Who Ya Gonna Call? Ghost Hunters & Hunting

Swifty said:
…we left through the same hole in the basement we'd climbed in through wielding some loose stair banisters in case we had to protect ourselves.
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Trespassing with a weapon of offence.​

(1) A person who is on any premises as a trespasser, after having entered as such, is guilty of an offence if, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, he has with him on the premises any weapon of offence.

(2) In subsection (1) above “weapon of offence” means any article made or adapted for use for causing injury to or incapacitating a person, or intended by the person having it with him for such use.

(3) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three months or to a fine…

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1977/45/section/8

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maximus otter
 
catseye said:
That's exactly what it's like when I'm trying to attract the dog's attention to something she can chase. There were four deer yesterday, about half a dozen yards in front of her, all breaking through the hedge and heading off across the field, and I was waving my arm and pointing like a mad thing…

I often set her to chase deer.
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“Dog attacks on deer can result in severe injuries and no alternative but to euthanise the unfortunate animal. Reports have become all too frequent involving both wild deer and those enclosed in parks and other public places.

Very often the dog’s owner is shocked and surprised that their normally docile pet could behave in this way. They may even have been unaware of the real dangers that allowing their pet to chase deer can cause.

Even if the target animal is not caught, the act of being chased can cause the deer detrimentally high levels of stress.

…deliberately encouraging a dog to chase deer is considered an offence under the Hunting Act 2004.”

https://bds.org.uk/information-advice/out-about/dog-attacks-on-deer/

maximus otter
 
Swifty said:
For obvious reasons, we don't post where we're about to go on investigations .. mainly because most of the time we're trespassing. We never force entry, vandalise anything or take tools with us.

I won't write a full report right now because I've just got back home and it's nearly 1am. Tonight we went to Hainford Hall in Norfolk, The hall was built in the early 1800's if anyone want's to look up the history of this place.

edit: https://www.edp24.co.uk/lifestyle/2...4-bed-mansion-auction-abandoned-70-years-ago/

Occam's Razor time: when you're inside a supposed haunted location and the front door to the place has the door handle suddenly and violently rattling followed by a God almighty loud bang on the same door? ... it's most likely someone pranking you. I've done a bit of research after getting back home and found the likeliest and non paranormal explanation at the bottom of this urban explorer forum page.

'The family that own the hall also own the house next door and the man who rents there will often call the owners if he sees anyone around. The owners then call upon a couple of local hainford lads to come and kick anyone out with threats to call the police. You’re lucky you got in. I did this one a couple of years back but security has been tighter since they’ve tried to auction it off.'

Pictures taken inside the hall in the daytime.

https://www.28dayslater.co.uk/threads/hainford-hall-hainford-norfolk-visited-september-2020.125018/

That didn't half get our adrenaline going though. We didn't know the motives of the pranking or if it was police or security instead so we left through the same hole in the basement we'd climbed in through wielding some loose stair banisters in case we had to protect ourselves. One of our group was proclaiming "It's the house." ... the only weird thing was about ten seconds after the commotion at the front door, we heard a loud bang from upstairs. Also, a cat ball and rem pod, both positioned about 20ft away from the front door both went off although another rem pod at the top of those stairs didn't. I'm going with locals trying to scare us off. It's an incredibly atmospheric looking place with absolutely no graffiti which is rare.
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A lot of craftmanship went into building that place.
A shame it has ended like this.

It often starts with just a small hole in the roof that no one can be bothered to fix and before long the place is ruined.
I see it a lot with old farm buildings.
For the sake of a few tiles and half an hours work.
 
maximus otter said:
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“Dog attacks on deer can result in severe injuries and no alternative but to euthanise the unfortunate animal. Reports have become all too frequent involving both wild deer and those enclosed in parks and other public places.

Very often the dog’s owner is shocked and surprised that their normally docile pet could behave in this way. They may even have been unaware of the real dangers that allowing their pet to chase deer can cause.

Even if the target animal is not caught, the act of being chased can cause the deer detrimentally high levels of stress.

…deliberately encouraging a dog to chase deer is considered an offence under the Hunting Act 2004.”

https://bds.org.uk/information-advice/out-about/dog-attacks-on-deer/

maximus otter
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Round here deer are a nuisance and farmers are only too keen to have them 'moved on' from grazing on their crops.
 
maximus otter said:

Trespassing with a weapon of offence.​

(1) A person who is on any premises as a trespasser, after having entered as such, is guilty of an offence if, without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, he has with him on the premises any weapon of offence.

(2) In subsection (1) above “weapon of offence” means any article made or adapted for use for causing injury to or incapacitating a person, or intended by the person having it with him for such use.

(3) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three months or to a fine…

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1977/45/section/8

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maximus otter
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We were aware of that but at the same time we were aware that we might have had to confront some nutter with a knife. I'd have gone for their legs if that had been the case and our verbal warnings had been ignored and accepted 3 months or a fine instead of being stabbed. If you're cornered, you're cornered and you need to be able to protect yourself.

The police don't play silly buggers with theatrical stunts. They would have loudly ordered us to come out instead.
 
Swifty said:
Apparently there's a stone somewhere at the site that reads 1746.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/275407434061?_skw=Hainford+Hall&itmmeta=01JCJ61KD2B8JSTJZV0F7M7G4G&hash=item401f8ff14d:g:qG0AAOSwdlJi55AP&itmprp=enc:AQAJAAAA8HoV3kP08IDx+KZ9MfhVJKk7VCRioiUmZQJRGOiWRYT0YtrOCMqigSzMDPMal+MbcEZvnlLqQtjij0wDT1Ukx6IG9xMomAAQx4k4ZvhlqO4q8QXnvP73KRXvKFzrqcU/lwZ/OFs91rD/DDw4G4TILPRBrxTdwnQ5u6YWy0AT0DXKFmZ6v6JA3atPEMZo4js1EHA9f7bnKhTZlkWUDua5LAABpnEbMCTqEqTioHncQdR1qUFd6HXus3M1UgFfvGzmUyQQPrco8UBHAWebr+kgjqHkYUssASXfODuq8CBCqzq17vMkPW+51gW1W4U2fYzQ8g==|tkp:Bk9SR862hsbkZA&fbclid=IwY2xjawGhWKpleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHcVy9GzRPgxZgKpeAch2vBlYDjGN0cIUmzWjYD3JoRo7k72u3dZiqTyS3w_aem_HVY-Jg7zzvh67giXswIdFg
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Date of the last pitched battle on British soil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Culloden

Perhaps the family who had it built did well out of the wars?

maximus otter
 
Swifty said:
...we were aware that we might have had to confront some nutter with a knife.
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So you went looking for trouble, Accused?

Swifty said:
I'd have gone for their legs if that had been the case and our verbal warnings had been ignored and accepted 3 months or a fine instead of being stabbed. If you're cornered, you're cornered and you need to be able to protect yourself.
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Assault is assault, Swifty. Deliberately putting yourself into harm's way, then arming yourself in case you had to deal with it, is not a defence.

Listen to your old uncle Max; he's heard every :bs: excuse / mitigation / defence there is...

;)

maximus otter
 
maximus otter said:
So you went looking for trouble, Accused?



Assault is assault, Swifty. Deliberately putting yourself into harm's way, then arming yourself in case you had to deal with it, is not a defence.

Listen to your old uncle Max; he's heard every :bs: excuse / mitigation / defence there is...

;)

maximus otter
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Court adjourned.
Take him down.

And make him put some clean pants on for God's sake.
 
maximus otter said:
So you went looking for trouble, Accused?



Assault is assault, Swifty. Deliberately putting yourself into harm's way, then arming yourself in case you had to deal with it, is not a defence.

Listen to your old uncle Max; he's heard every :bs: excuse / mitigation / defence there is...

;)

maximus otter
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All true enough and I bow to your experience although all we were armed with when we entered was a flask of coffee, sandwiches, a first aid kit, nerdy paranormal crews logos and hats, PPE and various electrical equipment. And a Samurai sword we bought from 'honest Gaz' who also sells reconditioned lap tops at the car boots Max. That last bit isn't true.

As an ex officer, you've been there more than once I imagine. I reckon you'd have looked at us after we'd shouted that we were coming out and at which side of the building, dropped the stair bannisters before we'd left the building, your co worker would have gone through our bags, one of you would have taken all of our details (we all take ID with us), decided that we were just some of those ghost hunting twats and given us a warning?. Maybe on the spot or maybe down the station?. Or some time or a night in the cells until we'd been processed?.

That and we had video evidence of our purpose being there, didn't tell anyone where we were and filmed ourselves entering through an already open spot which was also being streamed live online.

I doubt you'd have thumped the door as hard as we heard last night unless you were trying to get a broken shoulder, you were a rugby player running at full pelt at it and somehow through a metal security fence or you'd be using one of those police battering rams. Again through a security fence that was about three ft away from the sealed and boarded up front door. That even set the motion and electrical energy sensitive equipment off about twenty foot away from the door.

When we left the building, we tried to recreate the door knob rattle (which we could) and the loud bang (which we couldn't) through a gap in the security fence. There weren't any scratch marks on the floor to indicate that the gate had been moved then covertly put back into place, just moss growing around it at ground level.
 
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I've just finished watching a live stream of an invest I was invited to but wasn't able to go along to tonight (working instead) at the disused R.A.F. hospital at Nocton Hall, Lincolnshire.

Teams are learning not to tell anyone online where they're going in advance or indeed while they're streaming live because everyone's got the internet and some people like to sabotage teams on the night. I expect Fortean Times will catch up with this new trend eventually.

Tonight was Norfolk's Forgotten History teamed with S.W.Y.P.T. (South West Yorkshire Paranormal Team) at the above Lincolnshire location. A couple of their team member were recently 'pranked' by someone throwing an air soft grenade into their location. They caught the prank on camera. These are air soft grenades and are potentially dangerous. Dr Paul Lee isn't exaggerating when he points out that there's some weirdos to watch out for these days in the ghost investigation teams scene:

These are basically flash bombs.

https://www.defconairsoft.co.uk/product-category/accessories-2/grenades/

On a more cheerful note, S.W.Y.P.T. were using a tiny robot moving itself around on wheels/tracks tonight. I've no idea yet what they were using, how it (hopefully) worked and how they were using it tonight. Here's an older video of theirs instead.

 
Swifty said:
I've just finished watching a live stream of an invest I was invited to but wasn't able to go along to tonight (working instead) at the disused R.A.F. hospital at Nocton Hall, Lincolnshire.

Teams are learning not to tell anyone online where they're going in advance or indeed while they're streaming live because everyone's got the internet and some people like to sabotage teams on the night. I expect Fortean Times will catch up with this new trend eventually.

Tonight was Norfolk's Forgotten History teamed with S.W.Y.P.T. (South West Yorkshire Paranormal Team) at the above Lincolnshire location. A couple of their team member were recently 'pranked' by someone throwing an air soft grenade into their location. They caught the prank on camera. These are air soft grenades and are potentially dangerous. Dr Paul Lee isn't exaggerating when he points out that there's some weirdos to watch out for these days in the ghost investigation teams scene:

These are basically flash bombs.

https://www.defconairsoft.co.uk/product-category/accessories-2/grenades/

On a more cheerful note, S.W.Y.P.T. were using a tiny robot moving itself around on wheels/tracks tonight. I've no idea yet what they were using, how it (hopefully) worked and how they were using it tonight. Here's an older video of theirs instead.

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I've sometimes thought that an adapted robot hoover (or one of those robots they use for defusing bombs) with a camera on ought to be good for ghost hunting.
 
catseye said:
I've sometimes thought that an adapted robot hoover (or one of those robots they use for defusing bombs) with a camera on ought to be good for ghost hunting.
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I've tried without success so far to find some good quality video of this little robot. The one I was watching last night seemed to be about the same size as a pack of 20 cigarettes. I'm not sure if it was operated by a remote control or if it was self triggered by stimulus like external sound, pressure, temperature fluctuations or electric energy like a rem pod. It's also possible it's just a cute looking gimmick that looks good on ghost investigation videos. I'll have to look into these things more.

edit: it might be one of these .. so they're motion sensitive and kid's toys that operate in the same way dance games for Nintendo Wi do that are also used (controversially) for SLS 'stick figure ghost captures' at locations. The problem with SLS motion capture is that it picks up points of light but then turns it into stick figures so people who aren't aware of what it was originally designed for, a dance game, assume they're looking at torsos and limbs of ghosts.

 
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I've bought a glorious looking first edition 1875 copy of a book from a charity shop today called 'The Redeemed Captive - A Tale of Ingham Priory', written by Rev. A. Brown which has now put Ingham Priory in Norfolk on my list of places to visit and investigate soon. This book's in lovely condition, only cost a tenner and has provided me with a nice change of source material being 149 years old so I'm looking forward to getting my teeth into it.

Here's 'Weird Norfolk's take on the place. A tale of 19 skeletons found under the alter in Victorian times and a grey lady phantom.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/207675...ons-guarded-secret-underground-tunnel-ingham/
 
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Swifty said:
I've bought a glorious looking first edition 1875 copy of a book from a charity shop today called 'The Redeemed Captive - A Tale of Ingham Priory', written by Rev. A. Brown which has now put Ingham Priory in Norfolk on my list of places to visit and investigate soon. This book's in lovely condition, only cost a tenner and has provided me with a nice change of source material being 149 years old so I'm looking forward to getting my teeth into it.

Here's 'Weird Norfolk's take on the place. A tale of 19 skeletons found under the alter in Victorian times and a grey lady phantom.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/207675...ons-guarded-secret-underground-tunnel-ingham/
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Surely any tunnels running from the manor house to the church would be to enable the Great And Good to get to church without getting wet?
 
I probably won't be going to any of these because I've got to clean a surgery on Weds, Thurs and Fri night instead (gutted) but if you fancy watching any of them, you won't be watching a Most Haunted or Ghost Hunters clone so it's no shrieking or "OMG WHATWASTHAT?!!!" crap ... we just mostly all talk at the same time and strategically place devises about, sometimes with good results. We're spontaneous instead unless I'm asked to say something about what we're trying to so so that stuff's planned, more often than not only about 30 seconds in advance. Feel free to sign up and tell us/them if you think you see anything weird on one of those interactive side bar things.

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https://www.tiktok.com/@jasongottsygotts?_t=8rgXArA0dQv&_r=1
 
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Our crew's wandering about somewhere grimy and hopefully haunted again tomorrow night. We don't advertise where we go before or during so we don't get interrupted or arrested etc. I won't be there, I've got to be a grown up and go to work instead but here's our/their live link if anyone fancies watching what they get up to. Swearing plus flashing and bleeping devices will be involved again.

https://www.tiktok.com/@jasongottsy...9fAGVBKZ-33PSGG7f4_aem_tklGcPHZm5rVd66bImr3Yg
 
I found out today three of us are going to be sleeping in a van (with beds) in Yorkshire on Sunday night so we can film in some haunted castle ruins. On the plus side, I'm excited to be going on another invest (we're visiting a church before that). On the downside, I don't want to sleep in a van in Yorkshire on Sunday night. I'll be taking a large flask of tomato soup.

If it arrives in time, I'll be taking one of these to tackle the 'is it an orb or is it just dust or insects?' question.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/32617495...x3HRiBHVuDQMO8wLSg_aem_j_Fu47W4iQC3ymFoMAEoIQ
 
I remembered to take my fly zapper along then forgot to take it out of the van. Then I fell out of a ground floor window and it wasn't until we were driving a good distance away that the driver realised I'd left a K2 mk2 there so I got him to drive me to a cashpoint after the all night McDonalds so he's ordered a new one for the bloke who loaned us as way of an apology.

If anyone reading fancies a free K2 mk2, send me a private message and I'll tell you where I left it in a building in Sleaford. We're not going to drive another five and half hours one way just to retrieve it.

Either this month or next (or February), I'll be ordering this very reasonably priced camcorder with night vision. At eighty quid, it's an absolute steal. I used one of these at Sleaford ..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/31590375...iFion37KYuZdjo7Egg_aem_pReWUJuXNOOmMKnebvr8Dg
 
Swifty said:
I remembered to take my fly zapper along then forgot to take it out of the van. Then I fell out of a ground floor window and it wasn't until we were driving a good distance away that the driver realised I'd left a K2 mk2 there so I got him to drive me to a cashpoint after the all night McDonalds so he's ordered a new one for the bloke who loaned us as way of an apology.

If anyone reading fancies a free K2 mk2, send me a private message and I'll tell you where I left it in a building in Sleaford. We're not going to drive another five and half hours one way just to retrieve it.

Either this month or next (or February), I'll be ordering this very reasonably priced camcorder with night vision. At eighty quid, it's an absolute steal. I used one of these at Sleaford ..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/31590375...iFion37KYuZdjo7Egg_aem_pReWUJuXNOOmMKnebvr8Dg
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Now that investigation I would watch. If only to see how you managed to fall out of a ground floor (thank goodness) window:points:
 
brownmane said:
Now that investigation I would watch. If only to see how you managed to fall out of a ground floor (thank goodness) window:points:
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We got to the location and it was then that my mate told me the police had moved him on from there only a week earlier. Crafty sod.

Either way, I got three peripherals of a man wearing brown clothes with dark hair standing next to and slightly behind me. I don't know yet if any of that has been caught on camera.
 
Frideswide said:
@Swifty I am so glad you are back here and safe!
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Thanks Frides X. We rarely put ourselves in any danger or we limit risks when we do. We consider each venue carefully when we arrive so we walk against the walls and not through the middle of floors of buildings when those spaces are more urban ex types of places for one example. The last place was definitively structurally dicey so we didn't even consider going upstairs there. Norfolk's Forgotten History visit more physically dicey places than my last team Spectral Paranormal did/do but Jason Gotts who runs NFH is aware of that so we are careful. Both teams have a full first aid kit and trained first aiders just in case and multiple phones in case of an emergency.
 
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