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I text my best friend asking if he wanted to go see a folk band at the Camden round house in November. he text back saying yes. I paid for the tickets. He then text asking the name of the band. I told him. He hasn't got back in touch. I suspect he is worried about being sacrificed to cruel pagan gods. So am i. But i told no lies, you cannot get a more folk band then this.
 

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I text my best friend asking if he wanted to go see a folk band at the Camden round house in November. he text back saying yes. I paid for the tickets. He then text asking the name of the band. I told him. He hasn't got back in touch. I suspect he is worried about being sacrificed to cruel pagan gods. So am i. But i told no lies, you cannot get a more folk band then this.
dafuq did i just watch? that was....well i liked it.
 

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dafuq did i just watch? that was....well i liked it.
Just to demonstrate my inner geek, I used to sing with the Cecil Sharp House Choir, so I know a bit about Folk. That isn't.
What it is is German neo-pagan post-punk anarchic (along the lines of Sol Invictus, although they actually know how to make a tune work) with nothing really working and no perceptible musical elements to it at all. I'd be tempted to add a fart to it, to improve the tone. Sure, it's not classical. But that doesn't make it folk. Even in America. And certainly not in Germany.
 

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Proper, 'folk music'. :)

Truth is, I intended to highlight a different video from the band and searching for same, inadvertently came across this, which I suspect many of your good selves are also watching for the first time as well...

 

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Don't ask, but this song reminds me of eating dog biscuits in a nighbours house when I was young enough to do such a thing
Was it the dog biscuits made of compressed dried bread because me and the kid next door used to do that as well .. he's dead now (some sort of brain embolism while he was playing rugby after we left school) .. I never liked him very much because when the older kids were bullying someone, he'd jump in and slap the victim to try and win favour with the older kids. I hate bullies.

Psycho looped

 

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this is the first "rock" record my dad bought me...
and this was the first single I bought myself..
and i thought this was the bee's knees up till then...
[children's pop song about animals, narrated...someone was a captain. What was this song?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!?]
'cos I can't remember, here's the bloody Wombles...
(it doesn't matter where you first find classical music!!!)
 

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Was it the dog biscuits made of compressed dried bread because me and the kid next door used to do that as well .. he's dead now (some sort of brain embolism while he was playing rugby after we left school) .. I never liked him very much because when the older kids were bullying someone, he'd jump in and slap the victim to try and win favour with the older kids. I hate bullies.

Psycho looped

dog biscuits in the shape of bones. They were perfectly yummy (crispy and, um, nice!) To be fair at that age I most likely couldn't tell the difference between dog biscuits and Farley's Rusks; same texture, main difference - did i get them from the dog's shed or the kitchen...?!
 

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Well I have been listening to them last night and love them, I would rather listen to them then the Cecil sharp house choir. Each to their own.
Listen as much as you like, I sometimes do, but I have a clear understanding that this is NOT folk music. It's barely music at all. Every once in a while, someone chucks in a retake on anarchy, because they're bored with a thousand years of positive development and their egos can't stand the thought that they might actually have to do some work to get there. So they take the Pick of Hammer Horror and call it folk. and get all uppity when someone who actually comes from that heritage tells them it isn't. Me, I'm sometimes found on stage with Maddy Prior. My whistles, on this imminent St Patrick's Day, have played with Paddy Moloney, and my harp is welcome in Scotland. They play tunes which have some history to them.

Now, The Incredible String Band includes someone who lives (or at least. lived - I've not frequented those circles in 30 years) not too many miles from here, and like me, has rather too many instruments around to be healthy. Robin Williamson. That recording is from the early days, when anything American which wasn't classical or pop was folk. He's learned better, he by then was playing tunes which have that background, in his own inimitable arrangements, making that work very audibly his own. Not for him the Cowell Conformity. The Baez school was, frankly, to me as a heritage folkie, just a soft form of pop. There are many arguments which make a valid case that pop is derviative from the real folk recordings of 100 years ago, and that Dylan and her were on that path, but after a lifetime of listening and thinking which side of the barrier it lies, I'm sticking with my Trad roots. The same can be said of Jazz. What I'm ineterested in is maintaining the somewhat specialised local music traditions in the less urban areas of the UK, like the Sheffield Carols, now widening into Local Carols, and the work of Ledbelly and his peers in the US, because once the fools realise they're simply condemnig the rest fo humanity to walk the same path well-trodden by the likes of Dufay, the Renaissance ballad masters, and then Bach, Handel, Mozart, and the rest, then they inevitably end up walking some form of the old path, or more hopefully starting to look forwards. I was actually in Yamaha's London offices this lunchtime, suggesting that the damned keyboards, direct heirs to the Movement's organs, is not all that music should be about, even in the modern world. What I was after was a tone generator, to drive one of their wind synths, and a Roli pitch-bending keyboard (OK, I'm not absolutely opposed to the format, but I do object to its domination of all else), and a MicroKorg, and...they don't do one.

As far as the CSH outfit's concerned, their work is as valid as Deke Sharon's - and yes, I know him, and Bill Hare, and the Swingles, and used to know Simon Rattle, although our paths diverged. And unless you have any recordings to put on the table yourself, then I'll beg your leave to show you the door, because as I've said, those who can, do, those who can't, teach, and those who can't teach, criticise. Worst of all are those who simply stand on the sidelines cheering on the latter, applauding the wit and irony with which they shred the souls of those who have the temerity to actually chance it as performers. My old mate Tank Yetzes, who played Piggy in the film of The Lord of the Rings, showed the worth of such as them. He's now a social worker, in passing, dealing with what is left after your juggernaut has passed, the social equivalent of nuclear winter.
 

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Interestingly enough, Mike Batt produced bothe The Wombles and Maddy's breakthrough album. She's had a far more profound effect with her Chirstmas Gaudete, picked from a Swedish (Uppsala manuscript) copy of what we think is a Spanish folk tune of the 15th Century. It's now as mainstream as BoRhap.
And somewhere on the left here, laying down that bottom bass, is where I'm to be found:
 

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dog biscuits in the shape of bones. They were perfectly yummy (crispy and, um, nice!) To be fair at that age I most likely couldn't tell the difference between dog biscuits and Farley's Rusks; same texture, main difference - did i get them from the dog's shed or the kitchen...?!
Yep, yep and yep .. exactly the same ones we used to munch on in the shape of bones with a variation of red, green or yellow as I remember them .. I don't remember enjoying them, they just glued your mouth together like eating dry crackers would so it was partly out of school holiday boredom and partly as a challenge to eat them .. memories flooding back ..
 
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