Zoonotic Epidemics: H5N1 ('Bird Flu'), SARS, MERS & COVID-19

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Just read a book, The Beautiful Cure by Daniel M Davis, about the body's natural defences in which the author states that it is believed that japenese and chinese people have less immune defence against virus than the rest of the world (page 75&76), have not seen anywhere else though, but interesting if true.
 

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Well guess what? According to the BBC it also has a different official name for even less confusion.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51466362

The World Health Organization says the official name for the disease caused by the new coronavirus is Covid-2019.
"We now have a name for the disease and it's Covid-19," WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters in Geneva.
 

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lt’s still just bloody flu, and it’s still going to kill all of us just as much as the last ten diseases that were going to kill all of us did.

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lt’s still just bloody flu, and it’s still going to kill all of us just as much as the last ten diseases that were going to kill all of us did.

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Of course it will not kill all of us but if it is very contagious (which it appears to be) then it can still kill an awful lot of people and paralyse an awful lot of healthcare systems throughout the world. I seem to remember SARS and MERS as being a bit of a non-event (although not for the people who caught it or died) but this definitely seems to be teetering on the verge of being out of control.
 

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Of course it will not kill all of us but if it is very contagious (which it appears to be) then it can still kill an awful lot of people and paralyse an awful lot of healthcare systems throughout the world. I seem to remember SARS and MERS as being a bit of a non-event (although not for the people who caught it or died) but this definitely seems to be teetering on the verge of being out of control.
My belief is that, if it does "paralyse healthcare systems", it'll be because of the hysterical overreaction.

We don't need to be walking round in Tyvek suits with respirators; we need to remain at home, rest, take over-the-counter medication and stay hydrated. Unless, of course, you're a high-risk type (elderly, other diseases that can be potentiated, etc.) in which more care might well be indicated.

Chinese champagne corks should be popping at a flu outbreak that "only" kills 1,000 people.

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My belief is that, if it does "paralyse healthcare systems", it'll be because of the hysterical overreaction.
I don't agree. The NHS is already overstretched, especially during the winter. I am not sure what percentage of sufferers have needed hosptial admission but even if it were "only" the 3% who died, on top of an already overburdened system that can leave people lying in corridors or in the road, it could have a disproportionate effect. Then of course the healthcare workers themselves will be catching it and need time off work to recover, stretching the system even further. Just imagine all those receptionists, cleaners, nurses, doctors etc that run your local hospital all being off sick at once. Chaos.
 

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I don't agree. The NHS is already overstretched, especially during the winter. I am not sure what percentage of sufferers have needed hosptial admission but even if it were "only" the 3% who died, on top of an already overburdened system that can leave people lying in corridors or in the road, it could have a disproportionate effect. Then of course the healthcare workers themselves will be catching it and need time off work to recover, stretching the system even further. Just imagine all those receptionists, cleaners, nurses, doctors etc that run your local hospital all being off sick at once. Chaos.
Two of the most recent to test positive for the virus in the UK are GP's. And one A and E worker.
 

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lt’s still just bloody flu, and it’s still going to kill all of us just as much as the last ten diseases that were going to kill all of us did.

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School's now off til March 16. Time for a visit to the UK? Tickets are very cheap right now.
 

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Only yesterday there were reports that the number of deaths and new infections was levelling off. Now, they're reporting a sharp increase in cases. Such mixed messages are hardly likely to inspire public confidence that this is containable.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ers-hours-after-spike-in-deaths-and-new-cases
Headlines are crap.

The stories clarify that the Chinese have unhelpfully reclassified what they constitutes a 'case' and under what circumstances a death should be attributed to the virus.
 

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One our cleaners at work has just been to our local doctors with a bad cold, she was asked if she'd been in contact with anyone who's recently been to China and truthfully answered that our boss has. She's been ordered off work for now even though he's been back for a few weeks now.
 

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I was at my doctor's surgery today handing in my repeat prescription and there was a sign on the door (printed out with red text, no less) saying (I can't remember the exact wordage) but if you have recently been to China, Japan, some other places (I really didn't read it fully) then "STOP" and "DO NOT ENTER THE SURGERY".

I wonder if anyone who the sign applies to will take any notice of it, to be honest. Hopefully they do.

Is this the same at other GP surgeries? The sign on the door I mean.
 

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I was at my doctor's surgery today handing in my repeat prescription and there was a sign on the door (printed out with red text, no less) saying (I can't remember the exact wordage) but if you have recently been to China, Japan, some other places (I really didn't read it fully) then "STOP" and "DO NOT ENTER THE SURGERY".

I wonder if anyone who the sign applies to will take any notice of it, to be honest. Hopefully they do.

Is this the same at other GP surgeries? The sign on the door I mean.
My doctor has a similar sign.
 

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My belief is that, if it does "paralyse healthcare systems", it'll be because of the hysterical overreaction.

We don't need to be walking round in Tyvek suits with respirators; we need to remain at home, rest, take over-the-counter medication and stay hydrated. Unless, of course, you're a high-risk type (elderly, other diseases that can be potentiated, etc.) in which more care might well be indicated.

Chinese champagne corks should be popping at a flu outbreak that "only" kills 1,000 people.

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Yes, just basic common-sense really. All about taking precautions. And if everyone practiced some basic hygiene it would be a good start (Not just with this Wuhan flu thing but at anytime).

One of the pet hates in the Zebs household is when we're out and about (shopping or what have you) and people walk around coughing and sneezing without even bothering to cover their mouths. So basically we just get coughed on by complete strangers who are suffering from who-knows-what.

I don't know if it's a peculiarly British thing, or if the problem happens in other countries too, but it is damn annoying.
 
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Yes , but you can enter the practice if you have been stood next to someone who "might" have been to an "affected" area - how would you (or they) know ?
It's all just crossing fingers and trying to keep folk calm - because it's all they can do really.
 
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One of the pet hates in the Zebs household is when we're out and about (shopping or what have you) and people walk around coughing and sneezing without even bothering to cover their mouths. So basically we just get coughed on by complete strangers who are suffering from who-knows-what.
Another good reason to always wash your fruit and veg before eating.
 

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Yes, just basic common-sense really. All about taking precautions. And if everyone practiced some basic hygiene it would be a good start (Not just with this Wuhan flu thing but at anytime).

One of the pet hates in the Zebs household is when we're out and about (shopping or what have you) and people walk around coughing and sneezing without even bothering to cover their mouths. So basically we just get coughed on by complete strangers who are suffering from who-knows-what.

I don't know if it's a peculiarly British thing, or if the problem happens in other countries too, but it is damn annoying.
A woman who works in our local shop went to hand me my change today, coughed into her hand that was holding my coins then handed them to. It all happened too fast.
 

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One of the pet hates in the Zebs household is when we're out and about (shopping or what have you) and people walk around coughing and sneezing without even bothering to cover their mouths. So basically we just get coughed on by complete strangers who are suffering from who-knows-what.
That is annoying. But then, you go shopping, sneeze into your hand, then grab your trolley's handle, finish shopping, put your trolley in the car park for the next unsuspecting shopper to use. Or you sneeze into your hand, abandon your trolley, run to the toilets to wash your hands, touching door handles along the way. Or you carry sanitizer with you. Or you accept that flu viruses are going to go through the population as they've always done. I don't think there are easy solutions.
 
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