Floyd1
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That'll learn him.It depends. If he's prosecuted in America, they'd put him away for 400 years.
That'll learn him.It depends. If he's prosecuted in America, they'd put him away for 400 years.
I've checked our Lord Lucan, and he's not that Lord Lucan....(Has anybody ever checked our Lord Lucan, which would be the ultimate example of hiding in plain sight?!)
That's true. Plus they were probably just in labelled bottles back then, rather than the blister packs we have now, so they could have replaced the 'prescribed' drugs with any old tablets - in his mind.Though as he seemed rather distressed and paranoid, he maybe thought that well, they would be wouldn't they? To hide the fact they were really something else.
As a teenager, I reported to Scotland Yard, after seeing a TV appeal, the night after the murder. That I, saw the car in Shirley Road, Shirley Croydon and the time. The male police officer said thanks. I did not hear from Scotland Yard again, regarding my sighting of his car. It was without a doubt, the car Scotland Yard were looking for. I have mentioned this matter to them several times, they never answer me.I often wonder - when stories reappear in the mainstream through little gobbets of apparently new information, like this - whether we're about to be presented with a new book or TV drama, and some enterprising author or TV marketing bod has managed to prod a story into the headlines in order to up the interest, which might not be that difficult if you had the right journalistic connections.
I don't mean that this is necessarily untrue (although being true is different to it being significant - which I suspect it is not) - just that it's the kind of intriguing snippet that could quite possibly have sat under the radar for years, but which is likely to get attention if it's promoted.
Lord Lucan experts dispute claim that pensioner in Australia is missing peer ..
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...pc=U531&cvid=694bab525dfc48a982fee8e5a8749987
Lord Lucan has dyed his hair blue, you won't believe what happens next! .. click hereThat nose doesn't convince me. My money is still on "Jungly Barry".
As a teenager, I reported to Scotland Yard, after seeing a TV appeal, the night after the murder. That I, saw the car in Shirley Road, Shirley Croydon and the time. The male police officer said thanks. I did not hear from Scotland Yard again, regarding my sighting of his car. It was without a doubt, the car Scotland Yard were looking for. I have mentioned this matter to them several times, they never answer me.
I can assure you, I saw the car. I worked all over London and know it very well. I know all the shortcut, Vauxhall Bridge, Camberwell, East Dulwich, Crystal Palace, Sydenham, Elmars End, to Shirley Rd. Is a very obvious rout, avoiding a lot of main roads. It is a fact that, he went to his in friends in Uckfield, East Sussex.Three maps of a possible escape?
Map One shows the direction of travel from the London area of Belgravia (red rectangle) to Shirley Rd, Croydon, which is what I would describe as a South South East direction. Still within London.
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Map Two a smaller scale showing how these areas fit within London and the surrounding areas.
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Map Three shows possible routes from Croydon.
Left to right:
A straight line of travel from Belgravia to Shirley Rd and on to the coast (unlikely in that there are not roads that follow this exact route).
Or to the remote Dungeness area to the East of Rye.
Or to the coastal ports of Folkestone and Dover,.
Or to Biggin Hill airfield (darker blue arrow).
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Or
You know what you can do with your clickbait, don't you?Lord Lucan has dyed his hair blue, you won't believe what happens next! .. click here
Apparently his wife, the Countess of Lucan and he have a successful fashion line. Here's a Tatler article:
https://www.tatler.com/article/countess-anne-sofie-lucan-launches-latest-collection-lookbook
https://lucanfashion.com/
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...-with-lord-lucan-i-think-20221110-p5bxb5.htmlWe were in a drizzly big town/small city in County Clare. Lunchtime traffic. Parked our compact white hire car, crossed over and opened the unremarkable front door of a pub.
It was January 2001. My wife Nerissa and I, both about 40, were driving around in Ireland. Inside, the pub was remarkably ugly and empty. We chose the table closest to the door. The street door behind me opened.
Never heard that one before.
Great story.From today's Sydney Morning Herald:
The day I had a beer with Lord Lucan ... I think
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...-with-lord-lucan-i-think-20221110-p5bxb5.html
Yes, I posted the maps with Shirley Road marked, because I believe you saw the car.I can assure you, I saw the car. I worked all over London and know it very well. I know all the shortcut, Vauxhall Bridge, Camberwell, East Dulwich, Crystal Palace, Sydenham, Elmars End, to Shirley Rd. Is a very obvious rout, avoiding a lot of main roads. It is a fact that, he went to his in friends in Uckfield, East Sussex.
Look how quickly they changed the Coroner's Court rules to prevent the suspect being named in future.
Yes.I don't know anything about that, does it refer to all suspect ?
Having read up a bit more, I think I can explain a few of the apparent discrepancies
These links are from Neil Berrimans website. Annoyingly there are some pages missing but they still give some extra detail.
www.lordlucanthetruth.com
Confidential+2002+Lucan+Police+report.pdf (squarespace.com)
ORIGINAL+LADY+LUCAN+STATEMENT.pdf (squarespace.com)
The tea cups and saucers - According to Lady Lucan's statement, Ms Rivett had taken a dirty set downstairs with her to make a fresh pot. That makes sense and clears that up.
According to police analysis, the blood in the basement was mostly Ms Rivetts, apart from a couple of samples from the kitchen floor and the mailbag which matched with Lady Lucan. This is a bit strange unless things didn't quite happen as Lady Lucan remembered - very possible since she suffered some pretty severe injuries to the head.
Now, even if, for the sake of fairness we exclude Lady Lucan's testimony, Lord Lucan had been acting increasingly unhinged and terrorising not only his wife but the nannies. Hiring private detectives to follow them, making weird phone calls and bringing pills to a pharmacist to have them identified (what was that about?). This is all from the Wikipedia page. Astonishingly, he did indeed have a key to the house which is mentioned in the 2002 police report.
Here is what may have happened. Lord Lucan let himself into the house and removed the bulb from the basement light. Ms Rivett comes down with the teacups. He wasn't expecting her to be there but never mind, he is "Lucky" after all and she deserves to be killed too due to the influence she has on his children. He hears Lady Lucan coming down from upstairs and runs up to ambush her. He murders her too (he thinks), then goes back downstairs to continue dealing with Ms Rivett's body, contaminating the scene with Lady Lucan's blood. He goes back upstairs only to find that Lady Lucan isn't as dead as he thought. Maybe it is a bit harder to murder someone who is sitting up and talking to you, who knows? Anyway, he is all murdered out at this point and she survives. His words to Lady Lucan were:-
It sounds as if he knew perfectly well who he was murdering and didn't much mind.
The other discrepancies are a parking attendant at the Clermont club claiming to have seen him at 9pm (pretty much the exact time of the murder) in his Mercedes. Lucan asked him who was present and then drove off. The Mercedes was found after the murder with a cool engine and a flat battery. Lucan could have easily bribed the parking attendant to say that.
This only leaves the second lead pipe which I still find a bit strange. Though who knows, maybe he made one pipe up and put it in the boot, forgot it was there and made up another? As previously noted, this is not an ordered mind.
I carried a length of lead pipe around in the boot of my car decades ago. It was useful for adding extra leverage on the wheel brace if you had to change a flat tyre. (the night before my wedding I had a blown tyre and couldn't remove the wheel so had to abandon the car - fate trying to tell me something?)That's true. Plus they were probably just in labelled bottles back then, rather than the blister packs we have now, so they could have replaced the 'prescribed' drugs with any old tablets - in his mind.
But someone going to those lengths to try to prove women unfit to have the children wouldn't hesitate to knock someone on the head if they got between him and what he wanted. Maybe he carried lengths of lead pipe in his car routinely? Was it a rear wheel drive car? I used to carry sacks of animal feed in the boot of my Celica, because if it snowed I needed the weight on the back axle to be able to steer the bloody thing.
I thinks that's irrelevant.Was he strongly enough to carry it out the house? He played cards, drank unlikely.
That's a very good point, and I'm kicking myself for not thinking of it ...I carried a length of lead pipe around in the boot of my car decades ago. It was useful for adding extra leverage on the wheel brace if you had to change a flat tyre. ...
This seems extremely unlikely to me since they had been separated for some time and it was very acrimonious. Also, how did Ms Rivett get into the mail sack? If you are querying if Lord L could have done it, there is no way Lady Lucan could have. Have you ever tried to lift a recalcitrant body (such as a fallen pensioner I mean, not a dead body - I wouldn't know about that!)? It is extremely difficult. Also Lady Lucan injuries were pretty bad. I don't know how it would be possible to inflict those injuries on yourself.That he was meeting Veronica, at a prearrange time, that she made. She sent Sandra down to the kitchen. Veronica, then follows her to the downstairs kitchen. Starts to bash Sandra, knowing Lucan would see / hear the comotion. Veronica then smashed herself around the head a few times. Obviously to make it look like Lucan attacked Veronica, to try to kill her also.
Was Lucan having an affair with Sandra and Veronica had found out. So she set out, to set Lucan up and get him out of her life forever. Veronica as we know, was unfortunately mentally unwell. And Lucan was said to be, Somewhat increasingly Unhinged.
I have one in the Landrover right now for that same reason (it's actually a length of sawn off scaffolding pole), have had it since I owned a double wheel base Transit back in the early 90's.I carried a length of lead pipe around in the boot of my car decades ago. It was useful for adding extra leverage on the wheel brace if you had to change a flat tyre. (the night before my wedding I had a blown tyre and couldn't remove the wheel so had to abandon the car - fate trying to tell me something?)
LOL - Not in NY, he'd be out on no bail!It depends. If he's prosecuted in America, they'd put him away for 400 years.
Would lead work for that purpose though? It's a very soft metal and it might bend if you put a lot of pressure on, rather than moving the nuts. I had an extra-long spanner-thing that we used for extra power.That's a very good point, and I'm kicking myself for not thinking of it ...
Decades ago it was fairly common practice (at least in the USA) to carry an extra metal bar or length of small-diameter pipe to gain additional leverage (and clearance) for pumping the car's jack without being limited to only using the lug wrench (or other handle provided ... ) for that purpose.
It was also common practice for mechanics to keep such a bar or pipe around for use with other jacks and ratcheting devices. The extra length allowed one to amplify the force being used to lift / hoist something heavy. Such purpose-specific bars / pipes were called "cheaters", because they allowed you to "cheat" on the amount of mass / weight being leveraged.