Why Haven't Aliens Contacted Us Yet? (Fermi Paradox)

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Well, yeah, because when you have dedicated your life to 12+ years of rigorous university study and, more importantly... peer review (Peer review is super-important. Here is a link that will explain why), and then gone into a professional life where you have dedicated your life to obtaining reliable and repeatable experimental results and following the most rigorous scientific methodology you can, based on international best practice, the individuals involved have actually bothered to really engage with the information at the deepest level possible. Now compare that to most amateurs, or worse, actual frauds, and you can see why the academics are skeptical.

Now I won't say that there isn't a bit of professional jealousy involved, and the astronomers and physicists aren't protecting their professional territory like a medieval guild privilege, but they also guarantee us a much higher and more reliable measure of quality than the amateurs. More importantly, the professional academics have generally replicated their results multiple times, and anyone following in their footsteps can achieve the same results. Very few amateurs ever do that, but that is not the same as saying that no amateur scientists do that, for example, here is a short list of some very famous and successful amateurs: Famous amateur scientists link.
That's as nicely put as I've seen.

I think the amateurs sometimes have a couple of advantages - they're not overly weighed down with the need to have an underlying mechanism for a theory or the need for falsifiability - these are valid constructs, but sometimes they are an obstacle to asking 'What if...?" then just trying things out (in a rigorous and organised way) just to see what happens.
 

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Or perhaps you and maybe all the scientists in the world who are going to debumk the subject.

I was taught at a young age so I have not grown cynical with the subject. It means that I can write and be trained by them.

When I was young, I had nothing. No education, money, home or life. It meant that I was 'easy fry' and a 'has been'

Now I have money, education 4 houses and the drive in me to fight all the oppression as to change lives. Who else can do what I do?

I have now have power in my finger tips and create waves both hypothetically and physically.

Where are these failed scientists who have nothing, but instead search for life under rocks on Mars??
What has SETI done???

Let them be counted against me to what I have done. I have pictures of them, their craft and even areal photographs better than NASA's

We started our UFO group back in 1966 together with Frank **** a famous author and a psychic.

I had learnt a great deal from Frank over the years especially when I was younger and he could do what I could not. I asked him why a super race of aliens should want to bother with a load of kids like us.?

His answer was because we were/are young and our minds have not been brainwashed. I was told that they we had exceptional learning ability and would be trained further. Frank and Pete have children and their children are also being driven by their parents, Frank is a famous writer and can influence the world plenty . If I was an alien, I too would choose someone like myself. I too have provided publications and my work has been broadcast on prime TV.

Look at the drive in me....the resilience and the strive.
How many members are there here? Most will be forgotten as time goes on. I will not be.

I will always be that crazy so and so who is going to make people think.

Now tell me what science has done apart from destroying the phenomena?

Show me the great minds that have succeeded where I have failed, as the 'wheel is still in spin' ?

If I were them....I would say:- "Behold...we have chosen wisely"
That was an ...interesting post.....but it didn't address my original point/question in that why would aliens contact you?
Of all the people they could contact,,..from all walks of life and cultures and education levels...why you?
BTW.....I'm not 'debunking' anything...merely asked some questions which so far you have failed to answer.
 

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I would also ask what 'Prime TV 'show you were on and what your name is as mentioned on that show? If this is public info you should have no problem informing us of this.
 

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Is there apple in that donut?

Maybe they haven't found us because they are too thick
Just noticed the thread being a recent discussion, thought about it and wondered, if their first awareness was picking up a, 'reality TV, show' broadcast, they might conclude, 'too primitive for contact'...
 

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But transient phenomena like UFOs are much more difficult to study.
Very true......and if they are real space aliens then they probably don't want to hang around long in one place.
But I have always had a problem with the whole idea of intelligent aliens not openly saying hello (the so-called 'prime directive' is a human idea and sci-fi and there's no reason to think it applies to other species...) Why travel light years to earth (and sentient space travelers are probably few and far between) just to flit around scaring farmers and their livestock and doing the odd apparently absurd abduction? Why not simply say hi to the human race openly and then move on if they think we aren't ready? They don't have to engage beyond that and certainly they know we can handle a visit since our cultural memes are full of alien entertainment, etc. It would not seriously affect our culture imho (though that could be a good topic for discussion) nor would they have anything to worry about from us since they could just leave.
So if they have come and or are here...why are they not openly saying hello?
 

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I have the feeling that we are being cultivated like a crop or as cattle. Perhaps for some form of genetic experiments, or perhaps for harvesting our dopamines.
Well...let's speculate then. Why would aliens..who no doubt have a completely different genetic structure (I don't buy into the similarity theories), be interested in human dna and or 'dopamines'? What kind of 'crop'....and cattle in what manner?
btw..as a side jokey comment the greys don't seem to have teeth or an anus...so what are they eating?
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I have the feeling that we are being cultivated like a crop or as cattle. Perhaps for some form of genetic experiments, or perhaps for harvesting our dopamines.
I certainly find it a believable follow on - IF and only IF it's a situation in the first place.

I'll add Rumsfeld's comment on the Unknowns

There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know. So when we do the best we can and we pull all this information together, and we then say well that's basically what we see as the situation, that is really only the known knowns and the known unknowns.
 

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As pointed out by almost all exo-biologists in articles I have read human genetic material ,etc would be useless to aliens including as food...it quite literally could kill them or make them sick...so again what would they want with foreign non alien material?
Now....if one postulates that we are their 'progeny' in some manner then of course our gene material could be similar.

Following up on some speculation....perhaps the reason we have not been contacted openly is that they have not been here to do that..and the ufo enigma is 'something else'.
 

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Well...let's speculate then. Why would aliens..who no doubt have a completely different genetic structure (I don't buy into the similarity theories), be interested in human dna and or 'dopamines'? What kind of 'crop'....and cattle in what manner?
btw..as a side jokey comment the greys don't seem to have teeth or an anus...so what are they eating?
;)
How do we know they don't have similar DNA? We don't.
Harvesting dopamines as a crop so they can get high. Drugs!
The greys... I get the impression that these are organically engineered robots, working for some other type of alien. They have no need to eat, they probably inject it all. A Russian account of an alien who crash landed described an absence of organs in the body cavity. No trace of a digestive system.
 

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How do we know they don't have similar DNA? We don't.
Harvesting dopamines as a crop so they can get high. Drugs!
The greys... I get the impression that these are organically engineered robots, working for some other type of alien. They have no need to eat, they probably inject it all. A Russian account of an alien who crash landed described an absence of organs in the body cavity. No trace of a digestive system.
Unless they used their dna to make us which again is pure speculation then there is no doubt our dna would not the be the same..at least according to science. Unless you can explain it in some scientific manner..? And again dopamines are a human thing..there is no reason to assume it would have any effect on aliens. ..more pure speculation but with no support....if we are going to play this game it must have some basis in something or we might as well just make up anything we want.
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If one is going to assume they want us for the above stated reasons then we are going to have to also assume they are related in some manner.....otherwise they would have no use for our materials.
 

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Unless they used their dna to make us which again is pure speculation then there is no doubt our dna would not the be the same..at least according to science.
Well, there is the problem. That 'science' is just as much a speculation as what I have proposed, because those scientists haven't got access to alien DNA.
 

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Well, there is the problem. That 'science' is just as much a speculation as what I have proposed, because those scientists haven't got access to alien DNA.
No...no speculation in that....any species that didn't not evolve here would not have the sane dna ...period.
Only if it was shared in some manner.
 
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