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What's The Most Outrageous Conspiracy Theory You Have Heard?

The one I like is that the Large Hadron Collider zapped us into an alternate reality, or whatever it it. Explains a lot :hahazebs:
But all conspiracy theories just sound like people are trying too hard. It‘s like: I’m expecting a letter on Tuesday and it arrives Thursday so clearly it must have been rerouted to MI6 (who are obviously watching me for some unexplained but frightening reason) who opened it then resealed it and sent it on. — Or it was just late? Honestly, who has the time to consider these things? They’re so convoluted! Watchable in films, readable in books, but fiction isn’t reality.
 
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blessmycottonsocks said:
This barmy conspiracy theory cropped up on Quora not long back.
Some people apparently believe that white supremacists broke the noses off ancient Egyptian statues, so people who saw them wouldn't think they were depictions of black Africans.
There are usually photos of the Sphynx or damaged statues similar to this to "prove" the point:

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Which, of course, utterly ignores that fact that, if an ancient statue topples to the ground, a protuberance like the nose, will be the first point of damage. There is also iconoclasm to consider - subsequent religions thought it was morally justified to damage pagan idols and there are historical accounts of such "righteous" vandalism. Finally, those white supremacists were obviously a bit slacking, as plenty of ancient Egyptian statues survived remarkably well intact!

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Do they use the same theory to explain why a lot of statues also have the willies broken off?
 
blessmycottonsocks said:
This barmy conspiracy theory cropped up on Quora not long back.
Some people apparently believe that white supremacists broke the noses off ancient Egyptian statues, so people who saw them wouldn't think they were depictions of black Africans.
There are usually photos of the Sphynx or damaged statues similar to this to "prove" the point:



Which, of course, utterly ignores that fact that, if an ancient statue topples to the ground, a protuberance like the nose, will be the first point of damage. There is also iconoclasm to consider - subsequent religions thought it was morally justified to damage pagan idols and there are historical accounts of such "righteous" vandalism. Finally, those white supremacists were obviously a bit slacking, as plenty of ancient Egyptian statues survived remarkably well intact!
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I have no more idea than you if Napoleon Bonaparte had his troops shoot the noses off the Sphinx or not.

It seems he probably did not.

But the theory does have a basis in a genuine issue, which has been discussed elsewhere on here i.e. The Ancient Aliens thread.

That in the West, History has been seen through a White European lens to a greater extent than other lenses.
Which in my view, is inevitable.

But a casualty of that has been a relative neglect of Back African achievements, and involvement in events and structures that are of Historical note.

The Pharoahs, in my understanding, were of different ethnicities, different dynasties.

But I'd hazard a fair guess that some of them looked a bit like Nubians. i.e. the late Anwar Sadat.
 
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I thought that the disfiguring of statues by the act of damaging the face (commonly seen) was due to usurping hordes showing an utter lack of respect for the previous Rulers, after conquering that territory.
 
Mungoman said:
I thought that the disfiguring of statues by the act of damaging the face (commonly seen) was due to usurping hordes showing an utter lack of respect for the previous Rulers, after conquering that territory.
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I think, for a lot of statues, the nose (and also, incidentally, the willy) is the most protruberant part. So if the statue is knocked or falls over, that's the part that suffers the damage, whilst the rest remains intact.
 
catseye said:
I think, for a lot of statues, the nose (and also, incidentally, the willy) is the most protruberant part. So if the statue is knocked or falls over, that's the part that suffers the damage, whilst the rest remains intact.
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Only if it falls face forward. Are there any statues with missing arses? :)
 
Tunn11 said:
Only if it falls face forward. Are there any statues with missing arses? :)
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Structurally, though, the arse is a big solid bit of stone. Elbows and other sticky out bits are what take the damage, and there are plenty of statues that do still have noses, so presumably only fell backwards...
 
There is a statue museum nearby, which also has a wall of noses broken off of statues. It's a common occurence.
 
Victory said:
I have no more idea than you if Napoleon Bonaparte had his troops shoot the noses off the Sphinx or not.

It seems he probably did not.

But the theory does have a basis in a genuine issue, which has been discussed elsewhere on here i.e. The Ancient Aliens thread.

That in the West, History has been seen through a White European lens to a greater extent than other lenses.
Which in my view, is inevitable.

But a casualty of that has been a relative neglect of Back African achievements, and involvement in events and structures that are of Historical note.

The Pharoahs, in my understanding, were of different ethnicities, different dynasties.

But I'd hazard a fair guess that some of them looked a bit like Nubians. i.e. the late Anwar Sadat.
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The Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt, which was the longest and best-documented ancient Egyptian dynasty and included the iconic Cleopatra, was basically Greek.
The statue of Ptolemy II, with its nose intact, looks decidedly Mediterranean.

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As for Cleo herself, this "woman of unsurpassed beauty" would probably have had classic Greek looks too, although her depiction on Roman coins, usually depict her with quite an elongated beaky (Roman?) nose and not quite the Elizabeth Tayloresque stunner we have come to accept as the architype:

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blessmycottonsocks said:
The Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt, which was the longest and best-documented ancient Egyptian dynasty and included the iconic Cleopatra, was basically Greek.
The statue of Ptolemy II, with its nose intact, looks decidedly Mediterranean.

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As for Cleo herself, this "woman of unsurpassed beauty" would probably have had classic Greek looks too, although her depiction on Roman coins, usually depict her with quite an elongated beaky (Roman?) nose and not quite the Elizabeth Tayloresque stunner we have come to accept as the architype:

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Also, ideas of beauty change from era to era. Look at how many of the Rubensesque ladies would be called 'out of shape' nowadays.

I also maintain that I am not ugly, I just live in the wrong era...
 
catseye said:
Also, ideas of beauty change from era to era. Look at how many of the Rubensesque ladies would be called 'out of shape' nowadays.

I also maintain that I am not ugly, I just live in the wrong era...
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Although the men were usually depicted looking pretty buff.

This Roman bust of Mark Antony (with the nose repaired) gives him a very presentable and rather heroic appearance.

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The depictions of Cleopatra though, with whom he had 3 children, are certainly not as charitable.
Perhaps there's a conspiracy in there? Did Rome blame Cleopatra for turning Antony against them and uglified her for propaganda purposes?
 
Xanatic* said:
Are there any contemporary accounts mentioning Cleopatra being beautiful? I got the impression that was just a later invention.
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Suspect if you’re running the country then it doesn’t matter what you actually look like, you will be considered to be pretty damn irresistible?
 
Modern historians called Cleopatra as less than pretty, but agreed Cleopatra was the master of masters in the art of female seduction and love.

I don’t know how, but same historians said she was probably 5 feet with flaming red hair.

Red hair ?
 
blessmycottonsocks said:
The Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt, which was the longest and best-documented ancient Egyptian dynasty and included the iconic Cleopatra, was basically Greek.
The statue of Ptolemy II, with its nose intact, looks decidedly Mediterranean.

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As for Cleo herself, this "woman of unsurpassed beauty" would probably have had classic Greek looks too, although her depiction on Roman coins, usually depict her with quite an elongated beaky (Roman?) nose and not quite the Elizabeth Tayloresque stunner we have come to accept as the architype:

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Yes, the latter Pharoahs were Greeks.

The earlier ones were a mixture.

Here is Huni who reigned four and half thousand years ago.
Very non-Caucasian features.


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Here is Mohammed Elneny, who plays for the Egyptian National team and Arsenal.

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The modern Egyptians are a mix of Arab, Bantu, Nubian, and Horn of Africa peoples.

We have to remember that 2600 years ago, there was a tremendous mixing of peoples during the turbulence of Sennacherib's military campaigns.
 
Xanatic* said:
Are there any contemporary accounts mentioning Cleopatra being beautiful? I got the impression that was just a later invention.
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A few minutes’ Googling haven’t revealed any contemporary descriptions of Cleopatra. There are coins, statues and wall carvings made during her lifetime, but Egyptian artistic conventions, and the tiny scale of the coins, render them very suspect.

The tales of her beauty all date from Roman historians’ accounts, written decades or even centuries after her death. Cassius Dio describes her, for example, as being of “surpassing beauty”, but she’d been dead for over 180 years before he was born.

maximus otter
 
maximus otter said:
A few minutes’ Googling haven’t revealed any contemporary descriptions of Cleopatra. There are coins, statues and wall carvings made during her lifetime, but Egyptian artistic conventions, and the tiny scale of the coins, render them very suspect.

The tales of her beauty all date from Roman historians’ accounts, written decades or even centuries after her death. Cassius Dio describes her, for example, as being of “surpassing beauty”, but she’d been dead for over 180 years before he was born.

maximus otter
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Well Mark Antony who, with his celebrity status could probably have any woman he wanted, didn't kick her out of bed, so she must have had something.
 
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