Why Aliens Haven't Found Us Yet

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Sorry I wasn't clearer, it was 35 years ago - you take the average response time to recognise a word with 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 etc letters and plot a graph. The X axis is Time (independent variable) in ms and the Y is the number of elements in the word - it was pretty much a straight line. By extrapolating the line back to where it crosses the X axis (not Y as I said last night), you find the response time for 0 letters - this is the average reaction time (by which I meant reflex time) to press the button. Subtract the reaction time from the response time and you get the processing time taken by the brain. Divide by the number of letters in the respective word and you get ~10ms per letter. The speed of Thought.
I thought at least some people recognise at least some words by their overall shape, though, rather than processing the individual letters. Surely, also, familiarity with the particular word must play a part in the speed of recognition - by way of off-the-cuff example, would people recognise "bier" as quickly as they would "beer"? There must be more to decoding than simply length, I would have thought.
 
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Having just read the entire thread, I see one problem. Now, to be fair, some of you folks have alluded to it, and that is that life outside of the earth has not been established. I know of no confirmed alien encounters or proven artifacts. It is assumed to exist. The assumption has a lot of good logic behind it, but it is still, at its' core, an assumption.

We won't (and can't) prove that extraterrestrial life does not exist. This type of proof is a logical impossibility. The burden of proof, therefore, is on those who assert its' existence. About the only way the question of alien life can be answered is if they show up and announce themselves, or an unmistakable signal is received.

Until then, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.
I have already proven it with my Cyprus UFO picture posted it on this forum. I have a picture of Cyprus taken from about 50-70 miles altitude with a UFO. Grain structure is proof that it is not a satellite image and it matches an inferior one taken by the Apollo crew.

The only way that this picture could have been taken is from a space craft. As I have neither the means and expense to be launched into space, unless someone can show me my space ship in my back garden, I have the proof. If science is too scared to study the picture that be their fault not mine.



Or should I say...."Let us not fall too much behind"
How on earth is that picture proof of anything? All I saw was a blurred image of something with an equally blurred circular shape in the lower left corner.

I'm sorry, but that picture is far from convincing.
 

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I thought at least some people recognise at least some words by their overall shape, though, rather than processing the individual letters. Surely, also, familiarity with the particular word must play a part in the speed of recognition - by way of off-the-cuff example, would people recognise "bier" as quickly as they would "beer"? There must be more to decoding than simply length, I would have thought.
I'm sure you're right, nothing seems straight-forward when studying the mind - and the brain is rather good at filling in the gaps when letters have been left out of words, suggesting a grasp of shape. But as a First Year Practical we were given common words, no foreign ones or emotive ones (swear words) or spelling mistakes and the results showed a clear correlation between the length of the word and the time taken to process it. There is also a very fast transient type of memory ("Iconic") (Practical 2) that may help the brain remember the start of a word by the time it gets to the end of it. Anyway we're going off thread - the speed of Thought is slower than the speed of Light and slower than the speed of Fantasy.
 

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How on earth is that picture proof of anything? All I saw was a blurred image of something with an equally blurred circular shape in the lower left corner.

I'm sorry, but that picture is far from convincing.
Then why does this not apply to what NASA have shown in their early pictures?

You still do not get the point.

Regardless if what you can or cannot see by the inferior structure of my picture it is clearer and BETTER that that taken by the NASA astronauts on their space mission. Anyone can see that the pictures are identical irregardless of their purity.

The point that I was putting across was:-

I have contained a picture which is identical in structure but better in quality which resembles identically to one taken by NASA. Assuming that both pictures depict the same area (which you have avoided answering) then it has to show that the picture that I had provided, must have been taken from a space craft through the absence of horizontal satellite lines.

Irregardless the truth is there and the lines and dots synchronise in the exact the manner that shows the truth.

Believe what you like, but then ypu will need to validate your reasoning to thousands of other pictures taken by NASA.

So what do you see here 'gerhard1' ?



https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/13/18308652/katie-bouman-black-hole-science-internet

Go and tell science that there is nothing there as it is a blurred picture of a doughnut.

Ahhh...that is different because they are respectable.

Tell us why this is NOT proof of a Black Hole as all you can see is a blurred image.

So what Mr 'gerhard1' is telling me/us, is that it is not what you have what counts but WHO you are!



 
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So what Mr 'gerhard1' is telling me/us, is that it is not what you have what counts but WHO you are!
Well, yeah, because when you have dedicated your life to 12+ years of rigorous university study and, more importantly... peer review (Peer review is super-important. Here is a link that will explain why), and then gone into a professional life where you have dedicated your life to obtaining reliable and repeatable experimental results and following the most rigorous scientific methodology you can, based on international best practice, the individuals involved have actually bothered to really engage with the information at the deepest level possible. Now compare that to most amateurs, or worse, actual frauds, and you can see why the academics are skeptical.

Now I won't say that there isn't a bit of professional jealousy involved, and the astronomers and physicists aren't protecting their professional territory like a medieval guild privilege, but they also guarantee us a much higher and more reliable measure of quality than the amateurs. More importantly, the professional academics have generally replicated their results multiple times, and anyone following in their footsteps can achieve the same results. Very few amateurs ever do that, but that is not the same as saying that no amateur scientists do that, for example, here is a short list of some very famous and successful amateurs: Famous amateur scientists link.

The main thing that I rely on academics for is to ferret out frauds via peer review.

As to the black hole photo, once you come to terms with how amazingly difficult even that "blurry photo" was to take, is seems miraculous. For a start, black holes are black, and space is black, so there's that. Then you have the issue that black holes swallow even light. Then there is the issue of the incredible distances involved. The fact is that the glowing part is merely the light particles being sucked into the black hole, and in fact the, black part in the middle, which is the actual black hole is not blurry, and would normally be completely invisible.
 

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Well, yeah, because when you have dedicated your life to 12+ years of rigorous university study and, more importantly... peer review (Peer review is super-important. Here is a link that will explain why), and then gone into a professional life where you have dedicated your life to obtaining reliable and repeatable experimental results and following the most rigorous scientific methodology you can, based on international best practice, the individuals involved have actually bothered to really engage with the information at the deepest level possible. Now compare that to most amateurs, or worse, actual frauds, and you can see why the academics are skeptical.

Now I won't say that there isn't a bit of professional jealousy involved, and the astronomers and physicists aren't protecting their professional territory like a medieval guild privilege, but they also guarantee us a much higher and more reliable measure of quality than the amateurs. More importantly, the professional academics have generally replicated their results multiple times, and anyone following in their footsteps can achieve the same results. Very few amateurs ever do that, but that is not the same as saying that no amateur scientists do that, for example, here is a short list of some very famous and successful amateurs: Famous amateur scientists link.
That's as nicely put as I've seen.

I think the amateurs sometimes have a couple of advantages - they're not overly weighed down with the need to have an underlying mechanism for a theory or the need for falsifiability - these are valid constructs, but sometimes they are an obstacle to asking 'What if...?" then just trying things out (in a rigorous and organised way) just to see what happens.
 

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Or perhaps you and maybe all the scientists in the world who are going to debumk the subject.

I was taught at a young age so I have not grown cynical with the subject. It means that I can write and be trained by them.

When I was young, I had nothing. No education, money, home or life. It meant that I was 'easy fry' and a 'has been'

Now I have money, education 4 houses and the drive in me to fight all the oppression as to change lives. Who else can do what I do?

I have now have power in my finger tips and create waves both hypothetically and physically.

Where are these failed scientists who have nothing, but instead search for life under rocks on Mars??
What has SETI done???

Let them be counted against me to what I have done. I have pictures of them, their craft and even areal photographs better than NASA's

We started our UFO group back in 1966 together with Frank **** a famous author and a psychic.

I had learnt a great deal from Frank over the years especially when I was younger and he could do what I could not. I asked him why a super race of aliens should want to bother with a load of kids like us.?

His answer was because we were/are young and our minds have not been brainwashed. I was told that they we had exceptional learning ability and would be trained further. Frank and Pete have children and their children are also being driven by their parents, Frank is a famous writer and can influence the world plenty . If I was an alien, I too would choose someone like myself. I too have provided publications and my work has been broadcast on prime TV.

Look at the drive in me....the resilience and the strive.
How many members are there here? Most will be forgotten as time goes on. I will not be.

I will always be that crazy so and so who is going to make people think.

Now tell me what science has done apart from destroying the phenomena?

Show me the great minds that have succeeded where I have failed, as the 'wheel is still in spin' ?

If I were them....I would say:- "Behold...we have chosen wisely"
That was an ...interesting post.....but it didn't address my original point/question in that why would aliens contact you?
Of all the people they could contact,,..from all walks of life and cultures and education levels...why you?
BTW.....I'm not 'debunking' anything...merely asked some questions which so far you have failed to answer.
 

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I would also ask what 'Prime TV 'show you were on and what your name is as mentioned on that show? If this is public info you should have no problem informing us of this.
 

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Is there apple in that donut?

Maybe they haven't found us because they are too thick
Just noticed the thread being a recent discussion, thought about it and wondered, if their first awareness was picking up a, 'reality TV, show' broadcast, they might conclude, 'too primitive for contact'...
 

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But transient phenomena like UFOs are much more difficult to study.
Very true......and if they are real space aliens then they probably don't want to hang around long in one place.
But I have always had a problem with the whole idea of intelligent aliens not openly saying hello (the so-called 'prime directive' is a human idea and sci-fi and there's no reason to think it applies to other species...) Why travel light years to earth (and sentient space travelers are probably few and far between) just to flit around scaring farmers and their livestock and doing the odd apparently absurd abduction? Why not simply say hi to the human race openly and then move on if they think we aren't ready? They don't have to engage beyond that and certainly they know we can handle a visit since our cultural memes are full of alien entertainment, etc. It would not seriously affect our culture imho (though that could be a good topic for discussion) nor would they have anything to worry about from us since they could just leave.
So if they have come and or are here...why are they not openly saying hello?
 

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I have the feeling that we are being cultivated like a crop or as cattle. Perhaps for some form of genetic experiments, or perhaps for harvesting our dopamines.
Well...let's speculate then. Why would aliens..who no doubt have a completely different genetic structure (I don't buy into the similarity theories), be interested in human dna and or 'dopamines'? What kind of 'crop'....and cattle in what manner?
btw..as a side jokey comment the greys don't seem to have teeth or an anus...so what are they eating?
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I have the feeling that we are being cultivated like a crop or as cattle. Perhaps for some form of genetic experiments, or perhaps for harvesting our dopamines.
I certainly find it a believable follow on - IF and only IF it's a situation in the first place.

I'll add Rumsfeld's comment on the Unknowns

There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know. So when we do the best we can and we pull all this information together, and we then say well that's basically what we see as the situation, that is really only the known knowns and the known unknowns.
 

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As pointed out by almost all exo-biologists in articles I have read human genetic material ,etc would be useless to aliens including as food...it quite literally could kill them or make them sick...so again what would they want with foreign non alien material?
Now....if one postulates that we are their 'progeny' in some manner then of course our gene material could be similar.

Following up on some speculation....perhaps the reason we have not been contacted openly is that they have not been here to do that..and the ufo enigma is 'something else'.
 

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Well...let's speculate then. Why would aliens..who no doubt have a completely different genetic structure (I don't buy into the similarity theories), be interested in human dna and or 'dopamines'? What kind of 'crop'....and cattle in what manner?
btw..as a side jokey comment the greys don't seem to have teeth or an anus...so what are they eating?
;)
How do we know they don't have similar DNA? We don't.
Harvesting dopamines as a crop so they can get high. Drugs!
The greys... I get the impression that these are organically engineered robots, working for some other type of alien. They have no need to eat, they probably inject it all. A Russian account of an alien who crash landed described an absence of organs in the body cavity. No trace of a digestive system.
 

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How do we know they don't have similar DNA? We don't.
Harvesting dopamines as a crop so they can get high. Drugs!
The greys... I get the impression that these are organically engineered robots, working for some other type of alien. They have no need to eat, they probably inject it all. A Russian account of an alien who crash landed described an absence of organs in the body cavity. No trace of a digestive system.
Unless they used their dna to make us which again is pure speculation then there is no doubt our dna would not the be the same..at least according to science. Unless you can explain it in some scientific manner..? And again dopamines are a human thing..there is no reason to assume it would have any effect on aliens. ..more pure speculation but with no support....if we are going to play this game it must have some basis in something or we might as well just make up anything we want.
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If one is going to assume they want us for the above stated reasons then we are going to have to also assume they are related in some manner.....otherwise they would have no use for our materials.
 
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