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They Fuck You Up, Your Mum & Dad

Another home ed conspiracy theory: the department of education (or whatever it is called this week) knows perfectly well that education otherwise than in school has been traditionally referred to as home education in this country. So why have they suddenly started calling it home schooling?

It was only the headline that used that phrase. In the text of the article it is called 'Home Education'.

But nit-picking about phraseology doesn't address the real problem:

"A child practice review found that the boy had no direct contact with agencies such as doctors, nurses and teachers from the age of 13 months."

Perhaps a Home Education Register is a good idea. If all children on it had to be visited once or twice a year, there would be far less chance of them becoming 'Invisible' like this.
 
It's absolutely staggering that a child could die of scurvy in this day and age. Especially considering that vitamin C is so readily available.
 
It was only the headline that used that phrase. In the text of the article it is called 'Home Education'.

But nit-picking about phraseology doesn't address the real problem:

"A child practice review found that the boy had no direct contact with agencies such as doctors, nurses and teachers from the age of 13 months."

Perhaps a Home Education Register is a good idea. If all children on it had to be visited once or twice a year, there would be far less chance of them becoming 'Invisible' like this.
No, it's not just this article's headline, it's common in both government pronouncements (and, as I say, they really should know better) and in media coverage generally, whereby the journalists are probably just cribbing from whatever government guidance they have been given, rather than doing what journalists ought to do and researching the story themselves. It's not just nit-picking, it's actually a genuinely useful indicator: if a story talks of home-schooling in a UK context, the writer has a fundamental lack of knowledge of the subject, so take whatever is written with a pinch of salt. (Not that the august readers of this forum would do otherwise with anything they read, I'm sure ;))

Secondly, a home education register is a terrible idea. It greatly enlarges the haystack within which the needles are sought. I repeat, the powers are already available to social services to demand to see any child, schooled or educated otherwise, if there are concerns (as there apparently were in this case). If social workers have to visit everyone on a list, simply because they are home educated - even though the article states that home education is not by itself a risk factor - then it takes resources away from the cases that do need investigation and the children that do need support.

What would be a far, far better idea would be to ensure that social service departments understand the law and the powers open to them, and act upon concerns that have been voiced, rather than trying to vilify an entire section of society exercising a legal right in the attempt to deflect attention from their own shortcomings :mad:
 
Be awkward for travellers though. Just sayin'
How so? I tend to agree, but your last two words raise a question mark for me over whether we're coming at this from the same direction.
 
I thought we had a thread along these lines, but Search turns up nothing. If there is one, please move this:
Boy's scurvy death prompts home-schooling register call
By India Pollock BBC News

Wales should have a register of all children educated at home, says a report into an eight-year-old boy who died from scurvy.
Dylan Seabridge became ill at his family's isolated farmhouse in Pembrokeshire and died in 2011.
A child practice review found that the boy had no direct contact with agencies such as doctors, nurses and teachers from the age of 13 months.

His parents disputed the findings of an inquest conclusion of scurvy.
The independent review report has called for the Welsh Government to introduce a compulsory register of home-taught children.
Author Gladys Rhodes White said that the current legislation is in "stark contrast" to the Welsh Government's commitment to the UN Convention of the Rights of the Child.

The report acknowledged that parents have the right to educate their child at home rather than at school, and that home education was not in itself a risk factor for abuse or neglect.
But it stated that there was potential for children to become 'invisible'.

The review claimed that in the case of Dylan Seabridge, the family was isolated from mainstream universal services and that it "could be argued he was not having the opportunity to have his basic human rights met".
"He was not routinely having access to play, leisure, sporting and cultural activities along with friendships and age appropriate socialisation. When he encountered health problems he was not given the right to appropriate health care," the report said.

The review said it appeared that the child's emotional and physical wellbeing had been compromised.
"His parents had parental responsibility and a duty to provide appropriate care, including the need to seek medical attention for his health needs. This did not happen," it added.
Parents Julie and Glynn Seabridge, from Dolau in Eglwyswrw, were charged with neglect but the Crown Prosecution Service dropped the case in 2014, and not guilty verdicts were entered.
The parents also disputed an inquest ruling that their son died from scurvy, a rare condition caused by lack of vitamin C. They said they did not believe he had scurvy and thought he was suffering from growing pains.

The report said they chose not to engage with the child practice review, and it was "their strongly held view that the review should not go ahead".
It emerged earlier this year that concerns were raised about Dylan more than a year before he died.
Education officials visited the Seabridges but they were not allowed access to the home, and they had no power to see Dylan.

"It is particularly poignant that in conducting this review we have no sense whatsoever of this child. Who was he, what did he like, what were his thoughts and aspirations?" added Gladys Rhodes White.
"There is a total lack of information on him other than very limited glimpses gleaned from the information presented by the family.
"It is tragic that there are many references that the child was 'invisible'."

Responding to the report, Welsh Government officials said the findings would be carefully considered.
"This is a very sad case and it is vital everyone working with children and adults learn lessons from the review," a spokesman said.
"This will include us looking at our guidance across the public services and the third sector to see if there are areas we can change and improve."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-36746094

"They fuck you up, your mum and dad..."

This thread:

http://forum.forteantimes.com/index.php?threads/they-f-ck-you-up-your-mum-and-dad.13361/
 
How so? I tend to agree, but your last two words raise a question mark for me over whether we're coming at this from the same direction.
I can only judge on the basis of those seen on TV but there appears to be a tendency for female travellers to leave school early when barely literate and remain so, which doesn't seem altogether right to me.
 
I can only judge on the basis of those seen on TV but there appears to be a tendency for female travellers to leave school early when barely literate and remain so, which doesn't seem altogether right to me.

Trouble is you get called racist if you point this out. SJWs claim its part of Traveler Culture.
 
Trouble is you get called racist if you point this out. SJWs claim its part of Traveler Culture.
Shouting it down as racist is the easy way out - SJWs take this way out as rational argument fails very quickly. I thought that in the UK sex discrimination was illegal? I'm not aware of any cultural loop-holes. Do they exist?
 
Shouting it down as racist is the easy way out - SJWs take this way out as rational argument fails very quickly. I thought that in the UK sex discrimination was illegal? I'm not aware of any cultural loop-holes. Do they exist?

I don't think so.

I oppose racism and discrimination towards Travelers but if any settled person kept their children out of school in that manner then they would be prosecuted.
 
I have strong doubts that the best way of engaging with people, whatever their cultural background, and encouraging changes in attitudes is by imposing coercive visits once or twice or year. That's not how to go about building positive relationships.
 
I oppose racism and discrimination towards Travelers
As do I, but I also sexual discrimination and if (as an example) this thing is part of someone's culture, I'd suggest that's not a defence in law and never should be. Otherwise, every minority is free to set it's own rules and then cry "racism" when charged with a crime.

One can make an argument that allowing 'cultural sanctioned' law breaking for a segment of society will increase discrimination against that segment, not reduce it.
 
Shouting it down as racist is the easy way out - SJWs take this way out as rational argument fails very quickly. I thought that in the UK sex discrimination was illegal? I'm not aware of any cultural loop-holes. Do they exist?
In terms of education law, it's nuanced - there's a good summary here of the law as it pertains to home education in England (Scotland and Northern Ireland have different arrangements). Last paragraph is key in the context of this particular discussion. Essentially, the verdict seems to be that a suitable education should enable the child to participate in their own community, and also to leave that community and not be disadvantaged. So I read that as acknowledging the importance of culture, but nonetheless precluding actual loopholes.

Sean Gabb said:
The relevant legal wording was settled in section 36 of the Education Act 1944:

The parent of every child of compulsory school age shall cause him to receive efficient full-time education suitable:

(a) to his age, ability and aptitude, and

(b) to any special education needs he may have, either by regular attendance at school or otherwise[emphasis added]

This wording was carried unchanged into section 7 of the Education Act 1996.(10)

The legal meaning of the words "suitable education" was clarified in the case of Harrison & Harrison v Stevenson on an appeal brought in 1981 in the Worcester Crown Court. In this case, the Judge defined a "suitable education" as one such as

1. To prepare the children in life for modern civilised society, and

2. To enable them to achieve their full potential.(11)

In the subsequent judicial review case of R v Secretary of State for Education, ex parte Talmud Torah Machzikei Hadass School Trust (1985), Mr Justice Woolf held that:

Education is 'suitable' if it primarily equips a child for life within the community of which he is a member, rather than the way of life in the wider country as a whole, as long as it does not foreclose the child's options in later years to adopt some other form of life if he wishes to do so.
 
No wonder Search couldn't find this thread (They f*ck you up your Mum and Dad) - there are four 3-letter words in the title; it won't find f*ck or fuck; the two other 4-letter words are They and your - hardly distinctive! And yet the phrase itself is distinctive.

Search needs a serious tweak. The obvious thing would be to allow 3-letter words, especially as many abbreviations on this MB are 3-letter ones; MIB, BVM, ABC, UFO, etc...

Perhaps the Modly persons could discuss the possibilities amongst themselves?
 
Before you post those holiday pictures on Facebook, you might first want to get your little darlings’ permission.

An 18-year-old Austrian woman is reportedly suing her parents for posting almost 500 pictures of her online without her agreement, many of which she found embarrassing.

The unnamed teenager told Austria’s Die ganze Woche magazine that, when she was 11, her parents had posted pictures of her from all stages of her life – something she discovered three years later when she joined the social network.

“They knew no shame or limits,” she said. “Whether I was sitting on the potty or naked in my crib, my every step was recorded photographically and, afterwards, made public.”

The young woman from the Carinthia region told the magazine that the photos were visible to 700 Facebook users linked to her parents’ account. She said her parents refused to delete the pictures when she asked, a refusal that prompted her case for breach of her right to privacy and data protection rights. ...

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...est&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_digest
 
Well, my kids can be grateful that I've posted hardly any of their pics online.

But that policy may change if they don't stop ignoring me... :twisted:
 
I've got an ace picture of my niece ... but uncle Swifty won't be posting it to respect her privacy .. (she was 21 the other day, she was wearing a cool hat but that's all I'm willing to tell ... other than when I set up a photo of us together when she was a toddler, we were both standing in blue bell flowers) :) .. my big sister tells me her kids adore me but I think that's just a cunning ruse to get me to slow down on the booze .. and her kids adore me because she has just discovered I'm "The crazy one in the family" ... she was cool enough to laugh when I told her to step back because "That's my job!" ..

I reckon she'll be running the family soon, I've already told her that ..
 
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A 43-year-old German man has been rescued from a house in Bavaria after apparently having been held in isolation by his parents for the past three decades.

“We still don’t know exactly for how long the man has had no contact with the outside world and … whether or not he was allowed to leave the property at all,” a police spokesman told German media. “But we can say he was held in isolation.”

The man is said to have been in an unkempt state, with ingrown toenails and smeared in his own excrement, but was not undernourished.

Neighbours in Freienfels, northern Bavaria, raised the alarm after reportedly hearing the man moaning. Police raided the home and found the man, whom they took to a regional hospital where he is being treated. Doctors there said they believed he had learning disabilities.

Police said the man had been to primary school and had started secondary education, but at about the age of 13 experts had declared him unfit for school.
 
Philip Larkin ‏@philiplarkin 8 Oct 2015
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This is serious, could have been fatal.

A four-year-old boy has been admitted to hospital after he was given holistic medicine to ‘cure’ his autism, doctors have warned.

Doctors writing in the British Medical Journal have appealed to parents of autistic children to avoid the potentially dangerous treatments and urged them that rather than ‘curing’ autism, such medication could put children at risk of serious harm.

Doctors Catriona Boyd and Abdul Moodambail say they treated the child, who has not been named, after he was admitted to hospital with vomiting, constipation and weight loss. After doctors examined him they found him to be suffering from hypercalcaemia, an abnormally high level of calcium in the blood, as well as a high level of vitamin D.

Days after he was admitted to hospital, his mother admitted a naturopath had told her to give the boy holistic supplements to treat his autism, including camel milk and silver. The doctors wrote: “Several days into his admission his mother disclosed that for a number of months he had been taking 12 different holistic supplements recommended to the family by a naturopath to help with his autism. ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...tic-treatment-to-cure-condition-a7348671.html
 
This is serious, could have been fatal.
Thanks for posting this. Lots of autistics, individually and joined in groups are trying to raise awareness and find ways of stopping this.

It feels like Canute and the tide however......
 
Thanks for posting this. Lots of autistics, individually and joined in groups are trying to raise awareness and find ways of stopping this.

It feels like Canute and the tide however......
Sadly, there's no current cure for being that far up your own ar$e you think a charlatan, sorry 'naturopath', can 'cure' autism.
 
he was admitted to hospital with vomiting, constipation and weight loss. After doctors examined him they found him to be suffering from hypercalcaemia, an abnormally high level of calcium in the blood, as well as a high level of vitamin D.

This puzzles me; well actually it baffles me. Your child (YOUR CHILD!!!!!!!!!) is admitted to hospital with these symptoms and the doctors are baffled - to coin a phrase......

... but it takes you DAYS to tell them what you've been doing? Maybe this should be on the WTF thread o_O:mad::(:cry:
 
Brazilian police have rescued a man who neighbours said had been held in captivity by his own family for more than 20 years.

The 36-year-old was found by chance during an unrelated anti-drug raid in a poor area of the city of Guarulhos.

Police said he was malnourished and had signs of mental health problems.

Neighbours said he was an outgoing student who was regularly beaten by his stepmother before he suddenly disappeared when he was 16.

He has been identified as Armando Bezerra de Andrade. He was taken to a local hospital in the south-eastern city and police said he was unable to talk.

Pictures of the room where the man was found showed only a bed and a dirty toilet. Reports said the walls had chains.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-37761282?ocid=socialflow_twitter
 
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