't believe that aliens helped build the pyramids or any other ancient structure that I know of. But I don't see why they couldn't leave a record in ancient art, and perhaps they did. My opinion.
 
How did the Egyptians light the inside of pyramids ?

No carbon traces have been found ?

In fact it is only guessing how the pyramids were built ?
 
How did the Egyptians light the inside of pyramids ?

No carbon traces have been found ?

In fact it is only guessing how the pyramids were built ?
This is the latest theory and most likely way the Great Pyramid was built, inn my opinion:
The thing folks need to remember is that there were a number of failed (and successful) attempts at pyramid building before the engineers worked things out. Ultimately they were able to build the Great Pyramid. A log book, has recently come to light in the last few years that throws light on the transport of blocks of stone, iirc. You can see how they did a lot of things in their art --moving obelisks, and raising them, etc. They were an amazing bunch of people.
I think recent tests have shown that the Egyptians could purify oil and add salt to reduce smoke; perhaps they had folks scrub soot from areas --I'm not sure that one has fully been worked out 0--because the polished mirror theory didn't work in practice.

All that spouted, I think that Khufu's treasure and sarcophagus is probably still intact in the Great Pyramid.
 
I think I recall a 'mythbusters' episode in which they showed how a series of mirrored surfaces could direct light into the tunnels inside pyramids.
That's the one! but the light failed to illuminate squat after about three reflections, iirc..:(
 
This thread was about The Pentagon and the ufo enigma though it has strayed into related ufo aspects.
So... regarding charliebrown's question on ancient aliens, I do not believe aliens helped mankind build ancient structures. There simply isn't anything specific to show this. Could aliens have visited mankind in the past? Sure....that's always a possibility but again there isn't any 'smoking gun' to show this either.
 
I enjoyed listening to this archived interview of Erich von Däniken by Art Bell in 1998. I've never heard him speak before and I was rather taken with his enthusiasm. He doesn't lay out the evidence in any great details here, but the metaphors he employs or seductive, and in terms of opening one to the mere possibility of ancient visitation, he does a good job.

The recording starts off rather slowly with a series of orienting introductions that you can skip.

This link begins at the interview proper.

 
The ancient Norias (water wheels) of Hama in Syria deserve a mention here.

Norias were in use near Hama by 350 AD, with the great wheel - Noria al-Muhammadiya with its 21 metre/69feet diameter being built in 1361 AD. For nearly 500 years, this was the tallest waterwheel in the world. In 1854 it was surpassed by the Laxey Wheel, a mine-pumping waterwheel on the Isle of Man, which was marginally larger at 22.1 metres.

Astonishing (fairly) ancient technology, which has survived the centuries and countless wars in the region. Some of the Norias were damaged in Assad's air assault in 1982, but were subsequently repaired.

The photos of local youths grabbing onto the wheel to be hoisted up (it takes around one minute to rotate) and then leaping into what looks like dangerously shallow water, are terrifying!


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norias_of_Hama
 
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