@Alan Tait Ammanford - please could you answer the question I posed upthread as to whether these noises have been recorded from elsewhere in your district? It might help to know whether it's an external problem or an internal one.
Thanks for your post and also your interest:
10 Questions to Mr Tait: (feel free to call me Alan)
(a) Have you released ALL the recordings made in your basement - or just cherry picked the ones that seemed to confirm your suspicions?
All of the original recordings are available to anyone that wants them, they were previously released via sound cloud and on google drive.
I cancelled sound cloud simply on grounds of cost.
I did choose those extracts, they are some of the clearer ones but I did chose them because I feel they seem to confirm my suspicions, my suspicion being that criminality is taking place and that the possibility of criminal activity should be investigated.
b) Have people in nearby properties also heard strange noises from below-and, if not, why do you think this was only happening at your former property?
The nearby properties are best explained with a quick visit via google earth
Approaching the front of the house you would see a row of commercial shops and buildings.
My former house was behind Sophia nails in Ammanford, to the right of Sophia nails there is an alleyway. If you were to walk down that alleyway you would come to the house.
On the other side of the alleyway is the rear of 22 College street, to the front there is a shop and the rear is a similar design to my former house.
At the time the recordings were made, 22 College Street was an empty semi derelict building.
The police did have a look inside that building but only after asking the owners permission and both sides agreeing a date many weeks in the future.
I detail what I consider to be wrong with the police investigation in my first documentary.
The documentary was hurriedly put together and the quality is not great simply because I was learning as I went along. In total it is around 2 hours long but if you want to understand why I think the police investigation inside the house and the subsequent report that relates to it is wrong, just fast forward through the other bits.
(c) What were you doing in Bulgaria prior to returning to Britain when all this began?
Enjoying life and running a small charity in a village called Nickolaevka. I moved to Bulgaria back in 2004/2005
The purpose of the charity was to reuse educational equipment that was finished with in the UK and take it to Bulgaria.
Ammanford fundraisers Bulgaria mission | South Wales Guardian
It was really good fun, I could write a new post just about those experiences, maybe one day I will.
It was in Bulgaria that I learnt what poverty actually was and how it effects some people, unless you have seen the true effects of poverty (not just told about them) then its hard to imagine. A lot of poverty could be eradicated in people just had a small shift in their thinking.
Christine and I actually invest money (if and when we have spare money) in the form of macro loans in various Countries in the World.
Simply put the load is made to someone who really needs it, they repay the loan over a long period, and then we re-lend the funds.
On average we loose 8% of our investment every year, and yes, it is a plug for the charity (but it is coming up to Christmas)
Zidisha | Alan Tait Ammanford
A fascinating thread - shame that it's such a dark one. So, let's dive in:
1. A few years back, strange noises in a basement would have been interpreted as evidence of a haunting or some kind of paranormal manifestation. Nowadays it seems that pretty much nobody, and there are some real ghost believers on this site -is proposing this as a possibility here. Interesting!
We were contacted by many ghost hunters and the like asking if they could visit the property, in the early days I said a firm no as I was of the opinion that it might be dangerous.
As time went by I re-though my approach and allowed people in to the property subject to them knowing about the noises etc.
Several did go inside the property, two of those that did appear in my latest “documentary” which was described as “awful” in a previous post.
The ghost hunters said that they did not think that the recordings were EVP’s or ghosts but of real people.
One person, Mark Vernon, visited the property and said that the activity at the property was definitely paranormal, you will still find his video on YouTube, it consists mostly of him and a couple of friends eating chips
2. The recordings. The most compelling one is the `Why, Gareth, why` one.
However, I do feel that there is a bit of aural pareidolia going on here. It reminds me very much of the brief craze for Backward Speech Recordings that existed about fifteen years ago.
The idea was that if you played someone's speech backwards you could hear what they were really thinking and feeling.
It was very entertaining but was so obviously based around suggestion and pareidolia. What the advocates heard, and encouraged you to hear, reflected their own (usually right-wing) political biases.
So some Republican Senator being played backwards would apparently say something like `It's an honour to serve` whereas Obama played backwards would be saying something like: `I love Satan`.
With that in mind...might the line be (for example) `Wipe, Graham wipe. The paint has dried` - ?( I do agree that the woman sounds to be in distress though).
Originally the noise was released in the Gloucester live article (the one that has been archived), when people sent me there ideas I listen to the recording again through noise cancelling, over the ear headphones.
I tend to agree with the majority of people who say the last three words are “the babies died” but there have been different interpretations of the first three words.
I agree with your comment about “audio pareidolia”, its an interesting subject.
3. In any case, the construction `Why (someone's name) why` strikes me as rather old fashioned and theatrical. It is more like a line from a bad TV soap opera than something someone would actually say nowadays.
I had never considered that before, I tend to agree.
Although (in my opinion) it could be a foreign women who has learnt English.
4. I am also struck by the fact that the recordings consist of short snatches of noises - not long sequences. It seems to me that this suggests that they are examples of ephemeral carried noises from elsewhere. If something below the ground were being picked up you would expect the sounds to be continuous not coming and going all the time.
When noises were recorded, the device would record for 5 hours, save the recording and continue recording. We use to leave the battery powered recorders in the property until the battery went flat, we could expect around three days of continuous recordings.
We have hundreds of hours of recordings, I posted extracts simply as an examples of some of the noises recorded, if I posted the full five hour recordings as an introduction I doubt many people would listen all the way through.
5. If there is an `underground facility` beneath that house then the practical implications involved are mind-boggling. Just stop to think about it for a moment. If the bunker has been there a long time - then there would be mention of it in the records in a local reference library for sure.
It is documented that over two and a half miles of road were laid inside the nearest coal mine, by local historian, Mr Terry Norman
Ammanford Colliery and Betws Colliery (ic24.net)
In addition , there is a bus station opposite the house that in years gone by had two underground toilets.
Around the corner is Margaret Street, it was the site of a WW2 shelter during the war
If it has been recently created - then it would have to have been dug out of the ground. How would anyone do that in a built up area without being noticed?
I believe that a tunnel was constructed fairly recently, we documented this in our first documentary.
To the other side of 22 College Street, is John Francis estate agents.
They state (in a letter) that the owners of 22 College Street carried out work at their property, when they did the walls shook, a very loud noise was heard and on one occasion the plaster fell from the wall.
I heard those noises, they were extremely loud.
I have been on building sites and in my opinion, some form of demolition hammer was being used over an extended period.
By extended period I mean many months, on one occasion the noise was very loud, I went out to see where it was coming from, the ground underneath my feet in the alleyway was literally shaking.
The damage that was caused that day is detailed in a surveyors report together with many pictures in the first documentary.
I have many more photos if anyone wants them.
There would also have to be an entry point to the bunker where people could enter and leave without detection. It would possibly have to have catering facilities of some kind there. At the very least it would need lighting. All of this would be very hard to arrange in a suburban area without people knowing about it!
I have been contacted by someone who says that they were an ex-miner, they stated that there was an air shaft from the mine very close to my house.
I have searched local records but I can find no mention of it.
6. Have children and adults been reported missing in the locality recently? If there are children and adults enslaved (or whatever) down there then somebody will have noticed their absence. Have there been any reports of this?
I researched this at the time, then I started wondering about it, could it be the case that the people heard were illegally brought into the UK?
I could find no reports locally that were relevant.
7. Drug production, enslavement and systematic child abuse seems like an odd mix of crimes. I am not aware that these normally go together. iI seems to me that any serious criminal would not want to complicate things by committing multiple crimes at one time.
Agreed, I have often wondered about that, various people have put forward different reasons for the noises, my position is that the noises and other events are unusual and should be fully investigated.
Personally I think that when a policeman fakes a document, the very next question that should follow, is why the document was faked and on whose authority?
It is documented that I sent a single text message to one of the owners of the house next door (I did), but why did it warrant two officers being sent to my house immediately?
After that the two officers came back, sat me in the back of a police car for around 15 minutes, they told me I had to attend a “voluntary” interview or I would be arrested, I attended the voluntary interview and no charges were made.
I made a complaint and was given most of the paperwork that related to the incident.
In those documents that were heavily redacted, it shows that there was no complainant.
The officers concerned would have 100% got away with their actions if I had not discovered how to un-redact the document.
I still have all the paperwork, anyone that wants a copy is welcome to it
8. The OP's website is an enviably successful one. It is telling a lot of people what they want to hear - viz that there are foreign criminals beneath our very feet producing drugs and (inexplicably) torturing babies while they're about it. In times of economic uncertainty Simple and Scary wins every time.
I respectfully disagree, the website is only successful if it results in a proper investigation in to what happened, we have been investigating this matter for over three years and sold our house to be able to continue our investigation.
There is nothing for sale on our website, nothing that requires money, this is about something other than money.
9. All that said, I do think that the police should investigate this matter. They should do so if only to put people's mind at rest. And there is an outside chance that there is something bad going on - although on a smaller scale than the Tait's believe.(This begs the question of what exactly the police are supposed to do, however!)
Please look at the material I have provided and feel free to ask any questions that you have, I try to reply to everybody
Apologies, my reply was a bit long
Thanks for posting
Best regards
Alan