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Your Thoughts On The Beliefs Of Secret Societies?

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Hi Frideswide,

Yes many are different, i could show that two thirds of American Presidents have been members of various secret societies if you wish, we could start there if you like to examine them, i will give links etc.
However it doesn't mean that they aren't linked.
 
Archaeoastronomer said:
I'm looking for your thoughts on what mostly are the beliefs of Secret Societies, do you think they have ancient Egyptian beliefs, or any other you could think of?
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There is much in the way of esoteric nonsense and conspiracy attributed to some of the larger organisations, when in truth their origins are mundane and aspirations largely charitable.

However.... that's a generalisation and there are many variables, often within any one society.

The best ones are those where you meet up regularly, as an excuse to get rollicking drunk.

Your local Fortean Society would be a good place to start.
 
I have some questions :twothumbs:


* you have a specific idea of what a secret society is?

* How do you adjust your data gathering for the rather fanciful (fake) origin stories of these things?

* to what end are you researching this?

* isn't a secret society that we know about not-really-secret?

* if there are real secret societies, why would be able to penetrate their secrecy?

Humanity seems to have an innate need to form cliques.
 
Chinese secret societies had either political, criminal or religious purposes, and very often, the three motives intermingled. And they obviously did not care about Egypt. Yet I think they stand as a good entry point to this topic.

Crime and politics :

The "Triads" or "Heaven and Earth Society" (天地会) were originally meant to overthrow the Qing emperor, who was of Manchu origins, by a native Chinese (Han) emperor, preferably of Ming ascendency. So, according to what we know of their foundational myths, they were a secret political organisation aiming at revolution. And indeed, the Triads did participate in some uprisings in Southern and central Guangdong at the beginning of the 19th century. But somewhere along their way to "revolution", they became a kind of Chinese mafia, like other contemporary secret societies, like the Gelaohui (哥老会) or the Qingbang. So they ended up as a criminal organization.

We could or could not perceive the same kind of evolution in some Western secret societies like the Sicilian Mafia or the Napolitan Camorra. Although their origins are not clearly established, some historians do claim that they started as organizations of local autonomy in opposition or collaboration with weak States.

Unsurprisingly, wether you want overthrow a government or to earn easy money, secrecy is a major asset. That explains the existence and orientation of several secret societies.

Politics, religion (and sometimes business) :

Secret societies have also been a common means to promote one's political or religious beliefs in an authoritarian environment without risking one's life. Selecting cautiously the people you admit into your brotherhood allows you to spread your influence without too much of a hassle, and helps you to develop an acting network. If my memory is correct, that's typically the original motivation of the Illuminati of Bavaria.

An efficient network is also a great booster for your carreer. Before the invention of Linked'in and the likes, being a freemason could really help you. In the democratic France of the 20th century, many high profile politicians and journalists, joined the freemasonry (and publicized it) as you would join a gentleman's club because it provided them with a network and a place where they could debate about politics in a friendly environment.


"Social security" :

Some Chinese secret societies often share this kind of business oriented origin. Many such secret societies actually started as help networks for migrant workers. Migrant workers would gather by province of origin and put their ressources in common to achieve their goals. Those who were successful could reinvest their profits into their organization and help late-comers in exchange for an exalted position within the group. As everybody there would come from the same province or activity (there were some societies dedicated to ex-soldiers), the organization would be closed to "strangers" and some behaviours and rules would be established to distinguish "brothers" from unwanted intruders, hence the secret.

Since the late 1990s, a whole new field of studies has emerged about "Martial Studies" (sociology and history of the martial arts) and some very interesting books have been published about the social usage of traditional martial arts schools in China before 1949.

Traditional martial art schools were very much similar to Chinese Secret Societies. And actually, many Chinese secret societies and "brotherhoods" put a strong emphasis on martial skills, hence the "Boxers" of 1901, or the "Eigth Trigram Society" rebellion of the late 19th century. What sociologists say about martial arts schools is that they played a very important social integration role at the lower strata of society, giving many destitue and celibate men moral codes and a perspective of social recognition (as they could rise within the ranks of their school through skill and "morality"). This is only a theory, but it could also help to explain some secret societies in other parts of the world.

Religion alone :

Religion and cults would be my last guess at the purpose of secret societies. In Ancient Greece, there had been an upsurge of "Mystery Cults", from the Mysteries of Eleusis for Demeter, to those of Dyonisos. So apart from the ritualistic and "social" religion of the Greeks stood a whole current of mysticism that put a heavy emphasis on initiation and individual transformation, with a graded approach towards the divine / wisdom.

Contemporary secret societies may not perpetuate the Mystery Cults of the past, but they have inherited this approach to individual "progress" through codified steps or initiations. And why wouldn't they since this approach is still commonplace in some established religions like Tibetan Buddhism, for instance ?

Of course, many will claim to follow ancient wisdom, but in most of the cases I suspect this is essentially a marketing trick. How is it, for instance, that Egyptian ancient wisdom suddenly pop's up everywhere in mystical groups only after the 18th century and the rediscovery of the Egyptia civilisation ? Such a phenomenon is even more striking with modern "druidism". It completely disappeared from historical sources for thousands of years, and then God knows why, all of a sudden, there are druids again when Antiquarians start surveying the countryside and its standing stones. What a coincidence !

That would be quite a paradox : why would a society meant to remain secret work so hard on a marketing trick to appear fashionable ? I have two hypothesis : (1) most were not so secret as they meant to be, (2) being exotic and fashionable is a great means to retain your members. And like in religions, the more fantastic your tennets, the harder you could trust your members to remain faithful.

If you introduce ideas gradually and under the seal of secrecy, it will be easier for you to get your disciple to your adopt craziest theories. For instance, if someone comes to me and tells me "Lo and Behold, the ultimate Truth as the face of a Rotten Tomato", I would probably explode into laughter. But if I am first admitted in a group of friendly people, valued as a member, and progressively introduced to the high nutrional value of tomatoes, to the glorious symbolism of the red colour, and, painful initiation after painful initiation, led to understant that indeed, planet Earth itsel is a revolving tomato, blue because of the generative power of its putrefaction, I might finally delight in the final revelation.
 
I thought how i would start was with looking at how many but not all secret societies align the stars.
This is done either at midnight, previous sunset or sunrise on day, there are 4 cardinal points, Due North, South, East along horizon or West along the horizon.
I deal with two stars being Sirius and Alnilam, Belt of Orion, and days are chosen to align to these points, usually you would think this would give 24 days (12 days for each star) that they could align in 365 days, as the Sun appear's to travel around the zodiac approx. one degree a day and i use a tight margin of one degree.
However stars can double up on some days therefore we get 22 days out of 365.

Below is the House of the Temple:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_the_Temple.

There are three dates however two of them are the same date 4 years apart, therefore i will only be showing the earlier date as it would show the same alignment.
On May 31st 1911 ground breaking took place, ancient Greek day marker was used, this means sunset before calendar date, so May 30th, you will see below that Sirius sets with the Sun at location:-

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/wr5bd9f2a3.png

The Cornerstone of The House of the Temple was laid on October 18th 1911, the building was finally finished on October 18th 1915 with a dedication, i will only show graph for earlier date as the later date would only show the same.
Midnight day marker was used when Sirius was rising along eastern horizon at location, astronomy graph below:-

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/vo5bd9f2d4.png

I'm not picking on America, as mostly this can be found in many countries, and seems intentionally aligned, Sirius is Isis and Alnilam centre star of the Belt of Orion is Osiris in ancient Egyptian philosophy.
Most of Washington DC is aligned to these stars, as i will show in time.

I was wondering if this was Hermetic beliefs:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism
 
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Marking the day by the three points of sunrise, sunset or midnight on the 4 directions isn't anything new, it has been practiced sinc e ancient Egyptian times as shown below being called paranatellonta:-
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10705808/

I will start with the American Declaration of Independence, being on 4th July 1776 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Ancient Egyptian Sun rise day marker chosen, Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris star was the heliacal rising star.
Astronomical graph showing this below:-

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/az5bce06fa.png
 
The building you are referring to is a masonic temple, Scottish Rite. Therefore, it has its own lore as to why it was built the way it was, when it was. It uses the lore of the Temple of Solomon, not the Egyptian tradition and so using a Dynastic Egyptian lens to interpret is ultimately futile, IMHO.
 
Ascalon said:
The building you are referring to is a masonic temple, Scottish Rite. Therefore, it has its own lore as to why it was built the way it was, when it was. It uses the lore of the Temple of Solomon, not the Egyptian tradition and so using a Dynastic Egyptian lens to interpret is ultimately futile, IMHO.
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Hi Ascalon,

The Freemasons who follow Hiram Abiff follow your quote, however some esoteric Freemasons who follow the Regius Poem that feel they originated in Egypt and follow ancient Egyptian astrology beliefs, links to the split below:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiram_Abiff
https://www.masonrytoday.com/index.php?new_month=4&new_day=30&new_year=2019
 
I will show an alignment for 1st January 1801 in London that become the Prime Meridian in Greenwich, Sirius was culminating at midnight.
On 1st January 1801, the Union Jack was born, "The Union Flag shall be azure, the Crosses saltire of Saint Andrew (Scotland) and Saint Patrick (Ireland) quarterly per saltire, surmounted by the Cross of Saint George", link below:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom
The joining of Great Britain came into being on 1st January 1801, link below:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_of_Great_Britain_and_Ireland
I will show Sirius culminating at midnight by Paran in London, the seat of
Government later in this report.
The Parliament in Scotland up to 1707 was in the suburbs of Edinburgh, link below:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Scotland
The Union with Scotland Act of Parliament took effect on 1st May 1707, please view link:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_Union_1707
The U.K. didn't adopt the Gregorian Calendar until 1752, therefore you have to add 11 days to Julian Calendar to make the astronomy accurate, so real date is 12th May 1707.
This is highly symbolic of the sun going down on the Scottish Parliament on actual day in seat of government, suburb of Edinburgh, for as the Sun set in the West so did Alnilam, Osiris star!
Astronomy graphs for above are below:-
https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ln5e80552e.png
 
Archaeoastronomer said:
Hi Ascalon,

The Freemasons who follow Hiram Abiff follow your quote, however some esoteric Freemasons who follow the Regius Poem that feel they originated in Egypt and follow ancient Egyptian astrology beliefs, links to the split below:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiram_Abiff
https://www.masonrytoday.com/index.php?new_month=4&new_day=30&new_year=2019
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Euclid was in Egypt was during the Ptolemaic period, long after Dynastic Egypt had faded.

That's a bit of a stretch. Masonic tradition does extend to the Babylonian captivity of the Hebrews, but there are no direct looks to the Pharos.
 
...Erm I wouldn’t know...after all they’re “ Secret” societies ... and therefore their beliefs are secret?...

I’ll get my coat....
 
Hi Ascalon,
There are masonic groups that follow Egyptian and Hermetic beliefs which started during the Plolemac period, please note i'm looking at beliefs not reality:-
https://milwaukeefreemasonryformenandwomen.com/halliwell-manuscript-or-regius-poem-c-1390/
Albert Pike is buried in the House of the Temple which is aligned to Sirius, three times, and he wrote about Sirius and it's meaning in his book "Morals and Dogma":-
Quote:-
"
p. 15


[paragraph continues] Divine Providence, is also fanciful; and to make it commemorative of the Star that is said to have guided the Magi, is to give it a meaning comparatively modern. Originally it represented SIRIUS, or the Dog-star, the forerunner of the inundation of the Nile; the God ANUBIS, companion of Isis in her search for the body of OSIRIS, her brother and husband. Then it became the image of HORUS, the son of OSIRIS, himself symbolized also by the Sun, the author of the Seasons, and the God of Time; Son of Isis, who was the universal nature, himself the primitive matter, inexhaustible source of Life, spark of uncreated fire, universal seed of all beings. It was HERMES, also, the Master of Learning, whose name in Greek is that of the God Mercury. It became the sacred and potent sign or character of the Magi, the PENTALPHA, and is the significant emblem of Liberty and Freedom, blazing with a steady radiance amid the weltering elements of good and evil of Revolutions, and promising serene skies and fertile seasons to the nations, after the storms of change and tumult.


In the East of the Lodge, over the Master, inclosed in a triangle, is the Hebrew letter YO_D [‏ו ?Y‎ or
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]. In the English and American Lodges the Letter G∴ is substituted for this, as the initial of the word GOD, with as little reason as if the letter D., initial of DIEU, were used in French Lodges instead of the proper letter. YO_D is, in the Kabalah, the symbol of Unity, of the Supreme Deity, the first letter of the Holy Name; and also a symbol of the Great Kabalistic Triads. To understand its mystic meanings, you must open the pages of the Sohar and Siphra de Zeniutha, and other kabalistic books, and ponder deeply on their meaning. It must suffice to say, that it is the Creative Energy of the Deity, is represented as a point, and that point in the centre of the Circle of immensity. It is to us in this Degree, the symbol of that unmanifested Deity, the Absolute, who has no name.


Our French Brethren place this letter YO_D in the centre of the Blazing Star. And in the old Lectures, our ancient English Brethren said, "The Blazing Star or Glory in the centre refers us to that grand luminary, the Sun, which enlightens the earth, and by its genial influence dispenses blessings to mankind." They called it also in the same lectures, an emblem of PRUDENCE. The word Prudentia means, in its original and fullest signification, Foresight; and, accordingly, the Blazing Star has been regarded as an emblem of Omniscience, or the All-seeing Eye, which to the


p. 16


Egyptian Initiates was the emblem of Osiris, the Creator. With the YO_D in the centre, it has the kabalistic meaning of the Divine Energy, manifested as Light, creating the Universe."

https://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/md02.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike
 
You have to note that i'm using two stars being Sirius and Alnilam, Belt of Orion, that can only align at location 22 times usaully in 365 days by chance.
In ancient Egyptian philosophy Sirius is Isis and Alnilam, Belt of Orion is Osiris, please note i don't have a problem with any beliefs that are peaceful, but i just study these beliefs.

Pennsylvania joined the Union on 12th December 1787, at midnight day marker at location there was a rare alignment that didn't happen again until 12th December 1870. due to the alignment of Jupiter with Alnilam on the M.C. which is Due South in astronomy.
The reason being the orbit of Jupiter is 11.86 years as shown below:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania
By the beliefs of astrology, Jupiter aligned to Alnilam would "Expand the power of Alnilam.
Graph below:-
https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/bj5c67036f.png
 
Archaeoastronomer said:
Hi Ascalon,
There are masonic groups that follow Egyptian and Hermetic beliefs which started during the Plolemac period, please note i'm looking at beliefs not reality:-
https://milwaukeefreemasonryformenandwomen.com/halliwell-manuscript-or-regius-poem-c-1390/
Albert Pike is buried in the House of the Temple which is aligned to Sirius, three times, and he wrote about Sirius and it's meaning in his book "Morals and Dogma":-
Quote:-
"
p. 15


[paragraph continues] Divine Providence, is also fanciful; and to make it commemorative of the Star that is said to have guided the Magi, is to give it a meaning comparatively modern. Originally it represented SIRIUS, or the Dog-star, the forerunner of the inundation of the Nile; the God ANUBIS, companion of Isis in her search for the body of OSIRIS, her brother and husband. Then it became the image of HORUS, the son of OSIRIS, himself symbolized also by the Sun, the author of the Seasons, and the God of Time; Son of Isis, who was the universal nature, himself the primitive matter, inexhaustible source of Life, spark of uncreated fire, universal seed of all beings. It was HERMES, also, the Master of Learning, whose name in Greek is that of the God Mercury. It became the sacred and potent sign or character of the Magi, the PENTALPHA, and is the significant emblem of Liberty and Freedom, blazing with a steady radiance amid the weltering elements of good and evil of Revolutions, and promising serene skies and fertile seasons to the nations, after the storms of change and tumult.


In the East of the Lodge, over the Master, inclosed in a triangle, is the Hebrew letter YO_D [‏ו ?Y‎ or
01500.jpg
]. In the English and American Lodges the Letter G∴ is substituted for this, as the initial of the word GOD, with as little reason as if the letter D., initial of DIEU, were used in French Lodges instead of the proper letter. YO_D is, in the Kabalah, the symbol of Unity, of the Supreme Deity, the first letter of the Holy Name; and also a symbol of the Great Kabalistic Triads. To understand its mystic meanings, you must open the pages of the Sohar and Siphra de Zeniutha, and other kabalistic books, and ponder deeply on their meaning. It must suffice to say, that it is the Creative Energy of the Deity, is represented as a point, and that point in the centre of the Circle of immensity. It is to us in this Degree, the symbol of that unmanifested Deity, the Absolute, who has no name.


Our French Brethren place this letter YO_D in the centre of the Blazing Star. And in the old Lectures, our ancient English Brethren said, "The Blazing Star or Glory in the centre refers us to that grand luminary, the Sun, which enlightens the earth, and by its genial influence dispenses blessings to mankind." They called it also in the same lectures, an emblem of PRUDENCE. The word Prudentia means, in its original and fullest signification, Foresight; and, accordingly, the Blazing Star has been regarded as an emblem of Omniscience, or the All-seeing Eye, which to the


p. 16


Egyptian Initiates was the emblem of Osiris, the Creator. With the YO_D in the centre, it has the kabalistic meaning of the Divine Energy, manifested as Light, creating the Universe."

https://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/md/md02.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike
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Fair enough.
Just a word of warning, Albert Pike is a deeply unreliably source for freemasonry as a whole, and particularly beyond US shores.
Secondly, a freemason holding an interest in hermetic traditions is not the same as freemasonry holding to hermetic traditions.

Butting out now.
 
A search on Google results in a few "Secret Societies" holding beliefs that they believe are from ancient Egypt.

And some other interesting results.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osirica


20 years ago there was a man in London called "Dr Raamses Seleem".

He taught what he claimed was an Ancient Egyptian Martial Art called "Sebekkha".

As well as various New Age type health ideas, mixed with what he claimed were traditions from the priests of Ancient Egypt.

He had an element of "Personality Cult" about him.

More on him can be found on this link:

https://www.bullshido.net/forums/fo...c/61594-sebekkha-ancient-egyptian-martial-art
 
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Hi Victory,
When the two stars of Egypt keep coming up on special days, it could be thought of as intentional at location, Sirius is the Isis star and Alnilam, Belt of Orion is the centre of the constellation of Orion associated with Osiris as Egyptian text shows below:-
I fly from you, oh men,
I am not for the earth.
I am for the sky.
I have soared to the sky as a heaven.
I have kissed the sky as a falcon.
I am the essence of a god,
The son of a god.
Behold the faithful and loving Osiris
Has come as the stars of Orion, the Beautiful One
I have come that I may glorify Orion.
My soul is a star of gold
And with him
I will traverse the sky forever. (Pyramid text )
 
The Pentagon's Groundbreaking ceremony was on 11th September 1941, Ancient Greek day marker, being sunset in Washington D.C., however ceremony must have happened after sunset on actual day to comply with ancient esoteric lore, within one degree at location:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon

This date is Thoth or Thout That is very Egyptian:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thout

As Sun set, the Osiris star, Alnilam, Belt of Orion was on Nadir, graph on link below:-

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ri5e77215c.png
 
@Archaeoastronomer

I don't doubt that all these events happened at times when these star alignments happened....I am not qualified to look them up, but I will go along with your information.

But what meaning do you attribute to this?

Are you claiming that the events were intentionally scheduled for these alignments?

If so, why?

I do acknowledge that some world historical events can happen at times when rare star alignments occur, and that this is not coincidence..

Here is a Devil's Advocate argument though:

Any event in world history would have a star alignment that occurred simultaneously, which could be interpreted to fit a belief system.
 
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Hi Victory,
I think that to show these beliefs we have to cluster them together that are linked, which shows a belief in Hermeticism on a high up level, where these people wait and set out events to the stars at location as they feel Sirius and Alnilam are god stars and could help them in completing tasks, this is called electional astrology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electional_astrology

But it has special beliefs that is Hermeticism:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism

I thought i would start with 9/11, however i am not getting into discussion about all other conspiracy theories, i'm just showing why the date was used, there are hermetic societies in the United States that align buildings and events to the stars, but so do others unconnected to America and probably truely take the blame for 9/11, however it is hard to tell as they all align to the same two stars..


1) The British Mandate of Palestine was a mess from day one, by the Balfour Declaration they promised Palestine to the Jews but at the same time in an effort to win the First World War and get the Arabs fighting against the the Ottoman Empire, they also promised the land to Arabs, they were between a rock and a hard place when the newly formed League of Nations gave them Palestine to govern up to when elections could take place.
The mistake was made more difficult by appointing Sir Hubert Samuel as Commissioner and Commander in Chief of Palestine, which was seen as biased, the mandate was never going to work from this point!
The Mandate wasn't LEGAL until the Oath of Office took place which was in Jerusalem on 11th September 1922, information below:-

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/qu5bc36fb2.png

President Harry Truman was the first international leader to recognise the State of Israel, which was a sore point with Arab states.
2) The Millennium being a period of one thousand years was held on the wrong Year, the Julian Calendar that came before the Gregorian one had no year Zero, it went from 1 BC to 1 AD, therefore 2001 was the real Millennium.
Secret Societies that are Hermetic love Egyptian dates, the last remnant of the great ancient Egyptian Calendar is the Coptic Calendar, the symbolism is Sirius rising with the Sun, however because now it is attached to the Gregorian Calendar to stop drift, there isn't any where on Earth where Sirius, the Isis star rises with the Sun on 11th September, which is New Year in the Coptic Calendar, called 1st of Thout or Thoth, link below;-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thout

We can imagine what the "New Years Resolution" was on 11th September 2001.
I have a great deal more to say on this, but is enough for a start!

One of the last serious attempt to create peace in Palestine was the Sharm el Sheikh Memorandum, please scroll down link to "8 Security", where this was signed on 4th September 1999, however came into effect one week after signing, making it 11th September 1999.
Like all other peace agreements, this didn't work, so someone got impatient with the on going process:-

Quote :-

"This memorandum will enter into force one week from the date of its signature.1

Made and signed in Sharm el-Sheikh, this fourth day of September 1999.

For the Government of the State of Israel - Prime Minister Ehud Barak

For the PLO -- Chairman Yasser Arafat

Witnessed by

For the Arab Republic of Egypt - President Hosni Mobarak

For the United States of America -- Secretary of State Madeleine Albright

For the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan -- King Abdullah II "

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/mid024.asp
 
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Hi Victory,

It isn't impossible to think that the main cause of 9/11 was the Palestine problem.
The main ringleader on the day was Mohamed Atta, who was born in Egypt:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta
Egypt at the time had a constitution adopted on 11th September 1971:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Constitution_of_1971


Lets try a joke, if you wanted to get rid of a Pharaoh or a King of Egypt, what day would you choose?
The ancient Egyptians used Sunrise as the start of the day, so we could use sunrise!
The Ancient Egyptians used a calendar that is alleged started with Sirius rising with the Sun or being the Heliacal rising star, a lot of mystery schools believe this, and Isis is believed to be the Star Sirius.
Nasser wanted to overthrow King Farouk in the Revolution of 1952, Government was in and still is in Cairo, so we could pick that location, so did Nasser pick the day by astrological observations?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_revolution_of_1952
On that day and location, Sirius rose with the Sun along the horizon in the East, make up your own mind, indeed we don't have to go back too far to know that states used to employ astrologers to pick days for war!
Astronomy graph below, it is accurate:-

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/hj5dc06853.png
 
Hi Victory,
The ancient Egyptian and Greek way to mark day of event is by 2 day starts, you know that midnight is included but is the most modern addition being brought forward by the invention of the clock, the ancient Egyptians used Sunrise to start the day, but there is another which i will discuss today, being ancient Greek day marker, being sunset before midnight of previous day, it is still in use today by the Jews and others, perhaps the Florentine Calendar can explain better than i can:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florentine_calendar

So there are 3 day starts to intentional belief in ancient paran astrology, then we have the four directions being True South and North, East and West by the horizon at location.
We use Sirius, the Isis star or Alnilam, centre star of the Belt of Orion and Osiris Star, this means that each star can only come up by chance in any one location 12 times in a year, 24 times when using both stars with a margin of one degree.
However it doesn't work out that way, we can loose one alignment by midnight by application of Summer time, and at least once when the two stars align together in a day, so the very most the two stars can come up by chance at any one location is 22 times out of 365 days.

Hermetic groups can be good. bad and really ugly.

Ancient Greek day marker was applied to 11th September 2001 in New York, which means sunset of previous day, when Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris star was aligned to the Nadir or True North, graph coming:-
It looks intentional:-

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/xn5dc1aac6.png
Please note there are some very good groups that follow Hermeticism so don't tarnish all by the actions of the few.
Lets go back to the British Mandate:-

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/qu5bc36fb2.png

We can see that Sir Hubert Samuel was acting as Commissioner of the British Mandate of Palestine since 1st July 1920 and Oath of Office was on 11th September 1922. It was a very biased appointment as Sir Hubert Samuel was Jewish.
So what beliefs by intention aligns SIrius/Isis and Alnilam/Osiris to location?
It would be a "Mystery School" religion called Hermeticism.

On 1st July 1920 Sir Hubert Samuel started acting as Commissioner, on that day in Jerusalem, Alnilam rose with the Sun, being ancient Egyptian day marker.
On 11th September 1922 when he had his Oath of Office that made the Mandate legal, midnight day marker was used in Jerusalem, when Alnilam was rising along Eastern horizon, graphs below:-

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/st5dc3f117.png
 
If you are claiming that there are some in positions of governmental power who might believe in Hermeticism, then it is probable.

For some to have had membership of University societies that claim to have some Ancient Egyptian and Babylonian knowledge and belief systems, whichthen influence the works of these students after they graduate?
It is possible.

But to link the relatively obscure Samuel's Oath and the Sharm El Sheikh Memorandum to the 9/11 attacks is to me highly tenuous.
 
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Archaeoastronomer said:
The Pentagon's Groundbreaking ceremony was on 11th September 1941, Ancient Greek day marker, being sunset in Washington D.C., however ceremony must have happened after sunset on actual day to comply with ancient esoteric lore, within one degree at location:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon

This date is Thoth or Thout That is very Egyptian:-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thout

As Sun set, the Osiris star, Alnilam, Belt of Orion was on Nadir, graph on link below:-

https://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ri5e77215c.png
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9/11...I never knew that.
 
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